News Teacher faces action for photos

[Access Denied]

I meant that judges are expected to be model citizens. Its perfectly understandable if you read what followed.

What you dont seem to understand is that most people do not share your moral relativism. I believe in sexual tolerance and free will. But i also believe that people in certain positions (like the ones i mentioned, judge, army officer and teacher) must act in a respectable manner because they are supposed to set an example. They freely chose their professions knowing fully well what it required of them - to live above the standards that the rest of us set for ourselves. In the same way that a catholic priest lives in selibacy even though other catholics are allowed to have sex.

A teacher is supposed to set an example. That means that he has to be better than what others expect from themselves. If he cant handle that, then he needs to change his profession. Just like a catholic priest has to go if he can no longer be the example.

Your analogy is flawed (Or part of it at least) Priests aren't celibate to set an example, they're celibate (Though less so these days) because the church believed/believes that to be otherwise detracts from their closeness with God.

I also find your argument to be specious. I work for Tesco and while I'm at work or in the uniform I'm expected to act in a professional manner. However, what I get up to outside of work hours and when I'm not in my uniform is up to me. There is nothing in that news article to suggest that while she is at work the teacher behaves in anything other than a completely professional manner. Why should she be penalised for doing something in her spare time that harms no one and is completely within the confines of the law?

If what she does in her personal time affects her ability to perform her role then yes it's a problem but I can safely assume that this isn't the case. Like Bugz said this is simply a case of other people not liking and morally criminalising it.

 

[Gorbachioo]

So because a teacher poses for some sexy shots in her spare time, she stops becoming an example?

So if you consistently get value added and your students thoroughly enjoy your lessons but you were discovered to have taken some saucy snaps, you become a bad example?

So the moment you explore your sexuality out of your line of work, in your own house, using a camera, you become a bad example and you should quit your job.

Hello dictatorship. Nice to meet you.

Yes. Maybe 50 years from now we'll pose for sexy pics and the prime minster will walk around in high heels but now is now. And NOW posing for sexy pictures is not what a role model is supposed to do.

If you want explore your sexuality, if you want to test the boundaries then choose a profession that doesnt require you to be an example. She did not, so she doesnt have any right to complain.

And i'll leave you with this little thought: One can have ideals without being intolerant to people who dont match those ideals.

 

[Imgormiel]

Yes. Maybe 50 years from now we'll pose for sexy pics and the prime minster will walk around in high heels but now is now. And NOW posing for sexy pictures is not what a role model is supposed to do.

If you want explore your sexuality, if you want to test the boundaries then choose a profession that doesnt require you to be an example. She did not, so she doesnt have any right to complain.

And i'll leave you with this little thought: One can have ideals without being intolerant to people who dont match those ideals.

Yea, but you are forgetting a small point called employment law, and that's where your argument comes undone. There's also another thing called democracy written into our constitution too that rather slaps your point across the face. And in this day and age who expects to get what they actually ask for, that's just a complete fallacy these days to even wish it given that most people can't do something the way it was meant to be - that's what a complaints procedure is for...

Until the details of her contract are exposed, then it's probably best to keep quiet on this one tbh matey.

 

[Access Denied]

If you want explore your sexuality, if you want to test the boundaries then choose a profession that doesnt require you to be an example.

If a male teacher harboured the desire to become female and acted on this desire, from what you're saying this teacher would be setting a bad example to the children. Nonsense, a teacher doesn't only teach children History/Maths/P.E etc. They also have an influence on their charges and just about every teacher I've ever known has excouraged their students to chase their dreams.

Followign my example above having a sex change wouldn't detract from this teachers' ability to do their job, in fact the opposite would probably be true because they wouldn't have to spend so much energy suppressing their needs and desires. This teacher wanted to be a model and she realised that dream. In my mind there is no better example to set.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Your analogy is flawed (Or part of it at least) Priests aren't celibate to set an example, they're celibate (Though less so these days) because the church believed/believes that to be otherwise detracts from their closeness with God.

I also find your argument to be specious. I work for Tesco and while I'm at work or in the uniform I'm expected to act in a professional manner. However, what I get up to outside of work hours and when I'm not in my uniform is up to me. There is nothing in that news article to suggest that while she is at work the teacher behaves in anything other than a completely professional manner. Why should she be penalised for doing something in her spare time that harms no one and is completely within the confines of the law?

If what she does in her personal time affects her ability to perform her role then yes it's a problem but I can safely assume that this isn't the case. Like Bugz said this is simply a case of other people not liking and morally criminalising it.

No one expects tesco workers to set an example. Yes, like everyone else, they are expected to behave at work but thats it. Its not the same thing as being a teacher.

It does affect her ability to do her job. Thats the point. A teacher needs authority and if her students go jerk off at her pictures after school then she wont have authority over them. You must understand this..

Yea, but you are forgetting a small point called employment law, and that's where your argument comes undone. There's also another thing called democracy written into our constitution too that rather slaps your point across the face. And in this day and age who expects to get what they actually ask for, that's just a complete fallacy these days to even wish it given that most people can't do something the way it was meant to be - that's what a complaints procedure is for...

Until the details of her contract are exposed, then it's probably best to keep quiet on this one tbh matey.

Im not arguing over what the law says. Im not even arguing over what the law SHOULD say. What im saying is that its not okay even if the law does not prohibit it.

If a male teacher harboured the desire to become female and acted on this desire, from what you're saying this teacher would be setting a bad example to the children. Nonsense, a teacher doesn't only teach children History/Maths/P.E etc. They also have an influence on their charges and just about every teacher I've ever known has excouraged their students to chase their dreams.

Followign my example above having a sex change wouldn't detract from this teachers' ability to do their job, in fact the opposite would probably be true because they wouldn't have to spend so much energy suppressing their needs and desires. This teacher wanted to be a model and she realised that dream. In my mind there is no better example to set.

If a male teacher had a sex change operation his ability to teach would be compromised forever and you know this very well. Even the most ultraliberal moral relativist hippies, while they might be "ok" with it", still have a problem with seeing trannies as a moral authority. Im not saying thats a good thing, im saying that thats how it is. So yes it would make him unable to do his job because 99% of the population would not be able to see him the way he should be seen - as a respectable role model.

If he wants to change his sex, then he should consider changing his profession because, sadly, the world isnt that liberal yet.

I'll ask you a question: If an army officer wanted to have a sex change, would that be perfectly ok?

 

[CorNokZ]

I'll ask you a question: If an army officer wanted to have a sex change, would that be perfectly ok?

Sure, why not?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Gorb, i guess teachers should eat right foods, drive right cars, vote for certain political parties, attend certain fundraisers and do other "extra" activities too?

 

[Bugz]

I'll ask you a question: If an army officer wanted to have a sex change, would that be perfectly ok?

Yes it would be.

Wow - what a way to write off your whole blabble there. Good job lol.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Gorb, i guess teachers should eat right foods, drive right cars, vote for certain political parties, attend certain fundraisers and do other "extra" activities too?

They are supposed to set an example. If that means doing any of those things then yes. (i dont think it does though)

Yes it would be.

Wow - what a way to write off your whole blabble there. Good job lol.

I wasnt asking for your personal opinion. I was asking would it affect his ability to do his job - and the answer is a clear yes.

For the last time, try to understand that the world is not as liberal as you. This isnt about your opinions, this about the opinions of everyone.

 

[old.Tohtori]

They are supposed to set an example. If that means doing any of those things then yes. (i dont think it does though

So it comes down to what you personally believe is a "standard" then?

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

If those parents and teachers believe that is the only time that kids who surf the web will have seen a naked or semi-naked woman

My opinion on this: Yet again much ado about nothing - she might have had to move schools as a result but that should have been the end of it. It's not like she's on paedo.com asking if anyone wants to buy one of her students now is it!

 

[Mey]

Can't believe non of you looked for photos!

 

[Mey]

Also I don't think she is all that tbh!

 

[Bugz]

 

[Mey]

However, I agree with who ever was saying that the way you act should be fit for the job that you do. Teachers are supposed to set a standard at which children should look upto if this teacher goes slutting around (not that I think she has) then what kind of example is that setting to young girls who most likely look up to her given her "status".

 

[Mey]

written into our constitution too that rather slaps your point across the face.

The UK does not have a written Constitution.

 

[Gorbachioo]

So it comes down to what you personally believe is a "standard" then?

Yeah. Thats what i said.


Good reading there.

 

[Genedril]

Gorb, i guess teachers should eat right foods, drive right cars, vote for certain political parties, attend certain fundraisers and do other "extra" activities too?

Add to that any teacher that smokes; drinks; goes on protest marches against the government. They're all not setting a good example & should be got rid of.

Then there's their beliefs & those of the people they socialise with so anyone who believes in creationism or socialises with those that do (it's contrary to current accepted scientific & educational standards); anyone who's pro hunting (it's against the law); part of an anti-hunt or more extreme animal welfare group (which are associated with law breaking); maybe anyone who supports things like the Monster Raving Looney party as well (no one takes them seriously after all).

Having been a teacher; if someone stipulated all that when I tried it I'd have laughed in their face & walked. When I was I played in a band & regularly drank far more than medical guidelines decree to be safe. If any of my students (or their parents) had happened to bump into me in the pub of post gig then I'd have looked considerably worse than she did.

What happens out of the office is of no importance unless it physically effects your ability to do your job. As students these days have very little respect for people in authority (teachers included) then I really can't see them having less for something like this. Female teachers used to get stick from pupils anyway so it's all irrelevant. In the interests of balance I'll point out that male teachers got stick too, but female students were far less lurid in the suggestions made about things than the male ones ever were.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah. Thats what i said.


Good reading there.

That's what it sounds like.

Aren't choices on "what is morally acceptable on certain profession" up to an opinion?

And if the majority here says "it's not bad behaviour", or even on a grander scale people would say that, wouldn't it make it alright?

 

[BloodOmen]

The better question is why was a parent scowering the internet for provocative images? surely using the parents logic that is also inappropriate for children? I mean its outside of school hours and its dirty pictures no? which in turn makes them hypocrites?

 

[Tasslehoff]

The better question is, how was Gorbachioo unable to get the humour in Bugz' initial post?

Gorb, you really do make teaching sound like it's somewhere up there with prime minister. Do you know how much a teacher makes a month? If teachers were to be the high role models, you seem to think they should be, there would be no teachers. That's true for Denmark at least, it is hard enough as it is.
Choosing to be a teacher is not the same as choosing to be a priest. Simple as.

 

[Gorbachioo]

The better question is, how was Gorbachioo unable to get the humour in Bugz' initial post?

Gorb, you really do make teaching sound like it's somewhere up there with prime minister. Do you know how much a teacher makes a month? If teachers were to be the high role models, you seem to think they should be, there would be no teachers. That's true for Denmark at least, it is hard enough as it is.
Choosing to be a teacher is not the same as choosing to be a priest. Simple as.

Its a good question, i still dont.

I dont where it is right now. (although this piece of news gave me a hint) I only know where it should be.

 

[Zebolt]

"They were absolutely not pornographic but do you want to see your teacher in that way?"

Ofc I do ^^

 

[kiliarien]

As a point I reiterated earlier, I'm a teacher anyways, and I wouldn't have done what she did if I had a nice body etc, but.....

May I ask Gorb, are you defending your 'role model' point of view just because very few others in this thread are and you want some reaction?

It is unlike you to be so exceedingly naive as this. You seem to believe the view here of 'black & white' in terms of relative morality. Not one profession you have named, such as a judge, teacher OR member of the armed services deals in absolutism. Let's see:

Certain professions require you to behave even when you're not working. A judge is expected to follow the law, an army officer is expected to behave in a respectable manner outside work and in the same way a teacher must be respectable even when shes not working.

I dont know how that is a justification. If you're simply pointing out that the accusations have no legal basis then fine. But if you're saying that teachers should be able to do whatever they want outside work then i think you're wrong.

EVERYONE should follow the law, it is just for judges to uphold it - nothing in their legal brief says they must be a paragon of virtue. Neither is it true of a soldier, the rules for their civilian life are governed by their living status (on base etc.) as much as their profession I think.

And never said that teachers should do whatever they like - he was merely talking from a point of law. Nowhere in his post did he actually condone it.

I meant that judges are expected to be model citizens. Its perfectly understandable if you read what followed.

What you dont seem to understand is that most people do not share your moral relativism. I believe in sexual tolerance and free will. But i also believe that people in certain positions (like the ones i mentioned, judge, army officer and teacher) must act in a respectable manner because they are supposed to set an example. They freely chose their professions knowing fully well what it required of them - to live above the standards that the rest of us set for ourselves. In the same way that a catholic priest lives in selibacy even though other catholics are allowed to have sex.

A teacher is supposed to set an example. That means that he has to be better than what others expect from themselves. If he cant handle that, then he needs to change his profession. Just like a catholic priest has to go if he can no longer be the example.

Nobody is ever expected to live beyond others' standards. To aspire to do so is one thing, but there is no expectation there because that doesn't and never will fit a job description.

No one expects tesco workers to set an example. Yes, like everyone else, they are expected to behave at work but thats it. Its not the same thing as being a teacher.

It does affect her ability to do her job. Thats the point. A teacher needs authority and if her students go jerk off at her pictures after school then she wont have authority over them. You must understand this..

Im not arguing over what the law says. Im not even arguing over what the law SHOULD say. What im saying is that its not okay even if the law does not prohibit it.

If a male teacher had a sex change operation his ability to teach would be compromised forever and you know this very well. Even the most ultraliberal moral relativist hippies, while they might be "ok" with it", still have a problem with seeing trannies as a moral authority. Im not saying thats a good thing, im saying that thats how it is. So yes it would make him unable to do his job because 99% of the population would not be able to see him the way he should be seen - as a respectable role model.

If he wants to change his sex, then he should consider changing his profession because, sadly, the world isnt that liberal yet.

I'll ask you a question: If an army officer wanted to have a sex change, would that be perfectly ok?

Why wouldn't I want a Tesco worker to set an example, such as doing a good job? That's just being fucking snobby. Some people like, enjoy, and particularly for some acute learning diasability affected people holding down such a job is a real achievement and I look up to them for that. Your comment there is offensive although I recognise you might not have wanted it to come off as such.

Yes changing sex although in the state of the world today is considered odd and unnatural by many, but why may I ask is having a sex change not respectable? You have chosen the most obscure example compared to some lady showing off her body which is deemed reasonable by many - do people remember Melinda Messenger for getting her tits out? Not really; she's gone on to do lots of mainstream programs and events, and when people found she had tits AND a brain (having a degree etc.) it was all of a sudden ok, why not the other way round?

They are supposed to set an example. If that means doing any of those things then yes. (i dont think it does though)

I wasnt asking for your personal opinion. I was asking would it affect his ability to do his job - and the answer is a clear yes.

For the last time, try to understand that the world is not as liberal as you. This isnt about your opinions, this about the opinions of everyone.

You said basically here that those in responsibility that people look on as a position of respect that they can't smoke, drive 'wrong' cars and should do more charity work then they shouldn't do the job? That, as I said somewhere near the top of this post (sorry it's so long folks!) is VERY naive.

You aren't allowed to speak on behalf of everyone. That's the point of a forum bud. Personal views, so don't give this shit about others not being liberal and that's why it's wrong.

So it comes down to what you personally believe is a "standard" then?

Agreed Toh!

May I ask Gorb, have you ever been a Teacher, Judge or Member of the Armed Services? I'd be interested on your perspective if you have been.

 

[Imgormiel]

The UK does not have a written Constitution.

Wrong, Great revolution of 1688 and examine that and then you will find we do..

 

[Bugz]

May I ask Gorb, have you ever been a Teacher, Judge or Member of the Armed Services? I'd be interested on your perspective if you have been.

Gorb's still in school matey.

Or maybe isn't - but his 17/18 atleast iirc.

 

[Ctuchik]

'Sexiest' Teacher Trouble Over Thong Web Pics - Yahoo! News UK

This is absolutely ridiculous. How is it inappropriate for a teacher? She obviously didn't do it during work hours and I fail to see how it would have any impact whatsoever on her work. We can safely assume she didn't parade about in the gym in her underwear so this "disciplinary action" is un-needed and to my mind illegal.

had a simmilar issue here in sweden where a female weather broadcaster almost lost her job for doing a photo job with a half open jacket, think you could see 1/3rd of a boob or something...

/edit: found a half crap pic of it.


is this that bad really?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/tv/article387821.ab

 

[Hawkwind]

Wrong, Great revolution of 1688 and examine that and then you will find we do..

Mostly wrong, the UK still has no lawful recognised written constitution. The document written in 1688 was a bill of rights. It was also hugely biased on religeous grounds and mainly addressed issues of the monarchy and the passing of the crown to William and Mary. After the revolution drove James II from the country. It's main purpose was to subjugate the monarchy to the will of Parliament and law. It was also somewhat superseded in 1700 by the act of settlement.

It was a very interesting and turbulent time in history only 20 years after Cromwell died. He actually refused the crown himself a few years earlier to remain as Lord Protector. Would have been interesting if he'd taken Parliaments offer.

There is an ongoing debate about whether the UK should have a written 21st century constitution but the government still have not worked out a way to screw the average briton whilst giving the country to chavs, immigrants and hardline extremist muslims

 

[Mey]

Wrong, Great revolution of 1688 and examine that and then you will find we do..

Facts? Check them

 

[soze]

Yes. Maybe 50 years from now we'll pose for sexy pics and the prime minster will walk around in high heels but now is now. And NOW posing for sexy pictures is not what a role model is supposed to do.

I think this is wrong you ask a young girl who her role model is and 90% of them will not say ohh my teacher they will say Girls Allowed or Katy Perry who have both done plenty of photo shoots with underware showing. When i was at school i could not have give less of a crap about how my teachers lived their lives and i never looked up to one as a role model or an example of how i should live my life. Yes teachers have access to impressionable young minds but this photo shoot will do much less damage than reading interviews with Paris Hilton and the like who young girls really look up too. IMHO of course.