@ The Crau Duellers

[Coldbeard]

Yes apparently it's way more fun to play when RandomCoastGuardScout #34, and RandomCoastGuardScout #354 are there to help you out

Rather have RandomCoastGuardScout #34, and RandomCoastGuardScout #354 than RandomNavalore, RandomNavaloreFriend #51, RandomNavaloreFriend #86 and the rest of the rr8-rr9 brehon in the head people.

To be honest!

 

[Puppet]

DC is a crap place to solo, way way to many adders and rangers camping every guard and bridge, I stopped bothering with it long ago. HW or odins is best bet.

I think they are pretty equal. Except if you are doorstepping you are back faster, and in most cases the home-realmmember aint the one dying.

HW has perma 5+ assassins who are RR8+ who will add on everything, *if* they see you fighting. Odins has a bunch of warlocks which most mortals cant survive. And Emain has a handful rangers/casters. Same story everywhere

 

[Talivar]

I dont find 1 on 1 dull or skilless it certainly took more skill than old style assist train fgs. oh the skill i can /assist /sstick /spam best style!.
In a 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 if some1 adds least if u win it was all down to you and your char. And to the ppl saying 1 vs 1 is just a matter of who dumps most then isnt all rvr that?, a lot of fg fights are won/lost on total ammount of ppls arts/mls/charges ect used.
Stop being so false and ffs just admit you dont like 1 on 1 fights or u dont enjoy watching them,instead of spamming all this rubbish excuses and making a ping pong game of blame.

 

[Shike]

I dont find 1 on 1 dull or skilless it certainly took more skill than old style assist train fgs. oh the skill i can /assist /sstick /spam best style!.
In a 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 if some1 adds least if u win it was all down to you and your char. And to the ppl saying 1 vs 1 is just a matter of who dumps most then isnt all rvr that?, a lot of fg fights are won/lost on total ammount of ppls arts/mls/charges ect used.
Stop being so false and ffs just admit you dont like 1 on 1 fights or u dont enjoy watching them,instead of spamming all this rubbish excuses and making a ping pong game of blame.

actually, if opponents are equal in templates and such, its all down to random proccs and available timers.. which do make it a tad dull in the longrun.

 

[Talivar]

True odd times u get ppl with same skill lv and same temps bit its rare cus normally 1 or the other are less patient and dont time there abilties ectThankfully for me atm i still sook so all fights good

 

[ebenezer]

actually, if opponents are equal in templates and such, its all down to random proccs and available timers.. which do make it a tad dull in the longrun.

True many times it become like a chess match if its very equall
But its still something a knowledgeable pplayer have the chance to come out on the winning side on.
So those fights can be exciting as well imo.
But in long run dueling gets very tedius, on other hand its been really shitty lately...so im happy if i get 5 fights a day or so...rest of time i spend chatting to guild/other soloers etc
eb.

 

[Vodkafairy]

it's not fun to duel the same guys over and over again, that's why sitting in a circle to duel gets real boring real quick. soloing on a shade is pretty diverse because you get to kill casters real quick with pa chain, quite a few stealthers out which are always very fast-paced fights, and the soloers you can prepare to take down with enough preparation and right timing.

being a visual soloer without speed, well, that's just horrible. you get steamrolled all the time and when you aren't, it's just a long wait for that one person to jump you. it's sooo passive. atleast with a speedclass like battlebard in OF or currently vampiir you get to hunt people, which is more then half the fun of soloing (for me anyhoo)

also the reason i don't have much motivation to play scout, it was nice to 'prove' that melee scouts aren't the gimps people like to think they are, but the only thing they can really fight is those guys who wait around for a duel all day long. fun at start, boring eventually. scouts need to be able to compete with assassins (as base class, not by ability dumping, just nerf all the actives for all i care) and with casters. i think they should get parry spec but keep the same amount of specpoints, and beef up bow spec so it's actually effective against casters again. but that's a whole different story

 

[ebenezer]

Sometimes i really wish i had a templated stealther vodka
Yesterday actually made me scream in frustration and even make nightsend think i was whiny
I didnt get any fights for several hours, none jumped me and the few that came were low rr or was chased off by zergs.
The suddenly i get jumped by Acaen(sp?) and dmoscus after a hug. I was a bit slow and suprised but got upper hand on both after a moose and some wakening up....an add took acean suddenly and dmoscus jump into water and swims away on like 10%.
I got all up except moos this time and was just gonna finnish him.
He vanish.....i screaaaam. He suddenly shows up and stuns me before i use ip and dies

Second fight that night....( even more frustrated by this time)
Im gonna rest at tower quickly and get some coffee, and have absolutely nothing up, used against an inc zerg earlier.
Nightsy get added and i rush out to see if i can at least help him.
Caminoaa( or something quite high rr stealther) jumps out miss her PA on me.
Im like hmm...gonna loose this ofc. But hey...its like the only fight in 4 hours!
I jump in and get upper hand quite quickly. She is almost dead.....i step back to not kill her. She attacks and stuns me and takes me out before i recover

I spend remainder of that evening trying to find her again...but ofc she never jumped me again!!!!
Ok...that is a typical night for my hero lately. Are you other visuals having this much fun

PS: wanna thank all the fg that spared me lately, both mids/albs Never got this much love from fgs before. Yo bad i dont get more fights hehe
eb.

 

[Jorof]

All the so called crau duellers are hipocrites tbh ... i used to love rvr in hibland ... but every time i get a good 1v1 some retard either shears the person im fighting or heals me ... Or some random tank adds on my fight

Question : if you dont like it why do you do it yourself ?
example - yesterday a ranger attacked and zephyrd me, u pop and attack me whlie im still zephyrd, im clearly already fighting someone and you add?

For those that care, i killed him and the ranger used speed to run to the tower after i was beating him :worthy:

 

[Littles]

Sometimes i really wish i had a templated stealther vodka
Yesterday actually made me scream in frustration and even make nightsend think i was whiny
I didnt get any fights for several hours, none jumped me and the few that came were low rr or was chased off by zergs.
The suddenly i get jumped by Acaen(sp?) and dmoscus after a hug. I was a bit slow and suprised but got upper hand on both after a moose and some wakening up....an add took acean suddenly and dmoscus jump into water and swims away on like 10%.
I got all up except moos this time and was just gonna finnish him.
He vanish.....i screaaaam. He suddenly shows up and stuns me before i use ip and dies

Second fight that night....( even more frustrated by this time)
Im gonna rest at tower quickly and get some coffee, and have absolutely nothing up, used against an inc zerg earlier.
Nightsy get added and i rush out to see if i can at least help him.
Caminoaa( or something quite high rr stealther) jumps out miss her PA on me.
Im like hmm...gonna loose this ofc. But hey...its like the only fight in 4 hours!
I jump in and get upper hand quite quickly. She is almost dead.....i step back to not kill her. She attacks and stuns me and takes me out before i recover

I spend remainder of that evening trying to find her again...but ofc she never jumped me again!!!!
Ok...that is a typical night for my hero lately. Are you other visuals having this much fun

PS: wanna thank all the fg that spared me lately, both mids/albs Never got this much love from fgs before. Yo bad i dont get more fights hehe
eb.

I attacked you yesterday, you blew all and looks like you were gonna win but we will never know as i was nuked down. The joys.

Killing a solo specced decent RR hero as a infiltrator is a challenge. In order to stand a good chance you really need to have purge, haste, dot mine and battler up which isn't to often. The fact we goto hit you for like 4k+ damage when you hit as hard if not harder than us probably makes most infs think "i can't be bothered to attack him". Same gos for all the solo specced crush BM's. You have tailored your chars to killing assasins so shouldn't really be suprised if we choose not to attack you. Ill be honest ill give most a crack but generally leave Nightsend alone as he not only hits like a truck but will drop your end in seconds. Just attacked him now though as needed a shower and both died which was funny

If i were to fight you guys the way i think i should i Would PA kite you but then would get no end of whines if i did that and it is pretty lame i guess so dont do it.

 

[Zoia]

being a visual soloer without speed, well, that's just horrible. you get steamrolled all the time and when you aren't, it's just a long wait for that one person to jump you. it's sooo passive. atleast with a speedclass like battlebard in OF or currently vampiir you get to hunt people, which is more then half the fun of soloing (for me anyhoo)

That's the part i like with my skald as well. To hunt.
Just running around and hopefully get the jump on people. Maybe get chased by 2-3 guys, then sprint around and split them up so i can get one, then come back for the other(s). Things like that.
It's nice that people don't add, but when you end up in a circle and people stand there and beckon eachother, it does get boring after a while.
These kinds of duels were fun in the old days, when they happened like once a month in front of atk in Emain late at night.

It's ok for my zerker though, as it doesn't have speed and is lower RR.
I think the reason we have so much duelling these days, is because of the limited space people can find others.
The zerg is in one zone with iRvR and the rest hangs around the bridges in the other 2 zones. There's no reason to go anywhere else.
You then get quite a few soloers all in the same small area. They don't like to add on people, so they stand and watch and the circle begins to grow.

In OF you could go to Odin's. Atk and htk were quite far apart and people were spread out over almost the entire zone.
I blame the design of NF. This whole bridge, portal, docks crap is all designed wrong.
It was fun when Agramon was new and people went there to explore. Gave me some more places to run around and hunt.
Maybe it will be better for a month or two when the next expansion gets here and people are running to Agramon again.

 

[ebenezer]

I attacked you yesterday, you blew all and looks like you were gonna win but we will never know as i was nuked down. The joys.

Killing a solo specced decent RR hero as a infiltrator is a challenge. In order to stand a good chance you really need to have purge, haste, dot mine and battler up which isn't to often. The fact we goto hit you for like 4k+ damage when you hit as hard if not harder than us probably makes most infs think "i can't be bothered to attack him". Same gos for all the solo specced crush BM's. You have tailored your chars to killing assasins so shouldn't really be suprised if we choose not to attack you. Ill be honest ill give most a crack but generally leave Nightsend alone as he not only hits like a truck but will drop your end in seconds. Just attacked him now though as needed a shower and both died which was funny

If i were to fight you guys the way i think i should i Would PA kite you but then would get no end of whines if i did that and it is pretty lame i guess so dont do it.

Aye ur fight i didnt even mentioned as you were nuked. Quite confident i would have won that one anyways as you didnt have any tricks left and i was still over or like half hp bar left
Even so as i told you before you are one of the very few who ever won against me while i have all up etc. I also got purge two now which i didnt have before.....and that was prolly ur chance when you won the first time, since i been running without any det/purge at all for like ages
Now with that its gonna be even harder^^
But its not up all the time...and if i meet you with all down you have a good chance to kill me as you prolly will have all up
But as you say its very hard for a stealther to beat a solo tank( any tank i would say) that have a decent template and know how to use it.
Still some give very good fights and the most challenging ones versus stealthers have been when i have nothing up.

Another stealther that mostly put up a very good fight is pilskaft....i mostly win but i have to use many toys to stand up in the end.

That keep me on my toes
Anyhow...keep jumpin me
ow and btw nydini...i frappsed all my fights since like a few months back..so found a few morebof hour older fights, i did fight you a lil earlier also...but couldnt remember those
Eb.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Tic = easy mode meleer too i spose?
Armsman = easy mode, they get plate
reaver = easy mode as they get lifetaps and banelord

hmmm.. anything other then a stealther count? If merc isnt melee what is it?

Just spotted the 1 question mark...
And y... dont put mercs/zerkers/bms (but especially mercs since they got DT) in the same grp as all other meleers. Its just wrong.

 

[Raven]

there are ways (for a hero/warrior at least) to lock a mercs damage down for the duration of DT, RR5 abilities. though ofc for the hero you do get hit sometimes, if you want to be really boring you can always engage too, not really met any really tough solo mercs in a long time.

 

[Perf]

Reason I take my Heroine (Shedevil) around lookin for 1v1/ 1v2 fights is basically to get used to fighting her against diferent opponents, and have to say I enjoy it aswell

Theres a few enemies now that I have a real blast fighting against because its alway a close fight, Nux is one and there a several others which always make me happy to fight win or lose.

i feel sorry for any caster that would like to duel and cant, but i dont think casters in general are able to because of the way they are designed, so if there watching all that potential rp sitting about /beckon /hugging everone and theres no enemies anywhere for them to kill or if they not able to get a grp and go roam around i cant really blame them for not blasting ppl to bits. After all at the end of the day we all want to get more rp's for better abilities etc.

If they feel content with doing this then so be it, myself I dont think I would. On the other hand I run in a grp prolly 50% of my rvr play and do whats expected of me there, if the group roams an comes across enemy running solo or standing about then i join in. I think most ppl would have the same attitude. Like wise if certain players i fight 1v1 are in grp and kill me when i solo i dont have no probs with that at all, (as long as i get a /hug)


Shedevil Heroine.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

and you are a meleer? right, cb stun imunity - grapple - nuke

Y..its a pity thane aint got mls...besides the v situational Power Leak and Grapple...So y...since i am not doorstepping i will use almost anything to kill a strong enemy (that has too used MLs) or some1 that has taken the opportunity to attack me soon after a battle when i am not full health or other abilities up.

 

[Void959]

Agree with VF. Playing a soloer in the full sense - roaming around widely, fighting all types of classes, taking on soloers and duos, sometimes more, avoiding, hiding from and running from and FGs and zergs in between - is a hell of a lot more enjoably then playing a dueler who is simply interested in a string of 1v1 melee duels against the select few classes they don't perceive as lame.

Both casters and meleers can be fun for solo but if you really do want to play just a dueler then a caster is not a good choice as the fights will usually be very one sided.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Agree with VF. Playing a soloer in the full sense - roaming around widely, fighting all types of classes, taking on soloers and duos, sometimes more, avoiding, hiding from and running from and FGs and zergs in between - is a hell of a lot more enjoably then playing a dueler who is simply interested in a string of 1v1 melee duels against the select few classes they don't perceive as lame.

Both casters and meleers can be fun for solo but if you really do want to play just a dueler then a caster is not a good choice as the fights will usually be very one sided.

Ofc...but thats what usually happens. Dueling circles r v rare..when u just walk up and beckoning an opponent. Hence the title is a little off

 

[Arumos]

its nice to take my merc/inf to dc once in a while for some fights but it does bore me quite quickly also, so tend to roam elsewhere. prefer fights v multiple enemies aswell (merc especially)

 

[Raven]

i actually wish some of the lower RR people would gang up on me, its not fun splatting someone low RR which is why i will leave them alone, if they want a fight 1v1 vs they are more than welcome to try but i wont attack them

 

[Corran]

why are you spewing out some old news in your posts corran? it doesnt make you look smart, only retarded: what you recently discovered the rest of us have known for years.

for instance: your crybaby story - you're a well known adding caster, just like panosbob and the crew. you really think any respectable soloers will let you stand and watch? paha-.-

Name all my casters that i play in RvR then (well used to).
Out of the 6 I play i bet you can only name 2 at best. You be hard pressed to get more then one of them i bet. So bit hard for you to claim to know my play style. 99% of albion dont know who some my toons are which is how i wanted it as it let me assess peoples attitudes quite nicely.

And recently discovered nothing.. not played the game in many months now thanks. Keep sprouting your crap Mr L33t boi. No idea who you are and dont give a fuck about your opinion. No doubt you just a typical young bloke that testosterone then sense.

Im merely questioning Nux's perception on what a melee class is... which slowly getting answer too.

Light tanks arent melee (in his opinion). Now why is this Nux? They only can use melee. If these toons are discarded then you got to totally discard stealthers as well (especially assassins. Duel weild + poisons make them less melee then a light tank). Better take out hybrids, good portion of their damage comes from spell based effects.

So is it just Heavy tanks that = melee toons in your books?

 

[Nuxtobatns]

The point merely in my book is that its v much easier to play a Merc/Bm/Zerker (and i will again put Merc in bold) than any other class with melee capabilities. Therefore i pointed out that u shouldnt
use a merc to tell us that melee chars r easymode and for peeps that cant really
play. Sure..as u said in your post in the merc example...its (most of the times) just a matter of pressing 4 buttons and then use maybe 2 styles while u chop your enemy in pieces (basically .. thats what is good for them...their design...choop choop). Not the case for most of the rest.

PS: if u think that assassins r just light tanks with poisons...i am out of the convertation.

 

[Punishment]

The point merely in my book is that its v much easier to play a Merc/Bm/Zerker (and i will again put Merc in bold) than any other class with melee capabilities. Therefore i pointed out that u shouldnt
use a merc to tell us that melee chars r easymode and for peeps that cant really
play. Sure..as u said in your post in the merc example...its (most of the times) just a matter of pressing 4 buttons and then use maybe 2 styles while u chop your enemy in pieces (basically .. thats what is good for them...their design...choop choop). Not the case for most of the rest.

PS: if u think that assassins r just light tanks with poisons...i am out of the convertation.

Rofl ... didnt realise it was ure thane i jumped afew times yesterday ... stlong caster thane tbh

As for ure comment Heeraw ... i was hitting u before the FZ and had no envenoms on weapons ... maybe we will get a fair fight again eh

 

[Nuxtobatns]

No more caster thane since rr5. I would like to think myself (template/ra/spec/gamestyle) as a true hybrid

 

[Tuthmes]

No more caster thane since rr5. I would like to think myself (template/ra/spec/gamestyle) as a true hybrid

Nukes still hurt

 

[Corran]

The point merely in my book is that its v much easier to play a Merc/Bm/Zerker (and i will again put Merc in bold) than any other class with melee capabilities. Therefore i pointed out that u shouldnt
use a merc to tell us that melee chars r easymode and for peeps that cant really
play. Sure..as u said in your post in the merc example...its (most of the times) just a matter of pressing 4 buttons and then use maybe 2 styles while u chop your enemy in pieces (basically .. thats what is good for them...their design...choop choop). Not the case for most of the rest.

PS: if u think that assassins r just light tanks with poisons...i am out of the convertation.

Never said that melee is easy mode. Just that it is not as "hard mode" as some people like to make out. Yes merc is easy mode against other melee people if you got your tools up, and unfortunately you normally have with the timers being so short. Miss the old days in which i was 1 of about 5 mercs that played (was told they a shit class) and when you had to really be selective when to use timers as they wouldnt be up for 30minutes. Made fights more interesting and less timer dependant. But times have changed. With all the bonus damage you can achieve now fights are cut short (no one templates enough defense to make up for the extra damage you can now get)

Neither did i say assassin is light tank with poison. Just pointed out simularities between them. If light tanks aint melee then assassins cant be really. Damage combined with the poisons means that damage is close to comparable (more so if viper and also you land PA chain). All melee classes have a set number of styles they use.
Reaver probably the one that has the toughest time in that respect in my opinion as they have alot more chains which are decent.
As pointed out a slash merc will use amy/diamond, reflection/(cant remember style name with stun), and duel shadows. Some will throw in the side style as well.
How does a stealther really differ? They use PA chain (admittingly you got to be able to position for this), use evade chain, and they spam garrote. And they use their almost anytime stun style. Not really much difference. We talking about melee here so im not going into having to switch weapons for poisons etc as that nothing to do with melee. All in all they each have a set number of chains they use and discard a high % of styles available for good reason.

From what i can see there not really much difference between the assassins and light tank. Assassin trades some damage off for more diversity (poisons+stealth &stealth styles) whereas a light tank is pure damage and they just have different play styles.. but melee is melee.

I think though we merely have some crossed wires. Your post gave me the impression that you didnt think light tanks could be classed as melee when clearly they here, whereas now it seems what you meant is they are melee class but one the easier because of their high damage output and the fact most people choice to only use certain styles... Point to note though is you use more then the half dozen styles when you throw in ml's you have to think about as well depending on enemy wereas stealthers dont really think about ml's as they only really use the mine(and mezz poison). It all swings and roundabouts as light tanks need to think about one thing to help them win vs multiple people and a stealther thinks about other things to reach same goal.
Both can kill just as quick as each other if circumstance is right but in general yes a light tank as the much better output, but doesnt make point any less, they are still a melee class even if they do have better damage potential then other melee classes (note though we all know this is for specific reasons and how designed.)

Now, im rambling on about some stuff which probably only end up confusing everyone and missing any point i trying to make so i shut up and in conclusion.

..Melee isnt as tough as people make out. But at no point did i state they easy mode. My feeling is merely that 1vs1 they "CAN" be easier then a caster in a 1vs1. But if everything in caster favour then fights are the easiest achievable within game.

..Light tanks are melee, just with high damage output that can make them easier.

..Assassins aint the same as light tanks but there similarities that mean in all respect if dont include one then you cant include the other. (playstyle a big difference though)

.. I crossed wires with Nux and half this conversation is not needed

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Indeed..but it helps time go by with this heat (40 degrees today here)

 

[Everz]

That is , theoretically - impossible. Fancy dueling my reaver who's slash, i'll knock you to 45% in 2 hits and thats without slam or levi.

Xry, "decent", rofl, seriously, peoples standards have lowered since OF, remember Pin or NP? I used to see Pin+Justin take out 2 Fg's alone, take keeps on their own, you dont see that now, they really have, calling a greek (no offence) shitnoob 'decent' is laughtable in it's own right, the level of skill in this game really has gone down, people assocociate skill with RR, you only have to group with people like Lookdaddy in respect to the reaver class to see this is a factor that isnt backed by fact, and I pity the people still playing the game the way it was played 3 - 4 years ago, respect was something different then talivar and zoia made this something that stood out, todays daoc is about something totally different.

was never around in Of times so never heard of these.. i aint never saw much of your reaver unless it was the reaver bomb in towers etc

 

[xxManiacxx]

taking a keep or killing multiple groups was 10 times easier before ToA and NF

 

[Ffade]

casters want 1vs1 fights ? :eek2: lol okey roll a melee class for that or do casterVScaster...! rolf