Football The 2011/2012 Season Thread

[Aoami]

I think a front 3 has to contain Rooney and another player who can play as a striker, to allow Rooney to drift back into midfield and be a creative spark when we need it. Playing Rooney as a front 1 with 2 out and out wide is a complete waste imo. I'd say a front 3 of Young/Rooney/Sturridge is probably the best option, with Sturridge playing out right/up front.

 

[Keitanz]

Germany arguement died long ago, the last time we met? 4-1.

Wow, one game, if you judge how a team is better than us based on one game, then we are better than Spain and the best team in the world.. lol

 

[Raven]

It's not one game. Germany are streets ahead of England, from the ground up. Their entire system and set up is what we should be aiming to emulate. Sure, our league is arguably the best in the world but that's meaningless for the England team. We need to change the way we play football from the little leagues and up.

We won't though, not with the clowns currently running UK football.

 

[Keitanz]

Yes, their SYSTEM is better, but not their FIRST team at the moment.

How hard is this to understand? a youth system doesn't win tournaments, a good team does.

 

[Aoami]

Their team is better than ours. How hard is that to understand?

 

[Everz]

Umm, yes it does.

Barcelona's success? Youth systems
Spain's success? Youth systems
Germany's success? Youth systems

A strong youth academy breeds success, surely you should know this with being a die-hard 'pool fan and Gerrard?

We aren't a patch on Germany, we should look to follow their example. As Raven said the change needs to be made from leagues up, instead it seems to be the opposite with the FA/Prem intent on doing the opposite. The prem is the best in the world because of the foreigners, who are the best players currently? Silva, Suarez, etc etc.

 

[soze]

With Theo on his way in the summer AOC will be getting a lot of Games for Arsenal and could push for a place in the next World Cup he is an exciting talent but not ready for the Euros.

 

[Everz]

Your sure Walcott will be sold?

 

[soze]

The noise is he has no interest in signing a new deal and it will be going into his last year so i think it will be a Nasri situation.

 

[Everz]

Heh, thing is, I can't see who else would want him, he hasn't exactly progressed.. infact he has mostly regressed.

 

[soze]

That is why I will not be upset with him going so AOC and Ryo can have a go. His passport will help him into most teams in the league though with Liverpool being my bet of a final destination.

 

[Everz]

Whats up with that Ryo, he looked pretty decent at Feyenoord last season but ain't getting much time at Arsenal?

 

[soze]

He is getting a lot of Reserve games and he looks decent but he did not stand out when given a shot in the Carling Cup (as a substitute) which has set him back a bit. He is on the slow road to the first team by the looks of things.

 

[Keitanz]

Umm, yes it does.

Barcelona's success? Youth systems
Spain's success? Youth systems
Germany's success? Youth systems

A strong youth academy breeds success, surely you should know this with being a die-hard 'pool fan and Gerrard?

We aren't a patch on Germany, we should look to follow their example. As Raven said the change needs to be made from leagues up, instead it seems to be the opposite with the FA/Prem intent on doing the opposite. The prem is the best in the world because of the foreigners, who are the best players currently? Silva, Suarez, etc etc.

What about Ajax and West Ham then? along with quite a few other clubs, nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Keitanz]

Heh, thing is, I can't see who else would want him, he hasn't exactly progressed.. infact he has mostly regressed.

Hmm last season he got 13 goals 12 assists in 33 games, an insanely good record, I couldn't find a player in the same position with a better record for last season when I checked the other week.... he has most certainly got better at crossing and beating his man in the past season.

 

[Keitanz]

Their team is better than ours. How hard is that to understand?

How is it better than ours at the moment, I'm struggling to understand, are you basing this on one game?

In fact their first team isn't exactly uber if you look at them at club level ..

 

[Calaen]

Hmm last season he got 13 goals 12 assists in 33 games, an insanely good record, I couldn't find a player in the same position with a better record for last season when I checked the other week.... he has most certainly got better at crossing and beating his man in the past season.

Nani surely plus he does kick ass mother fucking flips when he scores!

 

[Everz]

What about Ajax and West Ham then? along with quite a few other clubs, nothing is guaranteed.

Ajax won the 1995 CL with a team purely from the youth (+Litmanen), and are giants in football aswell as winning the Eredivise last season. West Ham have been financially mismanaged for many years.

 

[Raven]

How is it better than ours at the moment, I'm struggling to understand, are you basing this on one game?

In fact their first team isn't exactly uber if you look at them at club level ..

What's club level got to do with anything? The German national team is better than the England national team by a very long way. On an individual player basis then we have some better players...not many but some. That's meaningless to the national team though.

 

[Cerb]

In fact their first team isn't exactly uber if you look at them at club level ..

And right here I think is one of the main problems with people's reception of English football. You need to stop looking at players as individuals and start looking at them collectively as a team. Sure you're Gerrard's and Rooney's and Lampard's are great in the premiership every week, but that doesn't mean they will work in the system your international team plays with. The counter to that is you can pick a team of average players (seems to be your opinion, not mine at all) who collectively become greater than the sum of their parts. A good team > a group of great individuals.

 

[Everz]

How is it better than ours at the moment, I'm struggling to understand, are you basing this on one game?

In fact their first team isn't exactly uber if you look at them at club level ..

Neither is our. The Bundesliga is not far behind the Prem at all. Certainly say the likes of Bayern and Dortmund would have a field day against 'Pool.

 

[Everz]

And right here I think is one of the main problems with people's reception of English football. You need to stop looking at players as individuals and start looking at them collectively as a team. Sure you're Gerrard's and Rooney's and Lampard's are great in the premiership every week, but that doesn't mean they will work in the system your international team plays with. The counter to that is you can pick a team of average players (seems to be your opinion, not mine at all) who collectively become greater than the sum of their parts. A good team > a group of great individuals.

The above is true, much like Italy's current roster, on paper they are average, but collectively they are a strong group and a strong team.

 

[Keitanz]

Nani surely plus he does kick ass mother fucking flips when he scores!

Yeah I checked his stats cause I thought the same.. but 17 assists 13 goals in 50 games oO

 

[Keitanz]

And right here I think is one of the main problems with people's reception of English football. You need to stop looking at players as individuals and start looking at them collectively as a team. Sure you're Gerrard's and Rooney's and Lampard's are great in the premiership every week, but that doesn't mean they will work in the system your international team plays with. The counter to that is you can pick a team of average players (seems to be your opinion, not mine at all) who collectively become greater than the sum of their parts. A good team > a group of great individuals.

You won't beat Spain with just a united team.. you might get lucky with the teams you face in euros/world cup and win it, but as soon as you're against a decent team, you will get wooooooped most of the time..

All it takes for Argentina to win is for Messi to be on form, and they win, it's as simple as that sometimes.

 

[caLLous]

Rubbish, Messi is a shadow of his Barca-self when he's playing nationally, the (club) team around him helps him immensely.

 

[Cerb]

I think you are missing the point mate.

Is Messi ever off form for Barcelona? No not really.

Has he ever been on "form" for Argentina? No not really.

The players around him at Barca are what elevate him from great player to world beater.

 

[Keitanz]

Yes... and there are a few players around him at Argentina which can help him do that too, but that was just an example, a weird example, but ye.

 

[Calaen]

Yeah I checked his stats cause I thought the same.. but 17 assists 13 goals in 50 games oO

Yeah I recall you mentioning it earlier in the thread Nani's still the man though I never get the feeling watching Walcott that he is giong to do something special, yet when Nani picked that ball up against Chelsea you just knew he was capable of pulling somethign like that off.

 

[Keitanz]

Ye I know what you mean, I think Walcott's ESPN stats are broken tbh lol

 

[Everz]

You won't beat Spain with just a united team.. you might get lucky with the teams you face in euros/world cup and win it, but as soon as you're against a decent team, you will get wooooooped most of the time..

All it takes for Argentina to win is for Messi to be on form, and they win, it's as simple as that sometimes.

Messi has never turned up for Argentina simply because he can only work in that Barcelona system that takes the pressure off him. He isn't a god and can easily be made invisible (see any of Argentina's recent matches) out the game, what he needs is other players around him to take those markers off him.