Thane changes must be some kind of joke.

[Cush]

Originally posted by scarffs
T o arawem : Ermm my savage has got 2142hp with purple buffs and capped sc template. I agree on a lot of points, but not that one

My savage got 22** Hp and its a kobold and with no aug con/toughness so you cant have all capped

Or maybe i get buffs from higher rr buffbots

 

[Lumikki]

It's a start... best we can hope for really

xx

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Originally posted by old.ivan
Make thane AoE DDs unable to break mezz then they would be uber imo

I NEVER thought an alb would say that

And aye, it would be uber, thats why mythic wont give it to midgard

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by GrivneKelmorian
I NEVER thought an alb would say that

And aye, it would be uber, thats why mythic wont give it to midgard

You mean like how they didn't give Midgard Savages, and BDs, and AE stun, and Healers etc...

...oh wait...

 

[scarffs]

Originally posted by Cush
My savage got 22** Hp and its a kobold and with no aug con/toughness so you cant have all capped

Or maybe i get buffs from higher rr buffbots

Mine is a Valkyn with no aug con/toughness and this is with moa2 on buffs, cant say how much with moa3.
Does the rr from a bot chnage anything ? Didnt think so, apart from more points for more moa.

 

[Maleg_Grumpton]

Originally posted by arawem
I´m full str and const caped, and i have 50 +12 in my weapon spec, now full buffed (342 str and 340 const) I have 1490 in WeaponSkill and 2100 hps (think that I have augmented const 3 and thoughtnes 2), well that makes me have same weapon skill than any NON BUFFED melee class and 100 more hps than a NON BUFFED warrior/savage/zarker.

Agree with most of what you're saying however you detract from it with the above. I have Kobbie Savage - Capped Con and Hits HP is ~ 1500 NON BUFFED, guess Trolls / Norse Might have 1700 and Dwarfs 1800 without buffs? H2H Weaponskill is about 1450 ish with poors ish buffs (yellow Str/Con, blue Dex/Quick)

 

[old.logun]

giving thanes the same end chant that paladins have is a nice idea but

you gotta think what it will do to warriors i mean look at armsman how many armsman are kicking around compared to paladins these days?

 

[old.Noita]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
You mean like how they didn't give Midgard Savages, and BDs, and AE stun, and Healers etc...

...oh wait...

And Spiritmasters (Compare to Chanters - best pet class in game)
And Warriors (Compare to Heroes - best pure tank in game)
And Skalds (Compare to Bards with insta cc's, speed, heal, rezz, power regen, end regen etc etc - utility class anyone?)
And Zerkers (Compare with BMs)
And Thanes (Compare with Champions LMFAO)

Baseline stun for Ments, Elds, Chanters
Two power regen classes in Hibernia (and Albion) compared to one in Midgard
Group Purge, StT, BaoD, DotV

As much as I like you Dook, and do miss you in Midgard still. I think its time for you to get off your high horse and stop trying to turn every single thread into an avenue for your own increasingly rabid (and now boring) evangelical crusade.

 

[aveh]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
You mean like how they didn't give Midgard Savages, and BDs, and AE stun, and Healers etc...

...oh wait...

i genuinely think that the world would be a better place if you just went ahead and died (quietly, and without a "I'm about to die and it's midgards fault post" too) ...

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by scarffs
Mine is a Valkyn with no aug con/toughness and this is with moa2 on buffs, cant say how much with moa3.
Does the rr from a bot chnage anything ? Didnt think so, apart from more points for more moa.

what i meant with higher rr bb.. more moa

 

[old.mattshanes]

Give Thanes Hybrid ws.
Give Thanes Hybrid hp.
Give Thanes End Regen.

Remove it from Shamans
Remove aoe mezz from healer but keep instant aoe mezz.

Give aoe mezz to runies.
Give skald an ablative chant too.

Not sure how people would respond to that but it would make 2 more classes in mid more viable in rvr groups and those playing them more happier.

 

[dunderklumpen]

Not that its directly to this topic id like to give a general tip

My advice to anyone starting a new char. Start the char that is LEAST played and most hated of all. You are likely to be the new ÛBER char when dinged 50. (why i made a cabby like a year ago, not that i ever lvled it to 50 but anyways )

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

AoE mez for runies w00t!
That's what I'd call balancing.

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Give Thanes Hybrid ws.
Give Thanes Hybrid hp.
Give Thanes End Regen.

Remove it from Shamans
Remove aoe mezz from healer but keep instant aoe mezz.

Give aoe mezz to runies.
Give skald an ablative chant too.

Not sure how people would respond to that but it would make 2 more classes in mid more viable in rvr groups and those playing them more happier.

You mean turn mid into alb?

 

[old.mattshanes]

That's the only bad point it would be similar but at the moment there is hard ways to adjust mid classes to fit rvr groups often(except for thanes/skalds) if mythic use their fucking brains.Though when 2 runies in a group(48 rc?) one that debuffs and other nukes with assist they can be very good, it's a shame really that pbaoe is the best defence for a caster nowadays.

 

[scarffs]

Its true that two runies working together can be effective, but not against enemies who know what they're doing and come interrupt them. Very good when you're winning already to rack up kills and at milegates/keeps, but in open ground, naaah...

Nice suggestions though.

 

[Derric]

Remove Determination and cheap Purge from Savages and give it to Thanes.

 

[Petronella]

I'd like that ;o)

 

[krill-nyd]

Well, I like the changes so much, I just don't experience a thane being as terrible as others do and these will certainly help. It's obvious though that being group friendly remains a big problem.

However, it looks like at present the test implementation reduces Thors Lightning (in the test done from 301 down to 280) and Toothgnasher damage (in the test from 228-212). Yep, two nerfs for thanes which we'll have to hope are removed before the patch goes live.

I've put the testing in below, but it's from: http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=56423330&page=6

Testing of Thane Changes

Thane LvL 50
Rank 5 Lvl 8
Spec
48+4 SC
42+15 Hammer
42+15 Shield

My target for the testing was a level 49 Kobald Shaman with ZERO resists for a solid baseline assessment. I completed the testing on both my live server and on pendragon to compare the results of the changes to the Stormcalling Line.

Toothgnarsher’s Ram

Pre-Patch

[10:32:02] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[10:32:02] You hit for 228 (-12) damage!
[10:32:33] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[10:32:33] You hit for 228 (-12) damage!
[10:33:09] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[10:33:33] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[10:34:18] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[10:34:18] You hit for 228 (-12) damage!


Post Patch

[11:15:03] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[11:15:03] You hit for 212 (-11) damage!
[11:15:24] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[11:15:24] You hit for 212 (-11) damage!
[11:15:49] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[11:15:49] You hit for 212 (-11) damage!
[11:16:10] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[11:16:10] You hit for 212 (-11) damage!
[11:16:32] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[11:16:32] You hit for 212 (-11) damage!
[11:16:53] You cast a Toothgnasher's Ram Spell!
[11:16:53] You hit for 212 (-11) damage!

Hello Undocumented Change, thanks!

Greater Thunder Roar

Pre-Patch

[10:40:22] You hit Tryggja for 136 (-7) damage!
[10:40:48] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[10:40:48] You hit Tryggja for 136 (-7) damage!
[10:41:10] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[10:41:10] You hit Tryggja for 136 (-7) damage!
[10:41:34] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[10:41:34] You hit Tryggja for 136 (-7) damage!
[10:42:02] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[10:42:02] You hit Tryggja for 136 (-7) damage!

Post Patch

[11:20:49] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[11:20:49] Findaoigh resists the effect!
[11:21:14] Findaoigh casts a spell!
[11:21:14] Findaoigh starts healing faster.
[11:21:16] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[11:21:16] You hit Findaoigh for 210 (-11) damage!
[11:21:43] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[11:21:43] Findaoigh resists the effect!
[11:22:05] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[11:22:05] You hit Findaoigh for 210 (-11) damage!
[11:22:41] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[11:22:41] You hit Findaoigh for 210 (-11) damage!
[11:23:11] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[11:23:11] You hit Findaoigh for 210 (-11) damage!
[11:23:43] You cast a Greater Thunder Roar Spell!
[11:23:43] You hit Findaoigh for 210 (-11) damage!

Reasonable change and nice power reduction. All spell were cast standing on top of the target on the Z axis.

Thor’s Full Lightning

Pre-Patch

[10:54:15] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[10:54:17] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[10:54:17] You hit for 301 (-16) damage!
[10:54:34] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[10:54:36] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[10:54:36] You hit for 301 (-16) damage!
[10:54:38] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[10:54:40] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[10:54:40] You hit for 301 (-16) damage!
[10:54:43] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[10:54:45] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[10:54:45] You hit for 301 (-16) damage!
[10:55:17] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[10:55:18] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[10:55:18] You hit for 301 (-16) damage!

Post Patch

[11:26:34] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[11:26:34] You hit for 280 (-15) damage!
[11:26:36] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[11:26:38] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[11:26:38] You hit for 280 (-15) damage!
[11:26:45] Findaoigh casts a spell!
[11:26:45] Findaoigh starts healing faster.
[11:27:05] Your character has been saved.
[11:27:17] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[11:27:18] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[11:27:19] You hit for 280 (-15) damage!
[11:27:20] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[11:27:22] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[11:27:22] You hit for 280 (-15) damage!
[11:27:25] You begin casting a Thor's Full Lightning spell!
[11:27:27] You cast a Thor's Full Lightning Spell!
[11:27:27] You hit for 280 (-15) damage!

UMMM, another undocumented change. Please, like we would not notice a change to the ONE spell that can be used at range in RVR by the Thane. Did you really need to reduce this damage?

Command Mjollnir Spell

Pre-Patch

[10:58:21] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[10:58:24] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[10:58:24] Tryggja resists the effect!
[10:58:25] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[10:58:27] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[10:58:27] You hit for 280 (-15) damage!
[10:58:29] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[10:58:32] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[10:58:32] Tryggja resists the effect!
[10:58:33] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[10:58:36] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[10:58:36] You hit for 280 (-15) damage!

Post Patch

[11:28:43] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[11:28:45] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[11:28:45] You hit for 303 (-16) damage!
[11:28:51] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[11:28:54] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[11:28:54] You hit for 303 (-16) damage!
[11:29:03] Findaoigh casts a spell!
[11:29:05] Findaoigh casts a spell!
[11:29:05] Findaoigh starts healing faster.
[11:29:39] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[11:29:41] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[11:29:41] You hit for 303 (-16) damage!
[11:29:42] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[11:29:45] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[11:29:45] You hit for 303 (-16) damage!
[11:29:56] Findaoigh casts a spell!
[11:29:58] Findaoigh casts a spell!
[11:30:07] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[11:30:09] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[11:30:09] You hit for 303 (-16) damage!
[11:30:10] You begin casting a Command Mjollnir spell!
[11:30:13] You cast a Command Mjollnir Spell!
[11:30:13] You hit for 303 (-16) damage!

 

[arawem]

So ur trying to say that we are going to do even less damage with the single target dds??????

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Now repeat that u like the changes, plz.

 

[krill-nyd]

<coughs> Yes I think I'll rephrase that. Assuming that those nerfs are a mistake and are fixed so bolts stay as they were, I think those changes are ok. Not everything, not totally fixed etc., but good even changes.

 

[-ElemenT-]

It's a small fix but still not enough to get mine out of retirement.

 

[froler-mid]

i say delete the thane class and give old thanes a free /level 50.

 

[-ElemenT-]

Just /respec savage and I'm happy.

 

[Nonnier]

its a start, but no where near what thanes need.

there is zero point in playing my thane when my BD can do everything that my thane do, just a heck of a lot better (except AE, but i never use mjollnir on reinnon).

instas, best spell in the SC line atm, but it is still pretty crap

tanking, my BD is better, he has more hits buffed then Reinnon unbuffed, thats not right.

only good thing is the improved str/con buff.

i hope mythric adds more to this patch consurning thanes

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Poor thanes... mid has the best melee class, and the worst...

anything can beat a thane, and i dont understand why his base class is 'viking'... anything can beat that gimp in melee...

 

[Lubricador]

thanes are overpowered

 

[Solid]

Krill that dudes testing was skewed by relics.

TFL has not been reduced.

Only damage change is to Mjollnir and Thunder Roar, both upwards, 18% and 70% respectively i believe.

 

[Laston]

rr3 L7 (saving for purge so i got mcl serenity twf and aug acity)
celt using epic and blade 39 blade 12-x parry 16 reg 49 nur
beat a troll hammer/shield thane rr4 (eldig vakten) came two mids but they spared me

 

[IronlungDTP]

Who cares if i'm a gimp - I love playing a Thane.
That's all there is to say