The Allaince and TU

[old.Jeriraa]

Lol Jenna you sound like Azal today.... whiners, crybabies, u don't listen, you don't help, you don't think, you don't follow... thats what I heard from him today.


You call it whining when someone says: This is not right.

You want some selfthinking? I don't think so because everytime someone not belonging to your Mafia crew is suggesting something the only thing he gets is insults.

A raid is beeing arranged and only 30 people show up? Of course we don't show up bcz we are stupid gits that care a shit about Midgard, right? NO! We don't show up because all you do is yell CHARGE and get 60 mids killed in less then 2 minutes after 1 hour of waiting and sitting around in a PK. Then we get bitched at if don't want to do this every night. (suggestion to Mythic/GOA: Don't let anybody that died at a relic keep enter the frontier for 48 hours. This would force even the so called Leaders and Heros of the Nemesis Alliance to use some other tactics than mass suicide.) We aint Lemmings.

Btw KN never 'whined' about loot distribution. I tell you why: We have never been invited to any hunts. /as just says 'KN 2 rams for tomorrow night', 'people go there at once', 'people do that', 'well done you stupid gits - why haven't you done what I said'.


I play this game for two reasons: FUN and NICE PEOPLE. The Nemesis alliance doesn't offer this.

KN signing out - /salute to the true Heros of this realm: Hardbein, Solid, Louise, Adrira and the others whos names I can't remember right now.

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

here we c again
sorry jeriraa but i think u did complain AS today.
when we where gonna jump on dc.
and the i think i said to you stuff also.
Why compain if u dont have any better suggestion your self?
Stay behind mmg all day? that is good?
eh not at all really stay behind the other have advange alot u see.


I just think its sad that ppl complain.
But they dont try get stuff to happend.
And here KN havent been invited to stuff..
Invite your self?
Get a hunt going?
Is that so hard for ppl to do?
Dont understand how it can be..

For example talk to white rose.. jormungadur.
dentist. fedakyin.. ragnarok.. some guilds...
ask if they want to try legion with 8 guilds
4 get ubers items next time the last 4 gets..


Why is that so hard to arrange?

So only thing i want.. If u dont have better ideas how things should be arranged.. and complain on how things getting runed.. dont say anything.. that only makes stuff worse imo.

 

[ImLestat]

Jenna, tbh I don't know if you replied to my post or not, because I sure didn't mention any raid at all. I meant the Emain incident. And how can you even think that I can whine on some raid our guild wasn't even invited to?

Jeri is right though. We haven't seen anything positive. We get yelled at, and insulted over as, and on top of that don't get invited to any sort of epic hunts. And don't say we weren't on any relic raids, because that is outright not true. I was personally on almost every raid for one week straight, and kept throwing myself at those relic doors. And many from our guild was with me.

Well, this is no longer our matter, as KN left the alliance this evening. To all the nice people still in the alliance: Take care.

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Blejs I actually didn't wanted to answer to your post bcz I didn't see a point to discuss in it. Just one thing that made me laugh:
Fedaykin -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 59 active members
The Dentists -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 43 active members
White Rose -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 103 active members
Jormungandr -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 53 active members
Ragnarök -> Nemesis Alliance -> 26 active members
Quite funny don't you think?
Btw: Klan Nidstang -> no alliance -> 56 active members, 1,513,763rp with only 6 lvl 50s



I also rember when 1 or 2 days after the 1.49 patch a group of KN and a group of EoÔ killed the Hib Prince in Darkness Falls. Our group didn't get shit. Not even seals. The EoÔ group was led by you. You are Mafia as the others when it comes to this point.
I respect you as a Leader though! You are far better than Azal and Durgi. You have social skills and can mostly discuss without calling people all sort of things.

You don't see my point thou: I am not asking for drops! I am asking you not to exclude 50% of the Nemesis alliance guilds from any non-RvR activity and still want them to participate in RvR and follow your orders like brainless Lemmings. I have never seen Legion myself. I couldn't participate at the 2 public raids bcz I was not at home for a couple of days when they happend. I have hardly any chance to see him in this alliance. I don't have fun in RvR neither bcz of people around me either ignoring me or if in a (guild) group having no other choice than following /as orders into sure death. I could quit the game as many Mids did but I think there must be something better than Nemesis! Something friendly, something where you can have fun, something worth paying 10€ per month.




About the Emain incident tonight: In germany (my homeland) I saw an awesome piece of military tactics once. It was an airfield that could be turned into a lake. At nightime they unflooded it and opened the underground hangars while at daytime the allied scouts saw nothing but a lake. In Emain this night we were supposed to regroup under the eyes of enemie scouts with a Hib Zerg behind them. We all got wiped. Obviously collecting people on Hibs side of MMG was a mistake. Everyone that got killed there saw that. Azal was NOT there. He wanted us to do the same mistake again though and bitched at people actually using a smarter tactic. Why not hide till you are ready to attack? Why not dispatch scouts? Hibs do that everytime before they zerg us.
Oh wait! We didn't dispatch scouts because they were at DC to 'ninja' it and show how awfull Uber they are and that they can do everything on their own. If they can do everything at their own why did they need us to bait Hibs away from DC? Albs 'ninjaed' Arvakr with defenders inside! Was pretty surprising for me to stand at the battlements waiting for attackers and suddenly see an Alb Banner above my head.
Tonight was another great example how the heros of Nemesis Alliance manipulate people for their own purpose! They couldn't risk to 'ninja' DC with Hibs there so they used 30 Mids to bodypull them away twice. I think most people didn't even got the idea of what was going on and I don't even care for that. What drove me nuts was the bitching on people that wanted to try another tactic.

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by Solid
Alliance: I am beginning to see too many ORDERS and people being TOLD to do something, as opposed to people being kindly asked. NEVER was the alliance intended to be a dictatorship, and NEVER was any 1 person to have a right to ORDER people about.

Agree totally

I wish our alliance could be just for information purposes, coordination bethween the guilds, and scout reports.

Our "Alliance Leaders" shouldnt be "Alliance Commanders", they should just be leaders, by example, by taking initiative, and by offering tactical coordination.

People seriously need to realize that getting upset about albs roaming our frontier, and then bitching about it does exactely 0 good. ITS A GAME, we lose some, but we also win some.

If the frontier is invaded, do think you can "order" people around.. instead give them the information to base their own decisions on, and then offer to meet up at X spot, say that you are setting up a cg, and that people can msg you.


No one have the right nor the powers to force anyone to do something


What would be nice is if more guilds start doing like EoO, have a pre defined strikeforce, if you are in that strikeforce, it means that you are prepared to go the extra mile to defend midgard.. drop what you are doing and meet in hugin..... but this is up the the guilds to organize and police internally (and should be voluntary if you want to be a member of your guilds strikeforce)

 

[Azal]

We didn't dispatch scouts because they were at DC to 'ninja' it and show how awfull Uber they are and that they can do everything on their own. If they can do everything at their own why did they need us to bait Hibs away from DC? [/B]

1) So all the scouts in emain were with me waiting to try for dc? nope, was 6-7 only - should've been in the cg you would've known that.

2)

and show how awfull Uber they are and that they can do everything on their own

Since when did our tactic only involve 'us' doing anything on our own? never - cero was trying to get the mids together to actually do something from mmg instead of hiding behind it. If you were in the cg you would've known that.

3) Did we need anyone to bait hibs away from dc? nope. we would happily have gone and done it with all the hibs inside dc, the only thing we were asking for was 1 grp to help support us, but of course you wouldn't know that you didn't bother to join the eman cg did you.


That shows how little of a clue you knew about what was going on. Oh but I forget, you were too busy complaining to listen to cero pleading ppl to msg him to join the cg so you would have a clue what was going on.

Instead of whining about things you have no idea about (still) why not do something useful. Posting stupid comments on here that aren't even accurate just makes you look silly.

 

[Hufner]

I find it sad that we need to be bickering and airing "dirty underwear" like this.
There's something called Alliance boards - arguing here for the enjoyment of Albions and Hibernians serves us no good.

 

[Jenna.]

My post wasnt to any special person, it was for all those who felt hitted by it.

And jeriraa, its good that you feel hitted about my post, then I know theres some truth in it. :touch:

 

[mhael]

1) no it's the same method that's been used every single time to so far.

Yes, so I have been told. I have never been interested in a prince-drop and just been happy we killed the bugger so I guess I must have missed that.

2) your rep mebbe could've replied after the other 2 guilds had said what they wanted without waiting 3-4 minutes first? if people read the cg they would've seen it asked 4-5 times for (as always) the prince drop guilds to say what they wanted.

Just to illustrate what happened ..
Rep: What loot do we want?
Guild: What loot dropped?
Me: *checking ss* *writing them down*
Guild: Stats? (no not everyone knows all the prince-drops by heart)
Me: Take Soul forged bracer since I know that the +hits version is a decent (if not even very good) bracer.
Guild: Someone writes down the stats of the bracers and belt.
Rep: We cant have the bracers. We can chose from bla, bla, belt.
Guild: Belt belt belt.
Rep: Heppa he just said we cant have that either.
..

Some people actually don't know the stats of every item that drops.
Some people actually don't know what the guild wants.
Some people actually ask their guild what they want.
Some people actually wait for an answer from their guild.
People do the strangest things don't you agree? =)

3) Warders took a spear from it, we wanted another bracer but missed it, so we took the spear. You even got 2 items from it warders only got one.

You really want to make it seem like I am a loot-greedy bastard don't you? =)
If you gave my Add II a bit of thought you would understand that it was all refering to you not having much of a choice in the chosing. Hence all the smileys. If there is something I regret in my previous post is that of not putting a smiley after I said that it was hard to beat Azal in telling Azal what you want. But as some people don't seem to understand the meaning of smileys I don't think it would have done any bigger difference.

So basically your happy about what items you got, you even got more than 2 other guilds there getting prince drops and you don't like the same system that's been used every time so far even though your happy with what you got from it? Makes good sense.

Yes I don't like the I scream loudest so I get the itamz!
Is this so increadible difficult to understand?
It is bound to upset someone (as me, but I was now rather thinking in the ways of loot-wanting) sooner or later and will be a risk of perhaps a guild/person catching a grudge against the loot-distributor?
Why risk that?
Just because some guilds were left with worse loot than us this time does this deny me the right to point out things that I think is wrong? Some people actually don't think about themself all the time.
If it can lead to a grudge it will lead to a grudge.

I just said that the loot distributing system has flaws and that I rather wanted a lotto based system and people start trashing around as I had insulted them/their guild or something.

/em is away making a macro that says all the prince-drops in order of their goodieness in /cg =]

[edit]
But seriously this is not a _big_ issue for me. It was just something I came up with when I thought about what I didn't like about the alliance as I think it can cause problems ..

 

[froler-mid]

Soo much whine bout prince drops. Prince drops are not even that good.

crafted weapons > prince weapons.
epic armor > prince armor.

Some of the jewelry mayby....is wanted..

i like the loot sharing we got atm with prince drops, fast, no whine(well, some here on BW then..).


Personally i want nothing from the prince/chancellor/dukes ( and if i wanted it id do a group and farm them..)


the "big problem" is legion/dragon unique drops. Got a "working" system atm, thou it excludes some guilds in our realm.

But like someone said. If KN arrange a Legion hunt and invites EoO and presents a fair loot sharing system. We will show up for sure.

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen

What would be nice is if more guilds start doing like EoO, have a pre defined strikeforce, if you are in that strikeforce, it means that you are prepared to go the extra mile to defend midgard.. drop what you are doing and meet in hugin..... but this is up the the guilds to organize and police internally (and should be voluntary if you want to be a member of your guilds strikeforce)

what? a nice word about EoO on BW? -wicked!

 

[ViscountC]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus
Get a hunt going?
Is that so hard for ppl to do?
Dont understand how it can be..

For example talk to white rose.. jormungadur.
dentist. fedakyin.. ragnarok.. some guilds...
ask if they want to try legion with 8 guilds
4 get ubers items next time the last 4 gets..

Interestingly, the Dentists went on the dragon raid a month or so back lead by Blej. We didn't see any uber drops - fine, there were only about a dozen of us there. But the dead giveaway is that we were never contacted or told about the drops in any way shape or form - we weren't an uber guild, so we weren't even considered. Ho hum.

The Fedaykin alliance has grown a bit bigger and a bit more serious than that which was first envisaged, but I'm bloody glad I'm with them rather than the "other" alliance.

 

[Starkill]

Originally posted by Hufner
I find it sad that we need to be bickering and airing "dirty underwear" like this.
There's something called Alliance boards - arguing here for the enjoyment of Albions and Hibernians serves us no good.

Whilst this thread has made for some entertaining reading, IMHO it just highlights some of the issues I have seen with my dealings with the alliances.

Being one of the early members of the Fedaykin alliance our guild are again IMHO proud to be part of something that seems to be working very well. I can think of no situations of people screaming at each other, no ego displays on AS and yes we do have some minor spamming on AS occasionally but usually of a light hearted nature (and normally only at times when things are quiet). We dont have vast numbers of lvl 50's at the moment but many guilds have a lot of members approaching it quickly. We are hoping to be able to start organsing more of the sorts of raids mentioned in time.

The one important thing that does seem to be needed would be some sort of Midgard Alliances board were members of any of the alliances (verified by GL's) can share info outside of dedicated Nem Alliance, Fed Alliance dedicated boards. This I hope would do something to help communication between all. We have a number of issues within Midgard that need to be addressed but I really have to agree with Hufner, this doesn't seem to be the best place to do it. For any Hib or Alb reading this they must have found it very amusing to see the bickering. However I am sure from other posts that all is not perfect in the other realms either and yes we do have more Uber chars still. What we need to do is try and let some of these issues drop now and try and move forward (I appreciate it is very easy for me to say as I am not directly invoolved in this, but if you didnt want to make it a public debate this wasnt the place to have posted).

IMHO what we need more than anything else is a Midgard Council (an idea I have put forward at a few meetings I have attended in the past) with representation of all guilds in the Alliances to discuss general Midgardian issues. Any vote should not be based on the size of a guild either (bacause lets be honest we have seen how easy it is if a guild wants to get large numbers of members how easy it is).

I for one am just hoping people can resolve their differences or even agree to respect the other opinions and let this rest and try and move on now for the sake of Midgard.

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Azal it makes me really sad to read your answer. It's basicly the same **** you spammed me with yesterday. I am critizing not Cero nor what he had planned. I am critizing YOUR bitching on /as. And I know I am right with that. Why can't you just admit it instead of bitching on and on? You fear to loose reputation? You have no reputation to loose.

Finally I was not in that Emain cg bcz of the 2 following reasons:

1. I logged exactly 2 minutes before porting to Emain and getting zerged the first time at MMG. I didn't know there was a /cg. I was just following 'orders' on /as.

2. I joined a /cg of 2 groups KN and a group of PW. Even if I had know about a Emain /cg I would have stood in our /cg. The people in there don't bitch at me you know.

 

[kalgarn]

Originally posted by froler-mid
what? a nice word about EoO on BW? -wicked!

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Azal it makes me really sad to read your answer. It's basicly the same **** you spammed me with yesterday. I am critizing not Cero nor what he had planned. I am critizing YOUR bitching on /as. And I know I am right with that.

Then what's this:

In Emain this night we were supposed to regroup under the eyes of enemie scouts with a Hib Zerg behind them. We all got wiped. Obviously collecting people on Hibs side of MMG was a mistake. Everyone that got killed there saw that. Azal was NOT there. He wanted us to do the same mistake again though and bitched at people actually using a smarter tactic. Why not hide till you are ready to attack? Why not dispatch scouts? Hibs do that everytime before they zerg us.
Oh wait! We didn't dispatch scouts because they were at DC to 'ninja' it and show how awfull Uber they are and that they can do everything on their own. If they can do everything at their own why did they need us to bait Hibs away from DC?
.
Tonight was another great example how the heros of Nemesis Alliance manipulate people for their own purpose! They couldn't risk to 'ninja' DC with Hibs there so they used 30 Mids to bodypull them away twice. I think most people didn't even got the idea of what was going on and I don't even care for that. What drove me nuts was the bitching on people that wanted to try another tactic.

That's bitching and whining about tactics that you don't even have the faintest clue what was actually being done. Take this:

They couldn't risk to 'ninja' DC with Hibs there so they used 30 Mids to bodypull them away twice

So your complaining about the tactics being used, when you don't even know what they ARE and your making up utter crap to try and make them look bad (above) so what's that if it's not critisicing what was planned? your critisicing it and even making up complete rubbish about what was being done.

It doesn't matter if the hibs were at DC or not to use the tactic we had planned, that shows how little of a clue you actually had as to what was going on really doesn't it. Still at least some of us were TRYING instead of whining and spewing crap around the place to try and make the ppl that were TRYING look bad.

Bitch, whine, moan make up bollocks, try helping next time instead.
Get a clue.

At least try and come out with something credible if your going to try and rubbish what people were doing, spewing utter shit you made up because you can't do anything else (like have a clue what was actually going on) is rather pathetic.

 

[ImLestat]

Azal, if Jeri really don't know of the tactics involved at that moment or if you are just trying to save face and perhaps the tactic so you can use it again I don't know. In the end it isn't the big issue here either. The real issue is the amount of insults and bullshit we (and others of course) had to endure from you, mainly over /as. Last night was only an example of what has been going on quite some time. If I were you, I would start thinking of my already VERY bad reputation, and stop proccing insults left and right. You are dragging your own reputation, not to mention your guilds reputation through miles and miles of mud. I know for a fact, that a VERY large part of Midgard share my view on this, but it is up to them to acknowledge this or not. Midgard is not your personal playground, where everyone is your puppet, and the puppets don't bite back if they are being mistreated. For your own sake, and your guild, sit down and think about this a bit...

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by ViscountC


Interestingly, the Dentists went on the dragon raid a month or so back lead by Blej. We didn't see any uber drops - fine, there were only about a dozen of us there. But the dead giveaway is that we were never contacted or told about the drops in any way shape or form - we weren't an uber guild, so we weren't even considered. Ho hum.

The Fedaykin alliance has grown a bit bigger and a bit more serious than that which was first envisaged, but I'm bloody glad I'm with them rather than the "other" alliance.

I guess you didnt have like anyone or something in the cg then?
As the rest of items execept dragon drops was like almost none that wanted really.

And what would your idea be to do a fair system?
Same there. It wasnt the drops that was most importent.
THAT was a bonus. Same with legion. Fun just to kill it..


And question should a guild that comes with 4 ppl and 8 other guilds that brings 20 eatch have same chance getting the item?
Would that be fair? I did what i thaught was abit fair.
like hmms how should i do.. then oki 8 guilds those i thaught had most ppl and sutch there contributed most to the raid.
Simple as that.

 

[old.Khain]

If you are going to quote ppl then do all their points in their post

1. I logged exactly 2 minutes before porting to Emain and getting zerged the first time at MMG. I didn't know there was a /cg. I was just following 'orders' on /as.

In other words was NOT in CG can not complain about a plan that but is commenting on /AS what was said.

 

[Thorgald]

i have a good idea here that works awsome on my other server that i play

Why let all lvl 40-45+ in the alliance have access to speak in alliance at all?? imo only guild leaders should be able to speak in alliance.. let the rest of the ppl just be able to hear it.. thats good enough..


just my 2 cents

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Blejs I actually didn't wanted to answer to your post bcz I didn't see a point to discuss in it. Just one thing that made me laugh:
Fedaykin -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 59 active members
The Dentists -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 43 active members
White Rose -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 103 active members
Jormungandr -> Fedaykin Alliance -> 53 active members
Ragnarök -> Nemesis Alliance -> 26 active members
Quite funny don't you think?
Btw: Klan Nidstang -> no alliance -> 56 active members, 1,513,763rp with only 6 lvl 50s

I only gaved some guilds names..
And perhaps u get 8 together or something and organise same as we do atm.. so we can "farm legion"
But u need someone to take charge of it.

I also rember when 1 or 2 days after the 1.49 patch a group of KN and a group of EoÔ killed the Hib Prince in Darkness Falls. Our group didn't get shit. Not even seals. The EoÔ group was led by you. You are Mafia as the others when it comes to this point.
I respect you as a Leader though! You are far better than Azal and Durgi. You have social skills and can mostly discuss without calling people all sort of things.

I have no memory of this but if u remember in the beginning of df all ppl joined up together almost. I mean i am almost 100% sure tat KN and EoO didnt plan go together or so but just perhaps ended up together or something, cause i am sure if we would have planned stuff together we would do the items fair and square. I know 2 times when drops from princes EoO was there and we didnt get any loot at all. 1 time was beginning and bulle got, so? Lucky them i only say 1 other time was warders and su that got items as we had all 3 race to hib prince but warders and was su was going together and EoO was going alone.
warders/su group got items here again fun for them nothing we could do. But we did ask before if we could split items with eatcher if dropped. Got a no. nothing to do.
But the thing is all the loot always make a mess and ppl get mad on eatchother and sutch not good at all... Thats why we do those 8 guilds.. So we stop getting all loot argue. Sure its a good deal for some of those guilds then others. as all have same chance and some guilds are smaller then others

You don't see my point thou: I am not asking for drops! I am asking you not to exclude 50% of the Nemesis alliance guilds from any non-RvR activity and still want them to participate in RvR and follow your orders like brainless Lemmings.

[/QUOTE]

Here again lets say 16 guilds particape in the legion hunt
but atm 15 in alliance or so i think not sure.
But.. How would all loot be now?
1 guilds comes with 2 ppl another 20 and both should have same chance getting a uber item? that is not fair at all..
But i say again Try organise something if u want us ( EoO ) to try help u out give me a msg or something and we can see how we could help and get stuff fair also.
But if we dont get any invites or someone takes intiative nothing we can do really..


And for emain perhaps we should have stay behind mmg.
But its more easier to defend on hib side of then on mid side of it
As they can use the walls and sutch...
And if 1 group would have helped us some to ninja the keep
We could have pulled it off and have controll over dc
As hibs outnumber us in emain..

But again all what is needed is ppl to take intiative
Ideas... If noone says what they think.. Nothing happends.

Simple as that.

And btw tnx for the words about leader
Perhaps are not that hated as i thaught i was by many

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by Thorgald
i have a good idea here that works awsome on my other server that i play

Why let all lvl 40-45+ in the alliance have access to speak in alliance at all?? imo only guild leaders should be able to speak in alliance.. let the rest of the ppl just be able to hear it.. thats good enough..


just my 2 cents

bad bad bad

If more can talk, info goes out faster.
Sure perhaps as get flooded sometimes.
But what if not for example GM is online how to spread info fast then.. Cant... AS can be open for all. IF they know how to use it.

Many EoO have AS ranks its that strike force 45+ and then they need to follow rules some ppl are 46 and sutch ready to suicide to defend their realm incase its needed.
But if they cant be able to use it. You can always tell to me or someone else in EoO i think we can demote that person if he cant behave or tell him how to do react and if doesnt improve him self he wont be able to talk there... Easy and simple as that.

But imo EoOs that can talk in AS do nothing bad really
Not what i have seen and if i do think something that could be improved i tell them that. And often get more "mad" on those ppl then others if they could talk in another way. Well hmms not i am gonna fix some food and i am hungry to for your info..

 

[old.Khain]

I have read all the comments what ppl, have said and the reply that they have been given, In my first post I say the main problems where down to planing, lack of communication and respect. Then a few other guild have come along and some of the same things, not just ppl whole guilds, Not just a little problem but problems where they have or will be leaving the alliance, because they have had enough.
Also add to this that we are in a very, very public place.

Now, what are the responses that they have received:

That shows how little of a clue you knew about what was going on. Oh but I forget, you were too busy complaining to listen to cero pleading ppl to msg him to join the cg so you would have a clue what was going on.

Instead of whining about things you have no idea about (still) why not do something useful. Posting stupid comments on here that aren't even accurate just makes you look silly."

nice to see ppls feedback is taken on board by the guild leaders and they are not just insulted

IF ppl payed attention in the cg it wouldn't be a problem.

we seeing a problem Yet ?? Anyone??

So basically your happy about what items you got, you even got more than 2 other guilds there getting prince drops and you don't like the same system that's been used every time so far even though your happy with what you got from it? Makes good sense

Find this funny that it does not ring any bells, they do better then most but still think there is issues with the method used.

Lets get off iteams, its only a small issues

I just think its sad that ppl complain.
But they dont try get stuff to happend.
And here KN havent been invited to stuff..
Invite your self?
Get a hunt going?
Is that so hard for ppl to do?
Dont understand how it can be..

For example talk to white rose.. jormungadur.
dentist. fedakyin.. ragnarok.. some guilds...
ask if they want to try legion with 8 guilds
4 get ubers items next time the last 4 gets..

Nice to see you used examples of guild not in the alliance?? Make it easyer for to point out what you are missing about the alliance of the guilds that should all be working TOGETHER.

So only thing i want.. If u dont have better ideas how things should be arranged.. and complain on how things getting runed.. dont say anything.. that only makes stuff worse imo."

So what you are say, is if someone see/thinks there is something wrong, unless they can come up with a solution to it, they should not say that there is a problem because it makes things worse?.

Now I agree that its better to make constructive criticism, but not all people are like that. You must admit that its better to flag something to the leadership then say nothing at all ?


With regards to why the post is here and not on the priv boards, I reg about 22 July I think and was still awaiting access from when we moved over to them boards. Why not ingame, well last time I tried saying what I though, I got booted from the CG (ok I was not be to nice but it was about Durgi)

 

[old.Khain]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus
but atm 15 in alliance or so i think not sure.

No down too 13, lost a few in the last few days/weeks

 

[Thorgald]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus


bad bad bad

If more can talk, info goes out faster.
Sure perhaps as get flooded sometimes.
But what if not for example GM is online how to spread info fast then.. Cant... AS can be open for all. IF they know how to use it.

true but thats why everyone can hear alliance chat. to see who in alliance is online.. works great and almost never any problems.. exept for those that love to spam HI ALL in /as..

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by old.Khain
used examples of guild not in the alliance?? Make it easyer for to point out what you are missing about the alliance of the guilds that should all be working TOGETHER.



So what you are say, is if someone see/thinks there is something wrong, unless they can come up with a solution to it, they should not say that there is a problem because it makes things worse?.

Now I agree that its better to make constructive criticism, but not all people are like that. You must admit that its better to flag something to the leadership then say nothing at all ?

Cause we have guilds that have few ppl in it..
i ask again.. would it be fair that a guild comes with 4ppl
and another 20 ppl and they have same chance getting "uber item" ? That is not fair at all imo...


So KN was not 1 of those 8 guilds..
Now i ask you. What would u suggest?
Do legion with 16 guilds or what we where?
hmms 1 guilds comes with 4 ppl.. 25% change getting eatch.
1 other 20ppl hmms 5% getting item eatch.
You understand my point?
And yes negativism isnt good really at all imo.

Cause that can make ppl mixed in their heads more.
And perhaps also ppl are not sure what to do..
So even its a bad idea. Its still a idea..

Better then nothing imo...

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

Originally posted by klavrynd

I must say tho, that eoo has (from my point of view), the highest percentage of "i dinged 50 so i can be an elitist snob and give you crap"-mentality players

Is that a fact then? Oki, name me 5 of those in EoO then please... I was just thinking about it, but I couldn't come up with more than 1 or 2... (sorry Blej and Froler )

 

[Very Quick]

Originally posted by old.Eynar_Vega


Is that a fact then? Oki, name me 5 of those in EoO then please... I was just thinking about it, but I couldn't come up with more than 1 or 2... (sorry Blej and Froler )

Sorry but your ego is enough to fill in those 5 spots before anyone has a chance to name others

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by old.Eynar_Vega


Is that a fact then? Oki, name me 5 of those in EoO then please... I was just thinking about it, but I couldn't come up with more than 1 or 2... (sorry Blej and Froler )

 

[Nonnier]

Originally posted by Very Quick


Sorry but your ego is enough to fill in those 5 spots before anyone has a chance to name others

well i think ur now no. 1 of the "most bitching fucker"(excuse the word) top 5

 

[Very Quick]

Originally posted by reinnon


well i think ur now no. 1 of the "most bitching fucker"(excuse the word) top 5

Sue me!