Terminator Salvation

[Nate]

I thought it was alright, better then 3. Can't really beat 2 though.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I found it to be a "these days" kind of "new start for a series of films".

Not really fitting to the trilogy, but not too bad as an action movie.

I wasn't expecting too much and the Sarah Connor Chronicles series might have effected judgement too, but it was above average.

Most likely 'cause of the terminator title.

A bit into the movie i thought "Hmm, this looks like an awesome Fallout movie" and then it was a really enjoyable experience.

So in short; as a terminator, nothing to write home about, but it's good enough.

It was loud though. Boom, shout, boom more, hadadada noises, boom, more shouting, etc. Louder then Loud Noises 1.

 

[Aada]

I enjoyed it but i also thought that Terminator without Arnie doesn't do it for me either.

You can't be 1-2 ive watched 3 a few times now and i have grown to enjoy it, me and my gf watched 1-3 over monday/tuesday ready for Salvation and they as great as they have always been.

 

[MYstIC G]

Really didn't like it. Thought it was much worse than 3.

Personally I thought that seeing the trailer killed it as I saw it with a mate that didn't know what was coming with Marcus and they liked it much better.

It also just kinda felt like a setup for more films given how it ends.

Also, sorry but how about a terminator actually fucking killing something once in a while. This was where Terminator TSCC was much better, when they blew away Derek for absolutely no reason they grabbed my attention. I kept expecting that to happen in this film and it didn't imho.

Best bit was definitely the CGI arnie tbh. Did a very good job of making it look like he'd just stepped into the flick straight after finishing up on T1

 

[MYstIC G]

Also T3 explains that they altered the future slightly by postponing judgement day, and I believe the TX may have interfaced with skynet in that film passing on all it's future information.

Forgot, If that happened, why wouldn't all the T4 terminators be TX's?

 

[mr.Blacky]

Forgot, If that happened, why wouldn't all the T4 terminators be TX's?

because skynet wouldnt be able to build them yet without a higher technilogical base?
just knowing stuff doesnt make a person or network able to build stuff



and yes this takes it too far

 

[00dave]

Forgot, If that happened, why wouldn't all the T4 terminators be TX's?

Only living tissue being able to travel back makes for a pretty short film - artistic license?

It works both ways you know.

Also T4 plot doubters consider this:
What would have happened if Skynet had killed Kyle Reese, he wouldn't have been able to go back in time to father John Connor, John Connor would not exist which would probably cause a paradox, which is never good. Skynet knew this and used Reese as bait to kill John Connor, as killing Connor would not effect the present, only the future, which as we know by now is not set.

 

[DaGaffer]

It works both ways you know.

Also T4 plot doubters consider this:
What would have happened if Skynet had killed Kyle Reese, he wouldn't have been able to go back in time to father John Connor, John Connor would not exist which would probably cause a paradox, which is never good. Skynet knew this and used Reese as bait to kill John Connor, as killing Connor would not effect the present, only the future, which as we know by now is not set.

This would be despite sending Terminators back in the previous three films to create the very same "never good" paradox? Yeah...as a plot get-out that makes even less sense than the script we ended up with.

 

[MYstIC G]

It doesn't really work both ways, cos I didn't make the other point. Besides I think that actually it's "Nothing dead" from memory. The T2 & T3 terminators could have been sent back inside a skin just like the T1 terminator.

T4 still has Swiss cheese for a plot, example:

Spoiler

He rips out his "control" chip?!?

 

[MYstIC G]

Actually, this did a pretty good job of summing up some of the points: TERMINATOR SALVATION REVIEW | The Crotchety Old Fan

 

[DaGaffer]

It doesn't really work both ways, cos I didn't make the other point. Besides I think that actually it's "Nothing dead" from memory. The T2 & T3 terminators could have been sent back inside a skin just like the T1 terminator.

T4 still has Swiss cheese for a plot, example:

Spoiler

He rips out his "control" chip?!?

Don't get me started...

Spoiler

1. If he could find Kyle Reese that easily, why couldn't Skynet?
2. Once Skynet had Kyle Reese, why didn't they kill him immediately? No John Connor, job done.
3. Since when was Skynet a mainframe in a big building? T3 established it was a distributed program.
4. How come the super-powerful Skynet can't spot the resistance base, with all those planes out in the open? Even dealing with human opponents you wouldn't do that. Never mind against a machine enemy with no qualms about using nukes.
5. Helicopters v. HKs. Discuss.
6. Nuclear sub that won't talk to Connor to maintain secrecy spends the rest of the film yakking on the radio. No wonder they got zapped.
7. Speaking of submarines, what kind of incompentent morons puts all their leaders in one place?
8. Those little fireside chats on the radio from John Connor to the resistance; what, Skynet can't get shortwave? Or was it special "humans only" radio?
9. At the time of the film Skynet is only just putting the T800 into production, and yet they can field the clearly more advanced Marcus Wright first?
10. A Terminator on the door to guard Kyle Reese's cell. One. For their most critical prisoner, when they have a factory building the bloody things downstairs.
11. Connor trusts Marcus Wright to find Reese, when clearly he's been built by Skynet for some purpose. Why would he take the chance that Wright couldn't be "switched on" or something? He has direct experience of reprogrammed Terminators himself!
12. In three movies we've seen how nothing short of a C4 enema will stop a Terminator. Now an M16 will do the job.
13. Heart transplants. Tissue typing and matching. I'm sure all those people on transplant waiting lists watched that and thought "if I'd have only realised it was that easy".
14. Why would a robot motorcycle have handlebars?

 

[old.user4556]

Turd basically.

This thread has saved me £6.70 (at least) and a couple of hours of time, I'll wait until it's on Channel 5 .

 

[nath]

Spoiler

Re point 12 - I thought about that, but surely they could just have a special type of armour piercing ammo.

 

[MYstIC G]

Spoiler

Re point 12 - I thought about that, but surely they could just have a special type of armour piercing ammo.

That doesn't explain the back of the head bullshit.

 

[nath]

Oh no, every other point is entirely valid. Don't think for a second I'm sticking up for this travesty of a terminator film.

 

[old.Tohtori]

While there are plot "holes" here and there, i don't think this kind of film should be watched too critically.

It's kinda like watching fantastic four and ocmlpaining about the invisible zit bit

 

[00dave]

Totally agree Toht

At the end of the day I doubt there many movies made that don't have plot holes, the Terminator franchise is certainly not without its share. There is a huge plot hole in the aliens franchise that means alien3 and resurection could not have happened.

And degaffer most of your points are down to artistic license, but point 12 is daft because you saw Connor firing his M4 (not M16) at the T800 and what happened? Nothing, no damage apart from to the skin, looks inkeeping with the previous films to me. In fact the M4 was only affective against those crazy little water bots and a T500 with a helicopter parked on it. So I don't know where you got that from.

And Mystic G the time travel in the terminator movies is clearly stated that nothing dead can go back, that's why they go naked. The T800 can only go back because it's encased in living tissue. The T1000 and TX had liquid metal for skin or mass, plot hole right there that everybody ignored because it would have ruined their entertainment. Seems to me like people look for plot holes when they want a movie to fail.

 

[tris-]

I maybe wrong, but wasnt the T1000 a mixture of liquid metal and organic material?
im going to watch it now

 

[DaGaffer]

And degaffer most of your points are down to artistic license, but point 12 is daft because you saw Connor firing his M4 (not M16) at the T800 and what happened? Nothing, no damage apart from to the skin, looks inkeeping with the previous films to me. In fact the M4 was only affective against those crazy little water bots and a T500 with a helicopter parked on it. So I don't know where you got that from.

There's very little point in running around with an M4 if it won't do shit against the enemy (and no you can't get 5.56mm armour piercing rounds for M4s - if you could, NATO would have them already, there is a round but it only fits SAWs), and they were using M4s against the T500s at the start.

The phrase "artistic licence" can be used to cover a massive multitude of sins, but there's a limit, especially when they contradict themselves in their own canon, as they do a number of times here. My main gripe is that this film suffers from "Zombie Film Syndrome" where the only way the plot progresses is by characters being fundamentally stupid, and insulting the intelligence of the audience.

 

[megadave]

Apparently the original script actually made sense, and John Connor was only suppose to be in it for about 2 minutes and only featured via radio, which would have made sense because he had to stay hidden because of how important he is. Why did this change? Christian Bale demanded to be John Connor and be the main character.


Anyway this film was utter crap. Don't know how they managed to ruin it so badly. All they needed to do was look at the first two and take from it there. The brief clips we see of the future in those were so atmospheric, what the fuck happened? I remember how if the Terminator reached you, you would be fucked which made great tension in the movie, Kyle Reese had to always be one step ahead in the first one. Now a "Terminator" reaches John Connor and just throws him about a bit and then lets him get away, repeatedly.

Seems like such a pointless film, there's no real plot, no character development or meaningful emotion, and the film ends in the same situation as it began, what was the point of any of it happening?

In regards to plot-holes, you sort of have to allow a few things when it comes to time-travel because its so complicated and undefined. But T4 just has huge points that don't make any sense regardless; whats with the terminators gathering humans for apparently no reason ? I thought they wanted to wipe them out.

 

[tris-]

The brief clips we see of the future in those were so atmospheric, what the fuck happened?

CGI I think. In the origional two, it all appears to be animatronics and neon lights and shit which usually looks better if done propley.

 

[megadave]

Well originally it actualled looked post-apocalyptic. Night fighting only, the debris and skulls and hordes of ruthless robots. The crappy little hovels the humans are living in, just crowded around a fire with people weeping in agony as they survive the squalid conditions.

Compare it to T4 where everyones fresh out of a beauty salon, just sitting around without a care in the world, living in the same place as the transformers movie.

 

[00dave]

You have to take timescale into account, T4 is set in 2018, not really that long after judgement day, the scene in the T1 and T2 are much further in the future, hence the plasma weapons.
The night fighting was also a bit of the dreaded artistic license again, think about it, why would you choose to fight at night against an enemy that can see in the dark perfectly and you can't. I think it will hopefully represent the human resistance getting more and more desperate as their numbers and weapons dwindle. After judgement day they still have a lot of contingency plans in place to maintain a decent sized military force but as the years go on, skynet starts to grind them down by being one step ahead in technology, much like the Nazis in WW2 if you like.

 

[MYstIC G]

Oh no, every other point is entirely valid. Don't think for a second I'm sticking up for this travesty of a terminator film.

Sorry, my bad again, I mean the stabbing them in the head = death thing.

 

[MYstIC G]

And Mystic G the time travel in the terminator movies is clearly stated that nothing dead can go back, that's why they go naked. The T800 can only go back because it's encased in living tissue. The T1000 and TX had liquid metal for skin or mass, plot hole right there that everybody ignored because it would have ruined their entertainment. Seems to me like people look for plot holes when they want a movie to fail.

Stop talking out the wrong hole, I've already stated that both could be sent back in a skin, they could then just shed or break through said skin. So it's nowhere near as bad a plot hole as other things because it can be explained away within the universe.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Sorry, my bad again, I mean the stabbing them in the head = death thing.

How i got it, is that the back of the head hit just "confuses" the t-sumsuch for a while.

If you mean the bit with the Kyle and "pole to the head!".

In any case, discussing plot holes in T movies is a bit silly 'cause, well, the very basis of sending a metallic terminator through time while only organic stuff can come though is a bit "edge" material.

Sure the "skin covered robot" thing works, but why didn't they just stick a pulsegun up their hiney

 

[tris-]

Stabbing in the back of the head simply screwed their tracking system based on the character in the film saying that was what happened.

 

[00dave]

Stop talking out the wrong hole, I've already stated that both could be sent back in a skin, they could then just shed or break through said skin. So it's nowhere near as bad a plot hole as other things because it can be explained away within the universe.

I'm sorry but that's just stupid, A. it wasn't shown in the movie so it's highly unlikely and B. if they're going to do that why not bring back a few futuristic weapons with them?
Movies have plot holes, get over it, I love all the terminator movies despite their many plot holes.

At the end of the day I thought it was great you thought it was crap. But then again you're wrong

 

[Thugz]

I could never make head nor tail of the plot in the original film! Going back and forth between here and there - time wise - always confused the hell out of me. Consequence of that was I just watched the crash bang wallop stuff and revelled in the special effects. This sounds very much like the same so maybe I will enjoy it too when I can get my hands on it. By then I will probably have a whopping big screen hd tv too. Roll on the androids. If one is good and 2 is better then zillions must be awesome .

 

[megadave]

Well, even if you can't grasp the time travel, the old films still had a plot, atmosphere, character development, emotion etc, as well as all the action and coolness. I didn't think T4 had any of that, even the action scenes were nothing new.