Sword & Shield Armsman Ques

[hrodelbert]

Bump

 

[gwyneth-love]

50 pole
39 Thrust
42 Shield
6 Parry


Slam .. change pole get 2 hits in .. go pole or s/s 9 depends on what you are fighting ..
It can be very potent But you`ll need to use 2 Quickbars which can take a bit of practise ..

P.S. Pole is Veryhard if you get the styles of right .. talking 600-800 dmg here

 

[hrodelbert]

i want an apology for being called a gimped paladin. i have an x-bow FFS

 

[Arlone]

I'd like to see the sort of chants a pala with 50 shield and 44 parry would have

'you are healed for 3 hitpoints'

If palas spend points in chants, as they should, they don't have enough points to go as defensive as an armsman (nor do they have the same ammount of HP, dex or damage output).

If you call s/s armsmen gimped paladins I could call polearmers gimped hunters (cause you only have x-bow and hunters got both pets and regular bow). Hah, freaking gimped hunters!

 

[Yussef]

Paladin AF > Armsman AF !

 

[old.mattshanes]

Heh i never said s/s was gimped infact it's a great spec but imo i would see hybrid doing more damage and having good defence but not that much worse that pure s/s spec.

 

[mid_Efour]

hmmmmmmmmzzzz?

this is all pointless cos u know any warriors going to tear u up after this patch, ahahahah yeah dream on

And a question if a S/S warrior meets a S/S armsman 1 on 1 (likley i think not) all things being equal dosnt the ammount of points in weapon skill also affect the chance to hit the other person? how do they work it out? i have 50 wep 50 sheild 28 parry if an arms has 44 wep xx sheild xx parry wont the -6 points effect the chances to hit also? or is it purely just damage variation ie if u had 1 slash vs a warrior with 50 wep ur hit chances are the same but u end up doing 25 damage all the time?

Also from what i read of this next patch the block/parry rates are still way fucked up compared to how uber it is PvE.

discuss or cuss....

 

[old.mattshanes]

Efour you rock!!!(hehe i love saying that )

Nothing wrong with warriors!!!

 

[klavrynd]

warrior damage will be upped a bit in some patch thatll come in 6 lightyears, but untill they raise the 300str hard cap, playing a troll warrior just doesnt cut it.

If you're not as much an aggressive player, you can just protect your healer-nuker in rvr but slamming everyone and guarding them tho :swords:

 

[mid_Efour]

look i know i rock but u aint answer the freaking question, and stop telling me how to play my gimpy troll warrior i know i guard a healer wait for the zerg till kill most of us they laugh as 2x armsmen and pallys stick infornt of me and cut me to tiny chunks of troll meat, sometimes ill use IP if i feel like it.
heheheeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeheehhe

 

[Yussef]

Weaponskill vs Enemy Dex which in turn effects Parry/Block/Evade, so a higher spec in your weapon type will allow you to hit more.

 

[klavrynd]

...ammount of points in weapon skill also affect the chance to hit the other person

depends what you mean with weaponskill:

the little field in your statbar called wpnskill or the level of the weapon you specced in (in your case 50)

i'm still not 100% sure but i think that

weaponskill raises with your primary melee stat (str) and does alter your chance to hit, together with weapon bon.

the weapon train thingie just lowers damage variance, uppens cap damage and gives you styles

if not true, please say

 

[old.mattshanes]

Efour troll warriors hit me harder than most classes,yes they are a big target but yes they are dam tough,you just have to rvr in the right areas i guess and not meet the buffed up casters which alb has some right now because they will slaughter you.Then again in pure fights imo warriors do better than most classes,now get your troll out there and kill away to prove people that you are wrong

As for weaponskill it effects damage variance and cap slightly,but weapons with stats such as 5 slash lets say will be as good as a crafted weap.Spec more in weap and yes of course you hit harder i went all out damage as i am a offensive classes it be silly if i went defensive,although that i know i am happy with it anyway.

 

[klavrynd]

maybe you should get some lessons from planky

 

[Yussef]

WeaponSkill rises with the stats that effect your damage type and your weapon spec

 

[hrodelbert]

Efour is specced like me ooi what are you slash/shield parry etc with bonuses?

 

[klavrynd]

any idea what weapondmg does?

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yes efour if i were you i would talk to plankton about troll warriors his spec seems dam good,hehe he hits me harder than spearos with that 2h weap he has, dam hurts

 

[hrodelbert]

i have 61 in slash and my variation is still horendous tbh plus the dmg cap barely if at all raises when you have more than 50 slash

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

I've actually played a 2hand user and a poler, quitw awkward :E

 

[hrodelbert]

wpn dmg is basically your effective dps isn't it ie 1650 for my sword

 

[Yussef]

Weapondamage is the EDPS of your weapon (Effective DPS), it is effected by your DPS cap and the quality of your weapon.

 

[hrodelbert]

is it just me or does diamond slash suck bad?

 

[Yussef]

It's best with endurance regen, otherwise it sucks.

 

[hrodelbert]

Originally posted by Yussef
It's best with endurance regen, otherwise it sucks.

My ame slash regularly outdamages my diamond seems stupid

 

[Yussef]

Variance laddy, havent tested it thouroughly, but when I used to have it, I did notice increased damage.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Diamond slash has been ok for me but the end cost is silly considering when it hits well it doesn't do much more damage than amethyst,maybe the style is broken at the moment who knows:uhoh:

 

[hrodelbert]

aye generally it hits for harder... but with that end cost it should always hit for harder especially since it chains off ame. and i have 61 slash my varience should be none existant in a fair world

 

[Yussef]

Btw, I have used Polearms, Celtic Spears, Large Weapons, Two Handed etc

 

[mid_Efour]

well im sword spec and in mid its almsot impossible to get +sword itamz, other than those found on dropped weapons. Im sure u can get some stuff in DF but id rather have the resists.. blah blah

so usualy im about 50+3 sword 28+14 parry 50+14 sheild
with 150 dex unbuffed

speek to planky eheheh well i think hes a hammer user? i cant remember right now, but the styles that those guys have are just comicaly effecient compared to sword styles, also u gotta remmber the warders dont tend to run around un-buffed and they are a rather well organised rvr machine these days, sure if im buffed i can hit u prolly close too 300 with a 1 handed slowish sword and anywhere upto 500+ 2 handed but unless ur guild grouped ur rarely going to get well balanced groups.

anyway im playing my little hunter at the moment and quite luvin` it getting my own back on casters from a distance, as for all the infs u can go fuck urselves killing hunters when they dont yet have ip+purge isnt hard so do me a favour and just blow me a kiss im not worth enuff rps yet gimme a few more weeks.

Ive had one good fight with revminster so far came down to the last hit, but im sure he has IP so i doubt it would have mattered too much tee hee .......


EDIT: shit i just remmbered we have 0 STR relics please edit the figures above and knock off the last digit on the damage ones