Terminator Salvation

[nath]

Guh. I guess I shouldn't have expected much from a McG film, but I'd hoped Christian Bale would bring something to it. It was pretty poor tbh. Lots of little nods to the old films which were entertaining enough but didn't do much for the overall film. It was riddled with plot holes (perhaps another nod to the previous films) and Bales Connor was totally dull and one dimensional - perhaps nothing he could do about it but quite disappointing. The Marcus Wright storyline could have been *sooooo* much more, but wasn't.

If you were planning on watching this, just watch Trailer 3 - it's much better than the film. Great music, all the salient action bits and there's more or less no more plot in the whole film than the trailer.

Bleeeh.

 

[Aoami]

Worst film i've ever seen.

Only watching T2 on blu-ray afterwards could wipe it from the memory.

 

[old.user4556]

Like I said in the trailer thread, it was doomed to fail.

 

[ramathorn]

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy gooooooooooooooooooooood!?!?!?!?!

im going to see this in 40 minutes, i heard it was bad but just thought it was a minority saying it. how in the name of fuck could they mess it up? it had everything to make a good film. fuck you mcg, fuck you in your stupid (american) ass

 

[Zenith.UK]

Should have got J.J.Abrmas to make it.
It would be pale, shiny lights everywhere and lots of moving cameras.
I guess he was busy with something else though.

Oh yeah, that was it. Star Trek, the best film I've seen so far this year.

 

[nath]

Should have got J.J.Abrmas to make it.
It would be pale, shiny lights everywhere and lots of moving cameras.
I guess he was busy with something else though.

Oh yeah, that was it. Star Trek, the best film I've seen so far this year.

Ugh, fucking hate that guy. He makes bad movies, though I guess not as bad as McG but that's like comparing a big mac to a whopper.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Tempted to give this a chance in the cinema tbh.

 

[ramathorn]

just seen it, some of the action was quite good but the story, plot holes, script and general direction were just piss poor. really shocked me in some instances just how terribly they missed things.

mcg is without doubt a first class wanker, he really should go back to music video's. how does he keep getting jobs, especially big budget ones? there are a load of other directors out there who would have made such a better movie from this.

the worst thing is, the movie is still going to make a fortune, the showing i was at was sold out and according to a dude working in the cinema it has been like that since release. a lot of people i know when told how average it is will still pay to go see it in the hope that they get a bit of the first two films back.

i am sad

 

[Sparx]

Worst film i've ever seen.

Only watching T2 on blu-ray afterwards could wipe it from the memory.

T2 on BD really is fantastic, have remastered it? cause the teminators look better

 

[Fweddy]

I watched T2 on Bluray last night at a friend's. First thing I've seen in high def and I really couldn't get over how great it looked.

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

mcg != James Cameron, i mean, what kind of fuking name does he have anyway, "er hello mr mcg" come on, got a ***** name

 

[00dave]

I think some of you lot walked into the wrong screening room, I thought it was ace. Even the CGI didn't ruin it like it does in so many films these days, and I thought the T600 terminators looked pretty good, the sort of age battered industrial look that Cameron was always good at achieving.

How you can all seem to praise star trek and hate this I have no idea. I mean a flagship being crewed by cadets is just stupid.

 

[nath]

There wasn't a great deal of praise for Star Trek from me. Seriously though, don't you think this film was all bang smash wollop and no plot whatsoever. What was the thrust of the plot anyway? Save Kyle Reese? Find out who Marcus Wright really was? They all felt like little bits, ultimately it was pretty dull. No good characters at all too. Was there anyone you even remotely gave a shit about?

 

[00dave]

There wasn't a great deal of praise for Star Trek from me. Seriously though, don't you think this film was all bang smash wollop and no plot whatsoever. What was the thrust of the plot anyway? Save Kyle Reese? Find out who Marcus Wright really was? They all felt like little bits, ultimately it was pretty dull. No good characters at all too. Was there anyone you even remotely gave a shit about?

I seriously don't understand how you rate films. Do you have a template that you hold up to the plot and if it doesn't match you don't like it? Sometimes a movie comes along and all it asks is that you switch your brain off and disappear from the harshness of reality for a couple of hours, but so many people these days just want to sit there picking faults and then run screaming as fast as they can to the nearest internet forum to complain about it.

 

[Kryten]

Personal Taste.

 

[nath]

I seriously don't understand how you rate films. Do you have a template that you hold up to the plot and if it doesn't match you don't like it? Sometimes a movie comes along and all it asks is that you switch your brain off and disappear from the harshness of reality for a couple of hours, but so many people these days just want to sit there picking faults and then run screaming as fast as they can to the nearest internet forum to complain about it.

Yeah, and so many people rush to defend shit films by saying people are overly critical and expecting too much.

I was expecting to enjoy myself, I found myself quite bored for the most part. I don't judge it against other films, I just want to give a shit about the characters and enjoy the story. The CG was very impressive especially

Spoiler

CG Arnie

they did a cracking job there. However the film was action porn - just explosions and no depth whatsoever. I'm not expecting a great deal, I was just hoping to be interested.

What I'd consider a good "turn your brain off" movie is Tremors. It was pretty stupid but good cast, good writing and great fun. Salvation was pretty stupid, had an OK cast, atrocious writing and wasn't really very fun at all (for me).

 

[ramathorn]

I seriously don't understand how you rate films. Do you have a template that you hold up to the plot and if it doesn't match you don't like it? Sometimes a movie comes along and all it asks is that you switch your brain off and disappear from the harshness of reality for a couple of hours, but so many people these days just want to sit there picking faults and then run screaming as fast as they can to the nearest internet forum to complain about it.

i am completely open to mindless fun films, but not when they are scamming the name of two of the greatest, iconic, cult films out there. It is completely devoid of everything that made terminator great.

they hired a guy who's biggest directorial achievement was "charlies angels", closely followed by offsprings "pretty fly for a white guy" music video. they hired the writers who came up with such masterpieces as "catwoman" and "primeval". wrapped their collective shit in x million dollars worth of special effects and produced a big stinking mess.

everything about the film is immediately forgetable, character / plot development was completely non existant and while there was plenty of action there was nothing particularly new or outstanding.

it was nothing but a pay day for everyone involved, including the usually amazing christian bale (who really only played a supporting role). it pains me to see McG's name against the already planned T5, it reminds me of the american pie series and how they are still trying to milk it for all its worth. i just wish cameron had held on to the rights and left the original films untainted.

had it been a random action movie it wouldnt have been bad, it just ends up being an embaressment to the terminator series.

 

[SawTooTH]

Bag O shite meter = 5 bags o shite

 

[tris-]

There wasn't a great deal of praise for Star Trek from me. Seriously though, don't you think this film was all bang smash wollop and no plot whatsoever. What was the thrust of the plot anyway? Save Kyle Reese? Find out who Marcus Wright really was? They all felt like little bits, ultimately it was pretty dull. No good characters at all too. Was there anyone you even remotely gave a shit about?

Well unless Reese was saved, he couldnt of gone back in time and helped to conceive Conner.

So ye, i reckon that was pretty important. Wright was also important, as without him, Reese would of not have got to where he was and could not of been saved my Conner.

Sounds like you might have missed a few bits of and pieces of the idea,
at least from what I got from the film anywat. There was only Wright who really did anything major, but everyone else contributed something small in someway which led to the ultimate outcome.

Unless Im missing something, the universie of terminator is pre determined anyway at least up untill Reese is sent back in time.

 

[ramathorn]

Well unless Reese was saved, he couldnt of gone back in time and helped to conceive Conner.

how did skynet know about kyle reese? the only person who knew he was john connors father was john connor...the same goes for john connor himself, why was he the number two target? at that point in time he was a middle rank soldier.....

one of many plot holes

The Wright thing was just nonsense

 

[tris-]

Wrong, sarah connor also knew reese was his father. Who knows who she told in the past, and if it perhaps had been registered in some fashion at birth?

You can say the same plot hole is present in T2 then. How did the terminator know Connor was so important - well the terminator had come from the future. How do you know skynet had not sent information back to its self in the past in the same way?

 

[ramathorn]

Wrong, sarah connor also knew reese was his father. Who knows who she told in the past, and if it perhaps had been registered in some fashion at birth?

You can say the same plot hole is present in T2 then. How did the terminator know Connor was so important - well the terminator had come from the future. How do you know skynet had not sent information back to its self in the past in the same way?

i meant during the timescale of the film, obviously. she registered at birth that a guy who hasnt been born yet is the father of her son? wouldnt happen.

that the writers for this movie leave you with no explainations for anything is another example of the poor writing, your told to go along with this story line without any reason or rhyme as to how it got there.

in t2 it knew because it came from a time when connor was the leader of the resistance, not a random soldier. your idea that it sent something back to itself is all good and well, but then thats really leaving it open for all sorts of rediculous shit. when time travel is in any story the writing needs to be solid otherwise you can just assume anything and it becomes a mess (as it did, imo)

when you are asking "who knows?" and "how do you know?" about the plot line its already proving the point surely?

 

[tris-]

You must go all the way to T1 and blame that plot then. It doesnt say if she did or did not register Reese as the father so all we can do from that film is assume for the rest of the story.

 

[Sparx]

To be fair some films (like Ultraviolet) deserve to be moaned about on an forum

 

[ramathorn]

To be fair some films (like Ultraviolet) deserve to be moaned about on an forum

Geez that was ultrascheiss, or aeon flux *shudder*

 

[00dave]

I seems all you've done is held the plot line of T1 and T2 up to this film and decided it's not good enough. This attitude towards sequels is getting annoying, you all slagged off indy 4 because it was "far fetched" yeah because a device for talking to god or a cup that makes you immortal is totally believable.

The plotlines of all the terminator films are flawed, if you look at the timeline John Connor was supposed to be 10 years old in T2. Only living tissue can travel back in time, so how did the T1000 and TX travel back when they have no organic tissue. Also T3 explains that they altered the future slightly by postponing judgement day, and I believe the TX may have interfaced with skynet in that film passing on all it's future information.

You can't seriously judge a film because the director made something shit before, George Lucas made 3 brilliant movies then made 3 terrible ones in the same franchise. People who make mistakes tend to get better (except Uwe Bol) whereas people who do well surround themselves wth yes men and then get lost in their own hype.
It works in real life too, Churchill made an almighty fuck up during the first world war, didn't so to bad in the second one though did he.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, but the way you guys are talking you seem to have made your minds up before you even bought your ticket. The same sort of people voted the dark knight as the best movie of the year before it was even released. Take AVP: requiem, I heard about it and thought it was going to be wank and an abomination, but when I watched it I was actually impressed and changed my mind.

 

[ramathorn]

The plotlines of all the terminator films are flawed, if you look at the timeline John Connor was supposed to be 10 years old in T2. Only living tissue can travel back in time, so how did the T1000 and TX travel back when they have no organic tissue. Also T3 explains that they altered the future slightly by postponing judgement day, and I believe the TX may have interfaced with skynet in that film passing on all it's future information.

I would say its more of a casting issue rather than a plot hole that the actor playing the part is older than he is in the film, this happens in almost every film made though. Only living tissue being able to travel back makes for a pretty short film - artistic license?

This is like arnie showing up, coming out of his bubble and going after john connor without explaining why.

sorry for the spam, so much boredom tonight

 

[nath]

I seems all you've done is held the plot line of T1 and T2 up to this film and decided it's not good enough. This attitude towards sequels is getting annoying, you all slagged off indy 4 because it was "far fetched" yeah because a device for talking to god or a cup that makes you immortal is totally believable.

The plotlines of all the terminator films are flawed, if you look at the timeline John Connor was supposed to be 10 years old in T2. Only living tissue can travel back in time, so how did the T1000 and TX travel back when they have no organic tissue. Also T3 explains that they altered the future slightly by postponing judgement day, and I believe the TX may have interfaced with skynet in that film passing on all it's future information.

You can't seriously judge a film because the director made something shit before, George Lucas made 3 brilliant movies then made 3 terrible ones in the same franchise. People who make mistakes tend to get better (except Uwe Bol) whereas people who do well surround themselves wth yes men and then get lost in their own hype.
It works in real life too, Churchill made an almighty fuck up during the first world war, didn't so to bad in the second one though did he.

I can't speak for others but little plot inconsistencies don't bother me at all. In fact in the Terminator-verse that's normal. As I said, the story was just crap, the writing was the rubbish and the action didn't make up for these flaws. I actually went to the film having heard it wasn't great, but hoping for the best. Plus trailer 3 made me quite excited, the film just ended up being disappointing.

 

[DaGaffer]

Just seen it. If you watched it with your brain completely switched off, it was good - set design, lots of action, lots of fanboi shit. However, if you switched your brain on, even for a second, it was fucking rubbish. McG is only partly to blame, as he can at least generate good eye-candy, he clearly can't critique a script though, and however wrote it deserves a T800's boot in the face; I reckon I could come up with about 20 plot holes (major to minor), inconsistencies, and down-right ridiculousness.

 

[mr.Blacky]

how did skynet know about kyle reese? the only person who knew he was john connors father was john connor...the same goes for john connor himself, why was he the number two target? at that point in time he was a middle rank soldier.....

one of many plot holes

The Wright thing was just nonsense

I presume that the skynet of the future knew and the female terminator of the future meld with the one of terminator 3?