The Conspiracy

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

People who've never tried a minstrel before should really try one in modern RvR because really anyone who says minstrels are overpowered either haven't tried one, just don't have a clue, or are really dumb

Minstrels are insanly OPed. rr7+ minstrels are unkillable 1v1 for any stealther exeption might me infil hitting a DF who isnt purged. Anyway minstrels have around 820-830 AF buffed. Malice mainhand, battler back. Phaseshift+FZ+purge+IP+whingedhelm /use. Anyone claiming minstrels is not OPed in todays rvr ( stealther rvr mainly ) havn't a clue ! (same ppl that still cap dex in thier minstrel temps to demezz faster 4tw! )

And the self ablative is way to OPed aswell, u can easy twist it like any other song, cancel and re cast to gain 2 ablatives in 6 seconds. OPED!

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Yeh because warlocks are overpowered, the only way to balance stuff is to make stealthers overpowered... riight..

and i have killed Zeaza and alot of other warlocks. My class is fine as it is atm(yes i dont have remedy.. yet..) I dont expect to rip the inside out of heavy or light tanks and nor should it be like that.

So?, what ppl should a nightshade semi high rr who made an effort to make a temp be able to kill? RR1 skiltvaktens in RoGs?
And my point wasnt really about weather u killed Zeaza or not, i killed him a few times aswell, point was anyone who tryed to kill him will know how fkn owned u can get if he has purge up. Same goes with all casters that have moc/lt really ( not even starting on the intercept-, stunn chicken-/caba pets or 4 brittles )

And this thread is about make stealthers OPed with IP again, so get off it if you don't support it :touch:
:<

 

[Raven]

some stealthers are actually pretty good in a 1v1 situation, its usually the mouthy adding zerglings that are the crap ones

 

[Mastade]

So?, what ppl should a nightshade semi high rr who made an effort to make a temp be able to kill? RR1 skiltvaktens in RoGs?
And my point wasnt really about weather u killed Zeaza or not, i killed him a few times aswell, point was anyone who tryed to kill him will know how fkn owned u can get if he has purge up. Same goes with all casters that have moc/lt really ( not even starting on the intercept-, stunn chicken-/caba pets or 4 brittles )

And this thread is about make stealthers OPed with IP again, so get off it if you don't support it :touch:
:<

Well you just pointed it out urself.. its not the assassins that sux or whatever.. but some classes such as sm, bd, sorc and warlock etc. are imbalanced, and its those classes that needs to be fixed, not the assassins.

 

[Duzic]

seems stealthers really do need love, endac just jumped me with a nice 5-6 man stealth zerg still got one of the little shits tho

 

[Mastade]

seems stealthers really do need love, endac just jumped me with a nice 5-6 man stealth zerg still got one of the little shits tho

Theurgs are imba aswell ^_^

 

[Duzic]

was playing armsman

 

[Mastade]

was playing armsman

Nerf them aswell :<

 

[Duzic]

Nerf them aswell :<

indeed nerf us even killed someone with snapshot 2day :eek2:

 

[Twinky]

Stealthers are supposed to kill weak targets such as casters/support.. and they do that fairly well atm. Anyone suggesting something similiar as assassins getting back IP so they can kill heavy tanks without a prob again, should be shot

mb givf stealthers the possibility to get IP2 then, if not 3.. just not fun to play sb vs 3 other stealths and 1 fg.. atleast u can beat 2-3 if u play well and r a bit lucky...

and btw if u purge, u can get debuffed again right.. that just sux if its like that..

and thx to all hibbs that did /wave etc at me today at DC nice to see them respecting 1vs1

 

[acei]

Minstrels are insanly OPed. rr7+ minstrels are unkillable 1v1 for any stealther exeption might me infil hitting a DF who isnt purged. Anyway minstrels have around 820-830 AF buffed. Malice mainhand, battler back. Phaseshift+FZ+purge+IP+whingedhelm /use. Anyone claiming minstrels is not OPed in todays rvr ( stealther rvr mainly ) havn't a clue ! (same ppl that still cap dex in thier minstrel temps to demezz faster 4tw! )

And the self ablative is way to OPed aswell, u can easy twist it like any other song, cancel and re cast to gain 2 ablatives in 6 seconds. OPED!

Abltive has a 10sec timer so it can only be "twisted" to give a max of 3 ablatives/10sec, most assassins hit for ALOT more than 210/10sec
Our AF is to replace our 0shield, 0parry and only evade 2. How much evade do assassins get again?...

If a minstrel uses malice/battler it means they have to use Phoebus harp not good Edit: WTF does malice/battler gotta do with minstrels anyway? Assassins can do it too! They can do it better infact since they don't need to use instruments constantly.

Phaseshift+FZ+wingedhelm /use... = all archers have this too.
IP = Also a added benefit of having almost 0 defense.

 

[Adari]

0 defense?

what about chain armour and ablative chant

 

[Mastade]

From a roleplaying perspective..

a stealthing person running around with a drum and chain armor? ;/

 

[Dorimor1]

From a roleplaying perspective..

a stealthing person running around with a drum and chain armor? ;/

Accidents can happen

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Abltive has a 10sec timer so it can only be "twisted" to give a max of 3 ablatives/10sec, most assassins hit for ALOT more than 210/10sec
Our AF is to replace our 0shield, 0parry and only evade 2. How much evade do assassins get again?...

If a minstrel uses malice/battler it means they have to use Phoebus harp not good Edit: WTF does malice/battler gotta do with minstrels anyway? Assassins can do it too! They can do it better infact since they don't need to use instruments constantly.

Phaseshift+FZ+wingedhelm /use... = all archers have this too.
IP = Also a added benefit of having almost 0 defense.

no defence? m8 830 af 27% abs armor som proc, malice/battler charge, 70 point abltaive twistable, IP, wingedhelm, FZ,PS thats ur defence

 

[Theseus]

moc etc

mate, i play this game since release almost.. i think i know when a caster is moccing and when he isnt...

If a caster keeps casting on someone when he is meleed and it gets through every other swing... not every swing. but enough to get their hp back up long enough everytime i think that mythic fucked up somewhere down the line...

 

[Lethul]

mate, i play this game since release almost.. i think i know when a caster is moccing and when he isnt...

If a caster keeps casting on someone when he is meleed and it gets through every other swing... not every swing. but enough to get their hp back up long enough everytime i think that mythic fucked up somewhere down the line...

obviously you know nothing about casters, its not possible to cast if someone is meeling you. and i play a HIGH dex lifetap class, i have never "casted through" a swing

 

[Lethul]

From a roleplaying perspective..

a stealthing person running around with a drum and chain armor? ;/

thats the reason they removed chain from hunters and forgot to give evade back
so roleplay perspectives only apply to certain classes

 

[Kaun_IA]

Seriously?

80% off the time when I'm melleeing a caster he gets a nuke in every other swing...not just 1 qc. This is just getting out off hand and you all know it.

true, only way i found to kill a caster is to strafe and side stun and hope i can get a chain off too.

but strafeing is bad............

 

[Tiztla]

Couldnt agree more with u , good and valid points

 

[Valgyr]

Abltive has a 10sec timer so it can only be "twisted" to give a max of 3 ablatives/10sec, most assassins hit for ALOT more than 210/10sec
Our AF is to replace our 0shield, 0parry and only evade 2. How much evade do assassins get again?...

If a minstrel uses malice/battler it means they have to use Phoebus harp not good Edit: WTF does malice/battler gotta do with minstrels anyway? Assassins can do it too! They can do it better infact since they don't need to use instruments constantly.

Phaseshift+FZ+wingedhelm /use... = all archers have this too.
IP = Also a added benefit of having almost 0 defense.

i see in ur sig u do have a mincer still u have NO clue on what makes it good and bad

 

[Valgyr]

obviously you know nothing about casters, its not possible to cast if someone is meeling you. and i play a HIGH dex lifetap class, i have never "casted through" a swing

oh rly its impossible is it, no its not it happens far far too often

 

[Lethul]

oh rly its impossible is it, no its not it happens far far too often

saracen with 15 dex in creation and 26 dex template, i have yet to "cast through" an melee attack. i think u can ask any caster

MoC and SM can "cast through" melee attacks. or if you waste your time attacking brittles instead of poisonspiking them... otherwise it is not possible to cast through melee attack

 

[Theseus]

obviously you know nothing about casters, its not possible to cast if someone is meeling you. and i play a HIGH dex lifetap class, i have never "casted through" a swing

I think that the replies from the other people speak for themself.
I can see why you would think that you are right though. You dont solo , wich is just perfectly fine and i don't mean anything with it but this:

When you are in a group and a tank is battering at you, I highly doubt that you ever just stood there and took it and tried to cast back. What usually happens is that you will gonna try and QC and then probably kite the tank while you get healed and tanks or other mages or clerics root/stun/snare/kill the target for you.

You might have noticed that the replies off the ppl that agree with me on this are from stealthers. The ones that do try to solo most off the time and that is when we face the solocasters that actually have to take it and nuke back.

So to sum up: Casters need castingspeed nerf

That's basically all what i had to say

 

[Vodkafairy]

you cant cast through melee attacks, ever, ever, ever without moc or quickcast. the only thing you might be referring to is concentration, which resets the qc timer. and qc is capped at 2 sec, where normal spells are casted around 1s/spell

 

[Lethul]

I think that the replies from the other people speak for themself.
I can see why you would think that you are right though. You dont solo , wich is just perfectly fine and i don't mean anything with it but this:

When you are in a group and a tank is battering at you, I highly doubt that you ever just stood there and took it and tried to cast back. What usually happens is that you will gonna try and QC and then probably kite the tank while you get healed and tanks or other mages or clerics root/stun/snare/kill the target for you.

You might have noticed that the replies off the ppl that agree with me on this are from stealthers. The ones that do try to solo most off the time and that is when we face the solocasters that actually have to take it and nuke back.

So to sum up: Casters need castingspeed nerf

That's basically all what i had to say

i have soloed a fair bit on both sorc/theurg/caba, i have NEVER cast through melee interupt
i will never be able to cast through melee interupt. maybe should make a movie with le sorc wtih rr5 up and put a merc on attackmode on him and try to "cast through" ?

 

[noaim]

I think that the replies from the other people speak for themself.
I can see why you would think that you are right though. You dont solo , wich is just perfectly fine and i don't mean anything with it but this:

When you are in a group and a tank is battering at you, I highly doubt that you ever just stood there and took it and tried to cast back. What usually happens is that you will gonna try and QC and then probably kite the tank while you get healed and tanks or other mages or clerics root/stun/snare/kill the target for you.

You might have noticed that the replies off the ppl that agree with me on this are from stealthers. The ones that do try to solo most off the time and that is when we face the solocasters that actually have to take it and nuke back.

So to sum up: Casters need castingspeed nerf

That's basically all what i had to say

You prolly ran into some spiritmasters.

 

[SethNaket]

mate, i play this game since release almost.. i think i know when a caster is moccing and when he isnt...

If a caster keeps casting on someone when he is meleed and it gets through every other swing... not every swing. but enough to get their hp back up long enough everytime i think that mythic fucked up somewhere down the line...

Sad that someone can play a game for so long and not learn simple things like interrupts, guess in all those years you never played a caster eh? It's not possible at all to cast when someone is hitting you.

The interrupt code will keep interrupting the caster for the same ammount of time as your swing delay. Even if the caster had a 0.1s castspeed it wouldn't matter cause he'd be interrupted at 0.05s into his cast *every time*.

 

[moik]

Maybe Theseus ran into a BD, they can get a nuke in once in a while, not every swing, but enough to get full hp back. How about that?

 

[rvn]

with lag its sometimes possible to hit between enemys attack swings, also if you allready started your spell before the enemy reached you you can sometimes get that spell and a second spell off even when the enemy is hitting you, due to server lag and half of the spell being casted before you got interrupted, but being meleed, then trying to cast after the first attack round it wont happen unless you moc or qc..