Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[Olgaline]

You don't have to be butthurt because your countryman.

First of all Heed your own advice, secondly at least try to actually read/comprehend whats being posted/said

 

[CorNokZ]

If you think football is dominated by cash, you should look into F1. Alonso and Button combo will take in more than any combo Kevin would be a part of. Manufacturers only look at the greens

 

[Olgaline]

"Kmag or another youngster" Yeah, right. That's the first I've heard of "or another youngster".

They have one more test driver on the team, wait, you didnt know that..right? another facepalm your way perhaps`?

 

[Olgaline]

If you think football is dominated by cash, you should look into F1. Alonso and Button combo will take in more than any combo Kevin would be a part of. Manufacturers only look at the greens

I do not doubt that

 

[caLLous]

They have one more test driver on the team, wait, you didnt know that..right? another facepalm your way perhaps`?

Of course they have test drivers, all of the teams do. I meant it's the first I've heard from YOU in this thread about another youngster. You've not put forward any other "youngsters" apart from Magnussen so I don't know why you're suddenly pretending that you had anybody else in mind to partner with Alonso when all you've been saying in this thread is "it should be Kmag he's amaaaaazing".

And how come you're agreeing with @CorNokZ when I said the same thing about 10 minutes ago?

 

[Olgaline]

@caLLous at the race track

He voted for the BNP, supports the EDL and cried himself to sleep every night while the scotts talked about indepencence.

 

[Olgaline]

Of course they have test drivers, all of the teams do. I meant it's the first I've heard from YOU in this thread about another youngster. You've not put forward any other "youngsters" apart from Magnussen so I don't know why you're suddenly pretending that you had anybody else in mind to partner with Alonso when all you've been saying in this thread is "it should be Kmag he's amaaaaazing".

And how come you're agreeing with @CorNokZ when I said the same thing about 10 minutes ago?

Thats either the dumbest thing I've read for a while or a really pour attempt at a troll......still undecided... ... ...

 

[caLLous]

Feel free to elaborate. Was the fact that teams have test drivers supposed to be some sort of revelation?

 

[Olgaline]

Ok I'll bite.

Lets recap what I've said:

CoRn: Button/Alonso good choice.
Olga: Disagree
CoRn: Why?
CaLL: UKFOREVER!
Olga: well, Boullier/Dennis prefere young/old, I agree
CoRn: But button was better, and better Q's
Olg: nah, Kmag's Q's were better
CaLL: I SAID UKFOREVER FFS!!!!!!!!
CoRn: Ok, but he didnt make much of it
Olg: Aye, Button is better, still think Kmag did well, still think young/old is best though, not sure Mclaren think Button can be top 3-5, must be why they hired Alonso
CaLL: F.U. UKFOREVER!!!
CoRn: F1 isrun by $$$
Olg: I believe you
CaLL: FU FUFUFUFUFUFUFFUFUFUFU
So basicly a discussion between CoRn and myself with some random shouting from CaLL

 

[CorNokZ]

My head hurts to much to get anymore into this now.

 

[caLLous]

Ok I'll bite.

Lets recap what I've said:

<really bad recollection of events>

Notably you've omitted the bit where I said Magnussen was a great driver and has a future in F1 and the bit where I said that the manufacturer's goal is money and qualifying doesn't mean anything if you can't convert the starting position into points.

I don't know when me trying to find reasons for them not choosing Magnussen turned into me being a BNP/EDL member but whatever floats your boat I guess.

And yeah I'm done with this... whatever it is. None of this changes the fact that Magnussen lost out. I'm sure he will be back though.

 

[Olgaline]

I don't know when me trying to find reasons for them not choosing Magnussen turned into me being a BNP/EDL member but whatever floats your boat I guess.

I didnt, I did however take offence at the idea that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on mclaren's choice and situation, simply due to sharing a nationality with the driver that lost out.
your aproach to my disagreeing with Corn was pretty much seen as following from my perspective: Step one: Accuse, step two: re-accuse, step three: make some weak reference, step four: attempt at ridicule.
I never said it had to be Magnussen, ofcause I'd like it to be, but that wasnt at the heart of the discussion, you however seemed to want to insist on it being so with the likes of

"Kmag or another youngster" Yeah, right. That's the first I've heard of "or another youngster".

If your going to go into an argument, at least try to keep it civil, or accept that your counterpart may resort to your own aproach. me calling you a BNP supporter was diliberate on my part to drive home how silly your own line of argument was - hopefully it worked, seems so tbh. = thus no facepalm

Notably you've omitted the bit where I said Magnussen was a great driver and has a future in F1

I do not recall questioning your opinion on Magnussen? I did however commet on your argument that:

The question boiled down to whether Magnussen was the right driver to be the the youth part of the "youth/experience setup" and they evidently didn't think so.

That's simply incorrect, and stands to me more as an attempt of justification/defence of Button, who's talents I personally never questioned to begin with.

 

[Bodhi]

Going by results this season Button was the better choice. Really can't blame Mclaren for choosing the better driver now. K mag is one for the future.

 

[Olgaline]

I do belive however, and yes that's just an opinion, a guess if you will, that all of this started with Mclaren questioning if Button truely still had a top 3 in him,
My guess is they werent confidant enough of that, so when the chance presented it self to get Alonso, they jumped at it. Magnussen's results or "lack there of"
most likely had nothing o do with the choice of bringing on Alonso. Thus they were faced with a choice, Eric Boullier and Ron Dennis had one solution Honda and Ojjeh another.
Thus why it dragged out and took so long.

 

[caLLous]

I didnt, I did however take offence at the idea that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on mclaren's choice and situation, simply due to sharing a nationality with the driver that lost out.

OK I apologise for the "because danish" line (even though it was tongue in cheek but you weren't to know that) but I still think your opinion is flawed and that Button is the better choice (because statistics).

Step one: Accuse, step two: re-accuse, step three: make some weak reference, step four: attempt at ridicule.

That's just bollocks though.

I never said it had to be Magnussen

My point was that all the while, before the decision was made, you wanted Magnussen and then after Button was announce, it was suddenly "Magnussen or another young driver".

That's simply incorrect,

No, it's not. Otherwise, Magnussen would've been announced as Alonso's partner. Ron Dennis isn't a moron. He's a slimey bastard but he's not a moron. If Magnussen was the right choice, he would have a drive for next year. They're keeping him on as their official test driver anyway so they obviously see that he has potential.

 

[Olgaline]

If Magnussen was the right choice, he would have a drive for next year. They're keeping him on as their official test driver anyway so they obviously see that he has potential.

That's the question though, and especially how you define it. And sure, he's not a moron, but he's also bound by his shareholders and partners.

, you wanted Magnussen

Ofcause I did, I still do. However, surely that dosn't justify negating me from putting foward an informed argument or theorizing on the issue without having to face scrutinisme and ridicule?

It's funny though, no one in the british press (or here) had any issues with Kmag's performance...until Buttons seat was suddenly in danger But hell, Kmag should be proud, the simple fact that he performed well enough to even question Buttons position is a statement to his season and performance?

 

[Olgaline]

Oh, and you'd suck Eriksen's Cock given the chance, so FO

 

[Raven]

Hamilton won sports Personality of the year.

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[caLLous]

You win something and you're English, you automatically have a personality. See: Andy Murray and Chris Hoy.

Though to be fair Hamilton has more personality (whatever that is in the eyes of the voters) than those 2 combined.

 

[DaGaffer]

Actually, I met Chris Hoy a couple of weeks ago and he came across as a pretty decent bloke with a good sense of humour.

I notice the golfists in the press are narked about Hamilton winning over McIlroy. Some fairly shameful editorials in the Guardian and the Torygraph

 

[Jupitus]

I was fairly confident LH would get the SPOTY vote, but not certain at all. I think many on the list have done very well, but with F1 amongst the highest watched sports globally coupled with his Championship win being recent and the subsequent blast of publicity LH had it pretty much handed to him.

If it was LH of a few years ago I'd have been a bit 'meh', but in fairness I believe he has matured and is a solid representative for the country in sport these days and a deserved winner.

 

[ECA]

Funny how successful black people bring out the hidden racists.

 

[Raven]

My brother inlaw has met him a load of times (He works for the Merc F1 team) and says he is actually a nice bloke, he was really good with my nieces too. He just comes across and monumentally dull though. Though I guess that is better than being an utter twat.

 

[Jupitus]

Funny how successful black people bring out the hidden racists.

Eh? Oh - you referring to the articles from journalists, as I didn't read them... ?

 

[DaGaffer]

My brother inlaw has met him a load of times (He works for the Merc F1 team) and says he is actually a nice bloke, he was really good with my nieces too. He just comes across and monumentally dull though. Though I guess that is better than being an utter twat.

I would imagine spending your formative years working for a total control freak like Ron Dennis would ensure you're going to be uber-bland in front of the cameras. It's the McLaren philosophy.

 

[Bodhi]

You win something and you're English, you automatically have a personality. See: Andy Murray and Chris Hoy.

Though to be fair Hamilton has more personality (whatever that is in the eyes of the voters) than those 2 combined.

Except for the fact neither Murray nor Hoy are English, I entirely agree.

 

[caLLous]

Well done for spotting my err... deliberate mistake that um... nobody else spotted.

 

[Bodhi]

Seriously tho I can see the argument for McIlroy as he did win 2 majors, and become pretty much the best golfer in the world, whereas where Hamilton had a superb season and he beat Ze German in his own team, he also had the best car by a country mile. I also wonder if Rory's decision to play for Ireland in the Olympics was a factor in them picking Lewis.

Both would have been worthy winners imo.

 

[caLLous]

Maybe Hamilton got it because he lost out to Hoy the first time he won the Championship.

 

[Corran]

Met Hamilton, is a good bloke even if he tries to break bones when you shake hands!

But yeah, dominant car, beat his team mate and rest didnt matter. What goes in his favour? He started on the backfoot, had to come back. Was taken out by his teammate, had to come back, won it in the last race. Happened very close to the voting thus was fresh in mind.

But must say winning back to back majors, relying on your own ability alone (clubs are minor difference, he done well with at least 2 manufactures) etc is a great accomplishment.. quite possibly puts him ahead of Hamilton but thats the thing with public voting or any voting infact... normally the most deserving doesn't actually get it.