TG Raids in the future !!!!!!

[Albbasher]

Dear Mids,

Don't join any Tg Raids by Darkspirits.

why ??

1) No leadership at all

2) You work your ass off...and he claims UBER loots. And we are talking about a "leader" that had to ask for direction to TG.

Simple as that.

Best regards

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Albbasher 50 Skald NP

Dundee 50 SB NP

Taxx 50 Hunter

Drezz 40 Warrior SoP
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[minime_]

Can only agree, that guy sucks in all aspects of leading a raid.

 

[uglymug]

hehe... then know that he also goes by the name of ruathan (or how ever it's spelled)

 

[ulke]

Well, claiming Ozur's shadow ring, the one item that 90% of everyone wanted makes ppl grumpy, and that includes me

 

[Garh Khartari]

Hey I rather go on a raid with poor leadership than not go on one at all.
And I personally think he handeled it fine, can't tell about the lotto this time though, as my connection crashed and couldn't get on until now.
However I find it fair that he once every 4th raid gets to chose a drop, cause really, its loads of work.

Just organize your own raids if you think Ruathans raids sucks, mkay?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Albbasher
Dear Mids,

Don't join any Tg Raids by Darkspirits.

why ??

1) No leadership at all

2) You work your ass off...and he claims UBER loots. And we are talking about a "leader" that had to ask for direction to TG.

Simple as that.

Best regards

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Albbasher 50 Skald NP

Dundee 50 SB NP

Taxx 50 Hunter

Drezz 40 Warrior SoP
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If you dont like it, then stick to your NP raids that noone else gets invited to anyways (yeah really nice, dont invite othr to your raids, and tell others not to go on public raids lol). Sure go ahead and vent your oppinion, but until I have seen you do anything better, I for one wont give a shit about what you think about Ruas raids. If everyone had listened, there would have been any problem, but there is your problem right there. Everyone knows best themselves, so noone listens.

 

[minime_]

Ill arrange a raid and just get other peps to lead the way, and in the end ill take the best items for all my efforts.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by minime_
Ill arrange a raid and just get other peps to lead the way, and in the end ill take the best items for all my efforts.

Items? He claimed 1. And go ahead and arrange the raid then, talking here wont get people to TG.

 

[minime_]

Me sentence is the truth if you change items to item, and no i dont wanna be such a lameass, so i wont arrange one. I dont know my way around there osv, only been there 2 times.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by minime_
Me sentence is the truth if you change items to item, and no i dont wanna be such a lameass, so i wont arrange one. I dont know my way around there osv, only been there 2 times.

Well the moral can prolly be discussed back and forth forever, but arranging a raid is shit, holding the lotto is really shit, and hearing people whine about it really dont make you feel like arranging more raids.

I think we should be happy to have someone arrange raids for us, since noone else seem to lift a finger (no, I dont do shit either to arrange a big raid, but I come on the raids and I follow the rules and I dont bitch about it afterwards).

If you dont like it thats fine, your oppinion, which you are entitled to, but to try to get other people not to go on the raids cause you didnt like it is pretty damn lame if you ask me. Especially if you are not willing to arrange raids yourself.

 

[gorfig]

i agree with albbasher. that was a lame raid he even died on the way to tg and fyi noaim. me and albbasher will try to get some TG raids going. we will arrange them and NOT claim drops.

//
Gorfig [Nolby Pride]

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by gorfig
i agree with albbasher. that was a lame raid he even died on the way to tg and fyi noaim. me and albbasher will try to get some TG raids going. we will arrange them and NOT claim drops.

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Gorfig [Nolby Pride]

Cool, I´ll gladly attend, and obey

 

[minime_]

Plz tell me where i at anytime encouraged people not to join the raid another time?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by minime_
Plz tell me where i at anytime encouraged people not to join the raid another time?

Well, part of your reply to first post was "Can only agree" could very well be read as that you agree, dont go on raids by Rua, and no only the part about him being a bad leader, which I suppose was what you really agreed to.

However, that last part was meant for Albbasher, just landed under my quote of you.

I can tell you that I didnt like Ruas first lottoes very much, but did I go here to whine about it? No, I pm´ed him, and told him what I didnt like about it, very simple.

Last raids lotto was prolly the smoothest lotto I ever been on, this raids got a bit chaotic tho but with that many people being tired, wanting to go to bed, and so on, no wonder it gets chaotic is it?

One thing however that was awesome on last raid, that wasnt on this, was that he made a macro saying stats on every drop, as soon as they were handed in to him. This was prolly what made the lotto run so smooth, was missing that today, but I am sure he will use it again next raid.

 

[minime_]

The first raid i was on was arranged by someone i dont remember, he was abit inexperienced regarding lotto, so Rauthan helped him out. That lotto was great, and i dunno why Rauthan didnt use the same rules this time.

 

[Jerelyn]

to be honest, if i were to arrange a raid, i'd claim one of the items for myself if i needed it. dunno if Ruathian told from the beginning that he wanted that item for leading the raid. but i'd surely do that, to avoid the upcoming whining. cause if ppl were unsatidfied with me taking this one item, then they shouldn't join in the raid at all.
as for being able to find the entrance to Tuscaran Glacier, i'd never be able to find my way there, so i'd ofc. ask some wise guy for help. as for leading the raid, i think i'd be woman enough to get my voice through in one way or another.

i didn't attend Ruathians Raid myself, so i can't say wether it was a good or a bad raid, but i'm pretty sure i couldn't have done it better myself.

so ppl, if you're not satidfied with how the raid is being held, then just don't attend in the future, and make your own raids.

-Jerelyn

 

[horil]

I hardly go to raids, but imo the leader who ORGANIZED the raid should know the place. Not giving good image of the leader either. Bad leadership reminds me my first trip to malmo.

Oh well not that I blame anyone, but least you can do is know the place well.

 

[Vell]

The raid itself wasn't so bad. There was a slight problem at the beginning where a lot of us were stood around waiting for late arrivals (one of which was the raid leader, yes).

But the actual raid went pretty smoothly.

The lottery, however, was a shambles. Ruathian himself knows this, and doesn't need us to point it out to him. What would be better is if we posted constructive ways to improve it for next time.

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And my first bit of advice is, when you have as many drops as we had, do the lottery on a forum, not in-game. Several people voted for drops 6 or 7 times at least, and there was no way to make sure they didn't, given the number of people and drops. Also, a 2-3 hour raid followed by a 4 hour lottery is a bit silly - a forum lottery is the only way to avoid this.

Next bit of advice - as Noaim said - make a macro for all the drops, and state the stats of all of them before doing the lottery. Otherwise people ending up rolling for 1 drop when actually they wanted a different one more.

Thirdly - give everyone 1 vote. Not 1 vote for some classes and 2 votes for others. That was a silly idea. Some classes didn't have a 'class specific' item drop, and therefore only got 1 vote, whereas classes who had class-specific drops got 2. This obviously wound people up.

Next - make the chat group leader-only speak when doing the lottery. Get rid of that rubbish - it only delayed the lottery more.

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Finally - if you say at the beginning of the raid that you will claim an axe (either 1h or 2h) - don't go ahead and claim a ring afterwards. That will just wind people up, as seen.

 

[raithian]

fact 1
at start of raid i said i will not enter lotto as i never do but as it was my 10th raid id like to nominate one of 3 drops for myself

thay where 1 handed left axe or a right hand axe or a ring for my zerker

no one objected when i asked ppl actualy said yes about time

the rings has 3o cons 22 dex 22 str 15 quick that to me is a zerker ring as i had asked for from the start

as for the lotto that was the idea surgested by np to try well it suck big time what a stupid way to lotto but ppl wanted to try it but its to compliacted to stupid

my own lotto system is way better name all drops numbered 1-?
ppl then decide what item thay wish to go for and i say ring number 1 ppl line up random 100 highest wins dead easy and simple but np wanted to try a new way and it failed badle

as for the raid itself unless ppl shut up and listen you cant do a dam thing when you have idiots runing off or ppl sticking then geting unstuck and holding up raid either you kick them from raid (thats unfair) or you wait

now if you look at todays raid that person has nominated the best hammer there is this his secound raid and he allready picks item good on him i waited untill after my 10th raid to pick item and i think it was 5th raid before i entered into lotto for a drop

next time read what is said at start of raid the ring was one of the 3 items i said id like to pick if it droped and i belive it was the only one of the 3 i nominated that actualy droped

so yet again np fuck up slaging ppl off just caaus thay failed to read the rules at the start of the raid

10 raids about 240 drops and i take 1 thats what .4% of drops

tome it seamed a fair deal 10th raid i nominated the ring as item i wonted if it not drop then id have to wait another 5 raids before i nominated another drop i wanted

so np go do tg yourself or get out of emain and plan one yourself but i bet you take what ever drop you wantt first time

and vell at start of raid i nominated 3 drops left axe right handed axe or ring for zerker and hay no left axes droped and axe that did had 6 axe 4 sheild)that not a zerker axe) and the ring droped and as it was one of 3 items id said id like to claim i claimed it when i asked at start if this a problem not one said no

its only now after raid that ppl (from 1 guild only) bitching at me claiming a drop maybe next time thay open those mouths thay love to use and say somthing at start of raid not after)

 

[etcetra]

Well - im sure your such a good and fair raid-leader.
Now, wheres the Legion-Drops you robbed from White Rose?
What about giving them back? Ohh no, you said: i no WR, i wo give drop WR.

FOAD ;|||

 

[raithian]

talk to your gm he offered to give me them all as a gift i can send you the chat log if you want with ladoona saying to me keep the drops
i refused to hand them in as at the time ladonna stated only those in wr could eneter for the drops those that had left was not alowed even tho thay was on the raid and those who had joined wr after raid can enter i informed your gm that unless he alowed all who went on raid regardless if thay in wr or not to eneter then i will not hand them in his politly reply f you keep them all then as no none wr can enter for the drops
i thought it was rather nivce of him to give me all the drops but na not need that crap so handed a few out to wr who was on the raids some still in wr other who had left as your gm refused to do a lotto(3 times it was set 3 times wr never turned up) so i gave them to ppl whom i new was there even tryed to vall you a few times for the hammer you wanted.
so if you have a problem ask ladonna why he failed to inform guild 3 times of the lotto dates and times in the end i did lotto with those who i could find and called them to join for lotto as i got tired of waiting for ladonna to set a new date and time(5 bloody weeks) how hard can it be to set a date and time

 

[Albbasher]

Ruathan/Raithain/Darkspirits.


YOU SIR.....ARE A JOKE.

Get your facts right plz, let me remind you that I was in your group on that TG raid...so I know what you say'd "behind closed doors". But im not gonna waste more time on you...it's just a shame that so many fine ppl worked hard..and you din't give a shit about them in the end.

And....why drag Nolby Pride into this?? I told you this was strickly between you and my and had nothing to do with Nolby Pride in general since only 3 of us was there.

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Albbasher 50 Skald NP

Dundee 50 SB NP

Taxx 50 Hunter

Drezz 40 Warrior SoP
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[mida]

Originally posted by Albbasher
Ruathan/Raithain/Darkspirits.


YOU SIR.....ARE A JOKE.

Get your facts right plz, let me remind you that I was in your group on that TG raid...so I know what you say'd "behind closed doors". But im not gonna waste more time on you...it's just a shame that so many fine ppl worked hard..and you din't give a shit about them in the end.

And....why drag Nolby Pride into this?? I told you this was strickly between you and my and had nothing to do with Nolby Pride in general since only 3 of us was there.

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I was also in that group, now ofcourse u can mean pm's by u saying "behind closed dors" but from my chat logg as i always do on such raids! The most talking/whining is from u, the only active talking from Darkspirit's side is at the start as he managed to get killed on the way to TG! Now it should be said that i left before the lotto ended, as i find such things boring, so it might have accured after that, but that i cant answear! Oh and he did nominate 3 dropps at start, one was a ring, and further it seemed that no one objected to it when stated, as for pm's i cant say!

 

[raithian]

ok for the thick person who cant seam to read

at the start of the raid i nominated 3 items and said if any of the 3 drop id like to claim one for myself as it was my 10 raid

those items where

left axe
right handed axe
and a ring for my zerker

lets see what droped

did an axe drop

o yes an axe did drop
6axe 4 sheild
is that a zerker axe urm i dont think so
did an axe for right hand drop urm nop
did a ring a zerker can use drop
well lets see 30 cons 15 quick 22 str 22 dex can a zerker use this ring urm hard one thaT
does a zerker need cons YES

does a zerker need quickness YES

does a zerker need str yes

does a zerker need dex YES


o and what char was i useing on raid o yea a ZERKER wow what a suprise then i nominated 3 drops a zerker can use what a strok of luck to nominate 3 drops that a zerker can use

fact it i nominated those 3 drops and the only one that droped was ring thats life get over it gro up act your age and not like a 2 year old
the item was nominated at start no one objected i even renominated them when we goto tg and yet again no one objected
let me put it another way
if the ring had not droped and as allways i dont enter lottos at end would you have posted her that i should have picked an item for myself or would you have as you are started to slag me off urm na i think not


as for your closed door remark im rather interested as to what you claim i said
as i have just recived a vopy of a chat log from someone in our group and after we started raid it does not show me talking in group
i wounder why you are stiring up so much bull now i remeber a raid where np ran it and claimed the best drop after raid i claimed the drop before the raid even started with 260 drops in tg the odds that ring droped ws about .3% the oss that any of the 3 droped was .9% so i played the longest dam odds anyone can play i had less chance of geting nothing than anyone els there as i have only 1 time entered for a drop formyself in lotto and i lost it so to me a .9% chance for a drop is not bad there was 70 ppl on raid 34 drops every one but me had a 40% chance for somthing i had .9% i just got lucky this raid would you be here moaning if i left with nothing would you be saying o you should have claimed something

 

[evilknight]

The hunt was fun. but the lotto was crap, never do a lotto with 20+ items, it's just too much.
And some of the NP members only fucked the lotto up even more.

And Raithian, I think alot of people missunderstood(sp?) you, many thought you wanted a ring with +LA or an axe.

 

[old.Rei Ayanami]

Post your precious chatlogs with us, because you are so full of bullshit they smell it in China. I wasn't on the raid but i feel with the people you cheated by taking that ring. Were there not other zerkers on the raid? Alot of people are upset due to your actions, i suggest you find some kind of way to fix this for your own sake. Because the number of people in midgard starting to hate you more and more is increasing. So far all the things you've told me in "discussions" are utterly bullshit. You are lying because you have no valid arguments. If you want to be treated with respect and want people to see you as a good leader... how about giving them a reason to. Because right now the only reason people are joining your raids are because there is a shortage of raids. I am not saying i am going to organise raids, but for christs sake... keep it fair will you? And post those darn logs where everyone agrees with you. And if you were going to claim a drop, claim something that isn't usefull for the whole of midgard

 

[xajorkith]

The ring is perfect for a hunter too

I do know a lot of people were bitter that DarkSpirit left WR taking all the legion drops, I believe Ladonna said only to keep the drops after DS failed to lotto them on several occasions and failed to keep his promise of posting the items in the WR forum.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by evilknight
And Raithian, I think alot of people missunderstood(sp?)...

I wasn't on this raid, and without wishing to be insulting to Rua/Raithian.... is this surprising?

Communication is an important leadership skill... you either have it, or for whatever hard luck reason, you don't.

 

[horsma]

Originally posted by raithian

as for the lotto that was the idea surgested by np to try well it suck big time what a stupid way to lotto but ppl wanted to try it but its to compliacted to stupid

heh, well in our guild raid rules have been quite simple- you can lotto item if you dont have it and you have lev50 char to use it. Imho that rule is simple and fair.
And why would we invite more peeps into our raids when we can kill all ourself except king & queen?

 

[Tivook]

Agree with Horsma.

We don't have any problems with our raids because we don't have any noobs, the rules are as clear as they can be.

lvl 50 requirement and one vote per person is the best way to go.

lvl 49 and 1 vote, maybe 2 votes if you need a class specific item made alot of people confused because most of them didn't read the rules from the beginning.


Evilknight: np members fucked it up more?
Well if we wait for our chance to roll for the ring and then rauthian decides to take it in the last second ofc we get angry.

If he would have made it so that only leaders could speak and said "IM CLAIMING RING" it would have still been pretty lame claiming the best loot but it would have been better because then we would have gotten a chance to roll for something else.

The one's who really fucked it up were all the noobs spamming the chat with crap.
Albbasher have the right to discuss the ring issue with rauthian if he want's to, that wasn't np talking it was albbasher even if i agree with him.

Tiv