Football The 2009/2010 Season Thread

[Corran]

It don't matter either way since it wouldn't of changed the outcome of the game.

5-0

how you figure that.
Of your goals 2 of them from a player that could have been sent off prior to scoring them(1st goal from him would stand).

So Chelsea would been just 1-0 with 10 men, had the ref made teh decision .

Now. Chelsea fully deserve the win... but you cant say that it would have changed the outcome as it clearly could have changed the result.

Remember, goal difference could come into play still at the end of the season also. So even if it finished 1 or 2 goals only then that could have been important also.

edit:
Not worth debating it now anyways. As it is they won easily, and it was fully expected that they would win it quite easily.
It next weekend that is the important one. Ya know, the one where Liverpool roll over for you

 

[Embattle]

how you figure that.
Of your goals 2 of them from a player that could have been sent off prior to scoring them(1st goal from him would stand).

So Chelsea would been just 1-0 with 10 men, had the ref made teh decision .

Now. Chelsea fully deserve the win... but you cant say that it would have changed the outcome as it clearly could have changed the result.

Remember, goal difference could come into play still at the end of the season also. So even if it finished 1 or 2 goals only then that could have been important also.

So I can't say that but you can claim it wasn't a goal, he would of been sent off and anything else you want to claim with your referee hat on. I've said it many times whatever you think or anyone thinks doesn't ever matter it comes down to what actually happens and so far the reality is Stoke have been slaughtered.

7-0

 

[Corran]

So I can't say that but you can claim it wasn't a goal, he would of been sent off and anything else you want to claim with your referee hat on. I've said it many times whatever you think or anyone thinks doesn't ever matter it comes down to what actually happens and so far the reality is Stoke have been slaughtered.

7-0

See my edit.

will just add. You cant claim it wouldnt affect the result. You seriously think Chelsea can win 7-0 with just 10 men.. then feel free to think it. But clearly you in lala land in my opinion

 

[Embattle]

See my edit.

will just add. You cant claim it wouldnt affect the result. You seriously think Chelsea can win 7-0 with just 10 men.. then feel free to think it. But clearly you in lala land in my opinion

Nor can you claim it would, you are welcome to carry on your Tony Pulis impression if you want but as I stated it matters not what your opinion is since the result isn't affected by it in any way...nor mine.

 

[megadave]

when he went in, sorensen was no where near which is probably the main factor.

anyway, 7-0. Not too bad, missed a few sitters though

 

[Ormorof]

west ham only need to concede 25ish goals and hull beat Wigan and Liverpool... it could happen....

 

[Embattle]

when he went in, sorensen was no where near which is probably the main factor.

anyway, 7-0. Not too bad, missed a few sitters though

It'll matter more next week when away from home.

 

[Corran]

missed a few sitters though

Maludo probably made the miss of the season. lol

west ham only need to concede 25ish goals and hull beat Wigan and Liverpool... it could happen....

West ham conceed 14/15, and Hull win their last 2 games by 5 or 6 goals.. Easy for them

 

[Vladamir]

Good that we've got back to winning ways after last weeks horror show.

Next week we get to play before United - maybe the mind-games rollercoaster can go the other way with us winning at Anfield before United go to Sunderland.

 

[Turamber]

Screw you guys at the top, its all about fourth place. Huge, massive, incredible beast of a game next week at Eastlands. So tempted to go, but so doubting we'll pull it off...

 

[Turamber]

View topic - new jersey - first look... kinda :: VillaTalk ::

For you United fans.

 

[Gray]

Stephen Ireland 'building a shark tank under his kitchen floor' - MirrorFootball.co.uk

Someone smack him over the head.

 

[Corran]

Well if they aint fake.. the away kit is better than the home kit.

 

[cHodAX]

Stephen Ireland 'building a shark tank under his kitchen floor' - MirrorFootball.co.uk

Someone smack him over the head.

The guy is a dick, it doesn't suprise me. Another big time charlie football who often doesn't turn up when it matters most but is happy to ask for the big wages.

 

[Turamber]

Stephen Ireland 'building a shark tank under his kitchen floor' - MirrorFootball.co.uk

Someone smack him over the head.

Poor chap. He's not been the same since his grannies died three times

 

[Cerb]

Wish we had him back playing for Ireland though we lack any creativity in midfield because trappa refuses to play andy reid because of that stupid argument they had

 

[megadave]

the bit at the top is win.

What a terrible competition, nonsensical it is.

Here's the team of the season.

Hart; Ivanovic, Dunne, Vermaelen, Evra; Valencia, Fabregas, Fletcher, Milner; Rooney, Drogba

No idea how Valencia and Fletcher are in there.

 

[Raven]

I think Liverpool will really go for it against Chelsea next week, 2 points off 4th they can't really not do.

 

[Embattle]

I've now seen the second goal and I'm sorry but stop trying to make it out that it was some serious foul, it again was just regrettable that the goalkeeper got injured as bad as he did but he just dived into it late and thus never got a touch on the ball and just caught Kalou on the follow through. The absolute most it could of been is a foul and the goal disallowed but nothing more apart from those who wanted it to be more.

As for the 3rd well Huth was just stupid and Kalou sadly does what all players do and finally goes down inside the box.

Malouda miss was just LOL.

Lampard's goal was simple but impressive non the less.

 

[Embattle]

I think Liverpool will really go for it against Chelsea next week, 2 points off 4th they can't really not do.

Perhaps but they lack teeth to some degree and it really is 2 points off with one game extra technically, it'll be Chelsea playing crap away from home again that loose it for them.

 

[eksdee]

if kalou should have been sent off for going for a ball that sorrensen didn't even have a hand on, then stephen hunt should have been flayed and burnt at the stake for what he did to petr cech when cech had two hands on the ball.

 

[Corran]

The lunging in 2 footed with leading studs that is the problem.

This was one of the things that refs were told to instantly send a player off for, no matter the circumstances, due to the number of injuries in recent seasons these kind of challenges involve.

It does not matter that the keeper dived late. If that was an outfield player coming in "late" with a one footed tackle (instead of 1 hand), and Kalou went in and connected with the guys foot/leg after playing the ball then in 99% of the times he would have seen a red card.

Im just going by what the refs been told too, and have been, doing this season. And under them circumstances it should be red.
I actually think the fact that it was a keepers arm, and not a leg, which made the decision that it wasnt a red card.

This is basically a case of the FA and referees not showing consistancy in their decisions. But then this is seen in every game. A penalty is not given for a foul, then an identical foul is made outside the box and a freekick is always awarded. Referees are scared of the "weak penalty" arguement.

Same as defenders pulling shirts on set pieces.
Referee's should stop warning people, let the freekick be taken and then instantly give a penalty. THey would give a freekick for the shirt pulling so should not worry about giving the penalties... but they cower from it.

Sure there may be 5-6 penalties a game on one weekend if players are slow to understand. But I tell you what, wait a couple of weeks and you wont see them doing it every setpiece

 

[Embattle]

Your opinion is just weak on Kalou's goal which is seeing some interesting comments from around the web, naturally a lot of noise from those in the Man U etc camps about it and shockingly less from the Stoke camp. The fact is any striker would of gone for the ball with such a spill and the ball ending up in open play, both Kalou and Thomas Sorensen went for it and Sorensen ended up worse with the result he dislocated his elbow.

You've some valid points but using this as an example for them isn't something that fits well together in my opinion.

 

[eksdee]

BBC Sport - Football - Injured Sorensen may miss Denmark's World Cup campaign

notice how there's not even mention that it could have been a foul, and also more importantly the fact that he suffered the same injury before.

 

[Corran]

BBC Sport - Football - Injured Sorensen may miss Denmark's World Cup campaign

notice how there's not even mention that it could have been a foul, and also more importantly the fact that he suffered the same injury before.

Dont trust the BBC reporters. Remember the BBC have lost their only decent sports guy to ITV

Missing the world cup, that is harsh.

And lets just agree to disagree on the matter. I feel it was reckless with the way he went in 2 footed whilst off the ground (ie he lunged). And that I think it clear doing that in a challenge in open play will result in sending offs etc no matter the circumstances.

Cant remember the game, think it was Liverpool vs Everton.
Liverpool defender lunged in 2 footed off the ground. Everton player (sideshow bob Fellani iirc), actually came in over the ball with studs leading.
Fellani studded the liverpool players calf then turned his ankle over and was injuried and needed subbed.
The Liverpool player got the straight red card, even though he didnt make contact with the player, and it was infact the other way round. Rightfully his tackle was deemed reckless and dangerous.

I would even have supported the action taken, even if it was against Man Utd player. But now precident is set, I can use it to argue that it shouldnt be punished if you go 2 footed onto a loose ball that the keeper will clearly dive to try get

 

[megadave]

Except you are referring to completely circumstances.

 

[Corran]

Except you are referring to completely circumstances.

really, you dont say!

Honestly why make a post like that which adds nothing to anything.
I was merely pointing out that the precedent set by referees in the past is that 2 footed lunges are red card no matter circumstances. You can be fouled yourself whilst carrying it out (i believe the greek guy won the ball there as well but cant be sure), however due to the dangerous nature of a 2 footed lunge (no way to pull out/control self) it is a red card offense.

Sure you could get away with it if there no player anywhere near you, but when a player is close and is going to be challenging for same ball as the lunger then an offense is committed.

I think we going to go in circles here. So may as well stop, as it getting as boring as talking to the chimps that attend scottish matches

 

[Ch3tan]

The Blues defender took man and ball. Moreover the ball was only knocked into Gabby's path, so if he hadn't been fouled by the trailing leg he'd have moved onto the ball in a goal scoring position.

Clear penalty. Stop letting Andy Gray form your football opinions for you. I don't know what you'd do if you actually went to a game, my gosh, having to make up your own opinions! OMG!

Go go assumption boy. You really are an arrogant arse turamber.

 

[Wonk]

BBC Sport - Football - Injured Sorensen may miss Denmark's World Cup campaign

it made me quite sad yesterday - we'll only finish 2nd now

 

[Embattle]

Dont trust the BBC reporters. Remember the BBC have lost their only decent sports guy to ITV

Missing the world cup, that is harsh.

And lets just agree to disagree on the matter. I feel it was reckless with the way he went in 2 footed whilst off the ground (ie he lunged). And that I think it clear doing that in a challenge in open play will result in sending offs etc no matter the circumstances.

Cant remember the game, think it was Liverpool vs Everton.
Liverpool defender lunged in 2 footed off the ground. Everton player (sideshow bob Fellani iirc), actually came in over the ball with studs leading.
Fellani studded the liverpool players calf then turned his ankle over and was injuried and needed subbed.
The Liverpool player got the straight red card, even though he didnt make contact with the player, and it was infact the other way round. Rightfully his tackle was deemed reckless and dangerous.

I would even have supported the action taken, even if it was against Man Utd player. But now precident is set, I can use it to argue that it shouldnt be punished if you go 2 footed onto a loose ball that the keeper will clearly dive to try get

The difference being a two footed tackle in it's very definition requires someone to actually have the ball, plus like you said earlier it may also be because it was his arms. I agree it appears two footed but I don't agree about your interpretation of it and in this case nor did the ref. I should also point out that there is some talk that the damage Thomas Sorensen got may of been self inflicted, although it is hard to tell without lots of slowmo replays.

Again the real problem is we score loads of goals in one game then often seem to make it hard in the games afterwards.