Football The 2011/2012 Season Thread

[Keitanz]

I'm really surprised that Norwich are still 9th.. they have been doing far better than I expected..

Sadly it looks like Bolton will probably go down at this rate no idea why but I've always liked them ;(

 

[Talivar]

That debatable decisions site says wolves have had more go for them that both arsenal and chelsea? , and the same ammount go against them.

 

[Keitanz]

Anyone catch the Jonathan Pearce + Frank Lampard interview? apparently he said something about his dead mum

 

[Vladamir]

All he said was he'd maintained top performances in spite of his mum passing away a couple of years ago, he's quite close to Frank.

 

[Keitanz]

Still a bit weird to say that though in an interview !

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Neil Warnock is disgusting. Two matches in a row he's explicitly called players/teams cheats. Then has the audacity to say Barton wouldn't react to a headbutt in that way - did he not see the hysterics in August when he got Gervinho sent off? Then Barton is on Twitter moaning about how he was "conned."

These people are shameless pricks and should be made examples of.

 

[Ch3tan]

EAch situation should be examined on it's own merits in football though Wazz, the ref and lino have clearly been conned and seem to have taken his reputation into account to do so.

Look, forget that Barton did so to Gervinho earlier this season, forget the fact that Warnock is a troll face, the real issue here is the appalling standard of refereeing this season.

The clubs need to get together and talk this out with the FA (privately), and sort this out.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Yep agree. It's been awful all round this season. It doesn't help that so many of the "top" refs have been around so long and are harder to shift as a result...

 

[Keitanz]

Referees have so much pressure on them.. but they chose to be referees so you can't feel sorry for them.... and yeah they have been quite crap this season but the only real solution is to do the same as cricket with the 3rd umpire..

Could add up to an extra 10 minutes on to the duration of matches, but it would be worth it imo if most the bad decisions were gone.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

A challenge system with automatic goalline tech is the way forward IMO.

 

[Ch3tan]

I'd say that the ref's themselves have not been too bad (Atwell the exception, he needs more time in lower leagues, he can't handle the pressure), but the lino's have been shocking, and the ref's have to trust what info they give them.

 

[Keitanz]

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Cerb]

After two years of watching the NFL every Sunday now I am positive that a challenge system could be put in place where instead of losing a time out you lost a sub. It really doesn't slow the game down much if at all really. It would add 5 minutes to the total time it takes to watch a game at most I reckon.

 

[Cadelin]

After two years of watching the NFL every Sunday now I am positive that a challenge system could be put in place where instead of losing a time out you lost a sub. It really doesn't slow the game down much if at all really. It would add 5 minutes to the total time it takes to watch a game at most I reckon.

Arrrrgh! Why is no one suggesting the obvious solution to poor decisions in football matches? How many match officials are there in an NFL game?

The referees aren't bad, it's simply impossible for one man to effectively do the job. We don't need high tech solutions we just need more pairs of eyes on the pitch.

Lets have 6 officials for each match:
1 referee per half
2 linesman
1 additional official behind the goal line at each end

Not only would this improve the decisions being made but it would hopefully reduce the amount of cheating/diving involved as players would have more people to fool.

 

[Corran]

and what if the referees disagree with decisions of the other ref?

Ref 1 books a player in their half, ref 2 disagrees
player commits a bad foul easily a yellow card in ref 2 half. Ref 2 refuses to book player due to the previous wrong booking in his mind.
player commits a foul which clearly is nothing, ref 1 sends him off because he thought he should already have been off.
etc

etc

Oh, and the behind the goal line officials. They are fucking useless twats. Think i only seen them once help a ref make the correct decision. Infact they never help with over the line decisions even though they the closest. Complete waste of space

 

[Ch3tan]

Lol at the 2 refs suggestion, just lol!

 

[ileks]

Can you imagine how bad that would be! It's bad enough when players go mad because the linesman makes a different decision to the ref.

I would like to see goal line tech and someone watching a tv for the offside calls. Judging the severity of a foul from video evidence would take too long and is still subjective at the end of the day.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Don't need to judge severity, just have say 3 or 5 "refs" (behind scene) who quickly look at footage and vote. Most wins.

 

[Cerb]

Arrrrgh! Why is no one suggesting the obvious solution to poor decisions in football matches? How many match officials are there in an NFL game?

The referees aren't bad, it's simply impossible for one man to effectively do the job. We don't need high tech solutions we just need more pairs of eyes on the pitch.

Lets have 6 officials for each match:
1 referee per half
2 linesman
1 additional official behind the goal line at each end

Not only would this improve the decisions being made but it would hopefully reduce the amount of cheating/diving involved as players would have more people to fool.

The thing is though in the NFL there is only one ref. Sure there are also 4 assistant referee's or something, but he always has final say on the field unless a coach challenges. At that point it's sent upstairs. I think it could only really work in offside/handball/penalty casses (technical fouls I guess). I agree with Wazz though you may need a majority voting system because decisions in football are also a lot less clear than they usually in the NFL.

 

[Cadelin]

and what if the referees disagree with decisions of the other ref?

Ref 1 books a player in their half, ref 2 disagrees
player commits a bad foul easily a yellow card in ref 2 half. Ref 2 refuses to book player due to the previous wrong booking in his mind.
player commits a foul which clearly is nothing, ref 1 sends him off because he thought he should already have been off.
etc

etc

Oh, and the behind the goal line officials. They are fucking useless twats. Think i only seen them once help a ref make the correct decision. Infact they never help with over the line decisions even though they the closest. Complete waste of space

You're seriously asking that question? One person will be given the final say..... Just like in any team you need someone in charge but most of the time the other members of the team can carry out their roles without intervention. It's not possible for a referee to keep up with play all the time and an awful lot of bad decision happen when the ref is 40+ meters away after a quick break. Having a second referee on the pitch for these times would be hugely beneficial.

Behind the goal line officials have not been tried properly and they should be there to watch players in the box, not just for the ball crossing the line. It would not be difficult to set up goal line technology such that a light could go on if the ball crosses the line. However the ball bouncing in and out of the goal happens a handful of times per season and is almost negligible compared to the other things going on in the box (diving, shirt pulling etc).

What is the alternative? You may suggest some challenge system but can you think of a way of implementing this without it massively changing the game?

 

[Cadelin]

Can you imagine how bad that would be! It's bad enough when players go mad because the linesman makes a different decision to the ref.

I would like to see goal line tech and someone watching a tv for the offside calls. Judging the severity of a foul from video evidence would take too long and is still subjective at the end of the day.

They go mad because they are trying to get the decision changed. Whatever system you have if someone makes a decision they don't agree with they will go to the person who can change it. If a linesman flags for offside there are normally very few complaints, even if its wrong because they know the ref won't change his mind. Its when the linesman flags for something else that players start going mad...

There is no problem with having multiple refs, as long as its well defined what their role is. In this case its clear, everything one side of the half way line is their responsibility. Yes occasionally there will be an incident on the half way line and then you would have to give the final say to one referee. But there aren't that many crucial incidents on the half way line.

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh Wenger you bitter twat. Fulham outplayed you, you wasted your chances in the first half and Djorou deserved to go. If you "saw it coming" as you claim, why not sub him off. What a nasty nasty man when he loses.

 

[ileks]

He didn't sub him off because all of their defenders are injured afaik.

That was never a second yellow either. It's not exactly gracious to complain at the end of the game but he did have a point. All managers do it. Take Warnock last week. When asked about RVP's record he goes on about how unbelievable he is at getting away with fouls. Now that's being an arsehole

 

[soze]

Complaining about the ref, and a nasty nasty man I think some perspective is needed there.

 

[Ch3tan]

It was a yellow card.

 

[Scouse]

You're all missing the point: Bad refereeing decisions is part of what makes football great.

 

[Turamber]

Oh Wenger you bitter twat ... What a nasty nasty man when he loses.

No different to Ferguson really, who blamed the referee and the pitch for losing at home to Blackburn. He failed to mention playing a winger at full back and a central defender in midfield, or even playing the worst keeper he's ever signed for the first time in months.

But it is contagious too. I would refer you to your post match summary that pointed out if you had conceded less and scored more goals you'd have won by a wide margin

 

[Ch3tan]

Heh, Turamber. I don't disagree, but Wenger is more bitter than most. Also to say neither of the bookings should have been is utterly ridiculous, lazy play from walcott and Gervinho is what lost them the game.

 

[Sydrik]

or even playing the worst keeper he's ever signed for the first time in months.

Now I'm no Man U fan but I do have two words you may wish to consider

Massimo.
Taibi.

 

[rynnor]

You're all missing the point: Bad refereeing decisions is part of what makes football great.

Personally I think its the worst thing about football - a messed up sending off can really ruin a game.