Football The 2014/2015 Season Thread

[Scouse]

no reason that Catalonian teams couldn't remain part of Spanish FA, i mean Monaco is in Ligue 1 and there are Welsh teams in English leagues...

... yeah. But it's exactly the sort of scaremongering that would get idiots to vote one way or another eh?

Seen that sort of shit recently. Can't remember where...

 

[miri]

 

[georgie]

You could do a similar thing for Rafa Nadal and the girl from Girls:

Btw, the "upload a file" thingy aint working. Well, for me at least.

 

[DaGaffer]

no reason (other than politics!) that Catalonian teams couldn't remain part of Spanish FA, i mean Monaco is in Ligue 1 and there are Welsh teams in English leagues...

They've actually been told by the Spanish FA that they can't.

 

[Raven]

Bluster, the league would collapse without Barca. It would be utterly pointless as Real would just win it every year and it would become even more boring.

 

[DaGaffer]

Bluster, the league would collapse without Barca. It would be utterly pointless as Real would just win it every year and it would become even more boring.

Er, like last season? Barca have more to lose than the rest of La Liga does. Don't forget, the way La Liga works with direct TV deals by the clubs means that Barca takes a disproportionate amount of money that would normally go to the league in other countries. Break the Barca-Real duopoly and it could open up the rest of the league rather than destroy it.

 

[Raven]

The duopoly would just end up a monopoly, or the clubs with serious money would just fuck off their respective FAs and create a Euro super league.

Also, 1 in 10 is an anomaly.

 

[DaGaffer]

The duopoly would just end up a monopoly, or the clubs with serious money would just fuck off their respective FAs and create a Euro super league.

Also, 1 in 10 is an anomaly.

Money would rush in to fill the void; there are 3-4 Spanish clubs that could end up doing a Man City, especially if prospective owners thought they had a better crack at actually winning. As for a super league, that could happen anyway.

 

[Scouse]

They've actually been told by the Spanish FA that they can't.

Bullshit tho isn't it.

 

[Corran]

Bullshit tho isn't it.

Not really, Spanish FA can do what they want though. If they want no foreign teams in their league then they got every right to remove the licence to play then they can. Depends if they think it would affect them financially or not. To be fair it could come down to real madrid pushing for barca to be allowed to play due to their personal income being affected (without a big rival to make the league interesting then tv deals may drop).

Do I think it will happen? Not really. But it is a real possibility if the FA and teams want to be bitchy. And a team that just misses out on Champs league by a couple positions will be seriously thinking about getting them removed from league

 

[Ormorof]

Well if spanish FA say no is there anything to stop them joining french league structure? Im sure they would be thrilled to have a massive club join their ranks (smaller teams perhaps not but the money men yes)

 

[DaGaffer]

Bullshit tho isn't it.

Not really. Its not just FA posturing, the Spanish parliament would have to change the law to let them play, and they probably wouldn't be disposed to do so. UEFA would also have the power of veto (this came up when those rumours about Rangers trying to join the English league were circulating).

Well if spanish FA say no is there anything to stop them joining french league structure? Im sure they would be thrilled to have a massive club join their ranks (smaller teams perhaps not but the money men yes)

See above, UEFA would probably say no.

 

[Ormorof]

I thought FIFA and UEFA rules forbid governments interfering with national FAs?

 

[DaGaffer]

I thought FIFA and UEFA rules forbid governments interfering with national FAs?

They can sanction an FA if they think its being politically interfered with (they can't "forbid" governments from doing anything), but in this case it would align with UEFA's own policies, so why would they? UEFA wants to maintain the national integrity of individual leagues, and doesn't want clubs wandering off and joining foreign leagues because it has an impact on their own competitions. And yes I know Welsh clubs play in the English league but the whole British league structure is a historic anomaly that predates UEFA.

NB. Barcelona* have been aware that getting kicked out of the Spanish league is a real possibility which is why the likes of Laporta have touted ideas like an Iberian league (featuring the top Portuguese clubs as well) in the past. It would probably make a more competitive league, but it would still face the same legal and UEFA barriers.

(*To its credit, that risk hasn't stopped the club putting itself right at the centre of the independence movement).

 

[Ormorof]

I guess spanish FA would opppse an iberian league as it would kill the spanish leagues

Would be great to watch though (not sure how league structure would work though )

 

[caLLous]

 

[miri]

 

[Lethul]

Iceland!

 

[Scouse]

Not really, Spanish FA can do what they want though.

As can the clubs.

It's scaremongering bullshit. At the end of the day football makes money, and they'll all jump at the easiest way to continue to do that.

Kicking Barca out is contrary to making money. So the clubs would find a way - and if the FA didn't like it then that Iberian league gets a nice start eh?

It's scaremongering bullshit.

 

[CorNokZ]

Ronaldo scoring 4 minutes 50 seconds into stoppage time.. fuck

 

[Billargh]

Ronaldo scoring 4 minutes 50 seconds into stoppage time.. fuck

He's good, but he's no John O'Shea.

 

[DaGaffer]

As can the clubs.

It's scaremongering bullshit. At the end of the day football makes money, and they'll all jump at the easiest way to continue to do that.

Kicking Barca out is contrary to making money. So the clubs would find a way - and if the FA didn't like it then that Iberian league gets a nice start eh?

It's scaremongering bullshit.

I don't think you appreciate the political and ideological roots of Real Madrid and Barcelona. To paraphrase Jock Stein, it isn't just life and death, its more important than that. Catalan independence would be the end game in struggle for identity that started 100 years ago, and Barca is at the centre of that, and just as importantly, Real (the team of Franco) is its antithesis. For once, this is about more than money.

 

[Moriath]

I Donno that the Catalans would want barca in a Spanish league if they got independence. It would be like handing something back immediately after they won it.

 

[Scouse]

For once, this is about more than money.

There'd be riots in the street. It'd be politically expedient to just let the people what they have.

Shankly was wrong. It's nowhere near as important as life and death.

 

[megadave]

Crazy scenes at Serbia v Albania!

 

[caLLous]

Haha, chill out Albania! He wasn't disrespecting the flag he was just trying to clear the thing that was disturbing the game. What a mad response.

 

[DaGaffer]

There'd be riots in the street. It'd be politically expedient to just let the people what they have.

Shankly was wrong. It's nowhere near as important as life and death.

Riots in what street? The streets of Madrid? Unlikely. The streets of Barcelona? Maybe, but they'd be in a different country so why would the Castillians give a fuck about Catalan problems?

 

[CorNokZ]

Shit is crazy! The Albanian PM's brother and a journalist have been arrested for the stone incident apparently. The flag was the Greater Albania flag and a clear attempt to provoke the serbs. UEFA and the serbs decided to play on, but Albania didn't, so they might lose 3-0 for forfeiting

 

[Scouse]

Riots in what street? The streets of Madrid? Unlikely. The streets of Barcelona? Maybe, but they'd be in a different country so why would the Castillians give a fuck about Catalan problems?

We're not going to see eye to eye on this. People love their football and there's no reason not to have an expanded cross-border league - or to change the football league for any reason whatsoever.

But it's a moot point anyway tbfh.

 

[megadave]

Shit is crazy! The Albanian PM's brother and a journalist have been arrested for the stone incident apparently. The flag was the Greater Albania flag and a clear attempt to provoke the serbs. UEFA and the serbs decided to play on, but Albania didn't, so they might lose 3-0 for forfeiting

don't blame them for not wanting to play infront of that crowd after seeing this video
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDs5mwNRY7U


there's even pictures of a steward attacking an Albanian player