Football The 2012 / 2013 Season Thread

[Scouse]

What Everz said.

Including the bit about Sturridge, who I really hope doesn't come to Liverpool.


Also - AVB and DiMatteo? Maybe both of those managers weren't up to getting the best out of Torres?

Maybe, just maybe, Rafa'll do well at your club. But not if the fans act like the spoilt little children they are - it affects the performances on the pitch if you're A) being barracked by your fans and B) think your "fans" are actually a bunch of cunts.

Where's the extra incentive to do well for the fans if the fans aren't doing the same for you?

 

[Himse]

Well when Chelsea fans supported Torres through his abominable form and frank lack of effort we are laughed at for it, but when we vilify a player who has done nothing short of bringing the team down we're 'spoilt brats'. What difference does winning 6-1 or 1-0 make in a game that ultimately meant nothing and against a very poor side?

Most Chelsea fans in their right mind want to see the back of Torres for very obvious reasons. Him scoring against shitty teams is the sort of lunacy which will make Abramovic/Benitez believe he's 'still got it' and we'll be stuck with the lumbering sack of shit for the rest of his contract while he drags us down. We're sitting a promising young striker on the bench and we sent another one out on loan just to service this guy's ego. It's tiresome, so yeah forgive me for being somewhat unhappy with him scoring in a situation which ultimately will prove to be a false positive. 21 goals in over 90 appearances, and I could count on one hand the number of those goals that actually meant something and/or were against quality opposition.

Do agree with you on that front.

Lets just see what January brings.

 

[Everz]

Eight clubs including Liverpool scouted Liam McAlinden.

Hands off the new Bully .

 

[megadave]

"get the best out of torres" hahahahah

 

[Madmaxx]

"get the best out of torres" hahahahah

 

[Scouse]

Eight clubs including Liverpool scouted Liam McAlinden.

Is he really that good?

It seems to me that the new owners have run out of money (scraping the bottom of the barrel) and are buying young because young is much cheaper than proven quality.

 

[eksdee]

Where's the extra incentive to do well for the fans if the fans aren't doing the same for you?

Like Roy Hodgson at Liverpool then?

On a purely objective level I think Benitez is a good coach, and I do think he could and possibly will do well at the club. The problem is he closed the door for himself with the fans many years ago, it's not some unique case where Chelsea fans are being unreasonable. Benitez ran his mouth about our club and was then parachuted in through the back door over a club legend. Why should we be happy about it?

So essentially, Torres is your Andy Keogh?

Damned if he does, damned if he don't. Can you blame him, your club offered him the contract, this is a job where the objective is to make money at the end of the day, no person in their right mind would turn down a big juicy contract. Lukaku is a good striker but raw according to my Baggies friends. I wouldn't have Sturridge near Wolves which says something about his ability .

He won't drag you down, that'll only happen in Romans' Tit stops getting sucked. So yes, it comes across as spoilt, not all of us having £50mil to spend on a squad, let alone one bastard player.

He's not 'damned if he does, damned if he don't', Chelsea fans have been EXTREMELY supportive for Torres through 90+ games of turgid shite. He has been given a more than fair stay of execution by the fans who are now getting tired of him sulking on the pitch. As I said before, scoring goals in unimportant ties against shit teams does not a great striker make.
The reason a lot of fans would rather see Lukaku or Sturridge in the team is they at least TRY consistently. Torres just looks like he's given up. It's a massive shame and I'd be more than happy if he were to turn it around, I just don't understand why when we finally get tired of him we're accused of being somehow fickle and ungrateful after supporting him for all this time and being ridiculed for it. So to put it in your own words, Chelsea fans' support or not of Torres is 'damned if we do, damned if we don't'.

 

[Aoami]

If the Sturridge i've seen is him trying then he definitely doesnt deserve a shot

 

[Everz]

Is he really that good?

It seems to me that the new owners have run out of money (scraping the bottom of the barrel) and are buying young because young is much cheaper than proven quality.

He and Zeli are our best academy prospects. He isn't ready for the Prem yet but he most certainly will be sooner rather then later. Genuinely I'd be mortified if he was allowed to leave as he is the closest player we've had to Bully since the great man retired.

Scored a hatful in the u-21 premier league this season.

 

[Scouse]

Like Roy Hodgson at Liverpool then?

Hodgson (unintentionally) trolled the fans whilst being manager - otherwise he'd have been given a fair crack. He shot himself in the foot through his own stupidity.

Brendan Rogers is being given a fair shout - even though his results have been shite.

I just don't understand why when we finally get tired of him we're accused of being somehow fickle and ungrateful after supporting him for all this time

It turns out the time you get tired of Torres is exactly the same time that the one man who ever got anything out of him turns up at your club.

And if you look at the Rafa / Chelski history - you can see he was defending the club he was at.

I can understand Chelski fans not being particularly pleased - but booing the team from the outset - from game one - is self-defeating.

But them's the swings and roundabouts you should put up with when you have a club that buys success...

 

[Scouse]

He isn't ready for the Prem yet

That's all of your post that really mattered to me. Hope you keep him

 

[Wazzerphuk]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/t...abigail-gives-obafemi-martins-a-bj-in-public/

Balotelli's sister caught giving Obafemi Martins a blowjob in public.

\o/

 

[Vladamir]

HAHA, oh dear!

 

[megadave]

Hodgson (unintentionally) trolled the fans whilst being manager - otherwise he'd have been given a fair crack. He shot himself in the foot through his own stupidity.

Brendan Rogers is being given a fair shout - even though his results have been shite.

It turns out the time you get tired of Torres is exactly the same time that the one man who ever got anything out of him turns up at your club.

And if you look at the Rafa / Chelski history - you can see he was defending the club he was at.

I can understand Chelski fans not being particularly pleased - but booing the team from the outset - from game one - is self-defeating.

But them's the swings and roundabouts you should put up with when you have a club that buys success...

Fans had started getting tired of torres before benitez, hence the mass approval when he was finally dropped by di matteo. The fact he'll now get another extended run of being played despite being terrible just makes rafas appointment even worse.

I've heard every excuse possible regarding torres over the last 20 months but every single one has turned out to be rubbish, unequivocally. He is garbage and people have finally given up hope, watching him boot the ball 10 yards further than he can reach then falling over (assuming he doesn't instantly lose the ball) does that to you.

Ofcourse people were going to boo at that first game. The club fired a chelsea legend and hired somebody no fan likes the next day, what the fuck do you expect?

 

[Scouse]

Ofcourse people were going to boo at that first game. The club fired a chelsea legend and hired somebody no fan likes the next day, what the fuck do you expect?

I thought that was fine and predictable. But it's continued I believe - even during a 6-1 drubbing of another team - and that's counterproductive to your team's performance.

Fans had started getting tired of torres before benitez, hence the mass approval when he was finally dropped by di matteo. The fact he'll now get another extended run of being played despite being terrible just makes rafas appointment even worse

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Benitez was brought in, by your sugar-daddy owner, because your owner wants to see if his 50 million pound player can work.

And lets face it - a Torres back at 80-90% of what he was at Liverpool would be an asset to any club on the planet.

Abramovich owns the club. He bankrolls your success. If he comes to hate his uppity fans he'll pull his cash out and leave you back where you started - a medium-sized club with a medium-sized and lagging-behind fanbase.

You would think the fans would understand where the most important person in the club is coming from, what he's trying to do and then back him - if not Benitez or Torres.

Or should he just cut his 50 million losses and buy again? It's what all the spoiled fans want, isn't it?

You've become so used to "fantasy land" you don't know which side your bread is buttered any more.

 

[Aoami]

Whilst i agree with most of your post Scouse, its pretty funny coming from a Liverpool fan.

 

[Himse]

Andy Carroll springs to mind.

 

[megadave]

I don't think he hired benitez just cos of torres, it was because there's barely any available managers left to try :-P

If he left why would we go back to where we are before? He's not going to give it away is he? The buyer will have to have lots of money, even if a new owner doesn't invest like roman the clubs revenue is much bigger than before, we've got lots of young expensive players and a shit load fans, they just don't disappear overnight. It takes prolonged periods of being shit for that, as a Liverpool fan you should be realising that at the moment.

 

[Scouse]

Whilst i agree with most of your post Scouse, its pretty funny coming from a Liverpool fan.

Would that be a fan who's chairman, David Moores, sold to a couple of texan asset-strippers who were then forced out only to find the club sold to a couple of skinflints?

"Scraping the bottom of the barrel" is what Christian Purslow said about the new owners when he sold the club to them.


So yeah. From my point of view the current chelski "woes" are funny as fuck - all that shit coming out of a club with unlimited* cash



*until KGB-boy does a runner ofc...

 

[Everz]

I don't think he hired benitez just cos of torres, it was because there's barely any available managers left to try :-P

If he left why would we go back to where we are before? He's not going to give it away is he? The buyer will have to have lots of money, even if a new owner doesn't invest like roman the clubs revenue is much bigger than before, we've got lots of young expensive players and a shit load fans, they just don't disappear overnight. It takes prolonged periods of being shit for that, as a Liverpool fan you should be realising that at the moment.

They appeared overnight.

 

[Scouse]

a shit load fans, they just don't disappear overnight.

Yeah they do. They're the fans that follow Arsenal United you now because you are currently successful.

When the success dries up...

 

[DaGaffer]

The Fat Waiter's only there so Abramovich can practice his Spanish before he tries to hire Guardiola.

 

[megadave]

*until KGB-boy does a runner ofc...

Been hearing that for almost 10 years now, yet not sign of it happening, quite the opposite in fact

 

[Scouse]

Been hearing that for almost 10 years now, yet not sign of it happening, quite the opposite in fact

He's hardly going to post notice, is he?

Personally - I think there's a few rich people around the world playing football manager for real and chelski's just a plaything.

You guys are in it for the ride - so you should stop complaining - he obviously gives zero fucks about the fans and what they think.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

UEFA have totally lost the plot

http://www.football365.com/news/215...-of-cities-across-the-continent-UEFA-confirms

 

[Wazzerphuk]

John Obi Mikel gets three match ban & £60,000 fine for 'incident' after CFC v MUFC match relating to Mark Clattenburg.

 

[megadave]

So that leaves Ramires and Oriol as our only two midfielders, great stuff

 

[Vladamir]

BRING BACK MALOUDA

 

[DaGaffer]

UEFA have totally lost the plot

http://www.football365.com/news/215...-of-cities-across-the-continent-UEFA-confirms

Its actually not that surprising; its getting increasingly difficult to manage the single country/countries format as they keep expanding the size of the tournament. Only the big countries can support a 24 team tournament and these combi-country deals run by smaller countries aren't really sustainable because the hosts take too many places (look at the ridiculous 3 celtic country bid that was put forward for 2020, and the alternatives were Turkey, who've since pulled out, or Georgia-Azerbaijan), so why not turn it into a regular pan-European event?

Of course the wisdom of an "elite" football tournament that features half of the countries in Europe is another matter...

 

[Wazzerphuk]

It's more that no-one wanted it for 2020 so they've just resorted to that. They don't want Turkey to hold it (probably due to Olympics).