Subscription......

[Damini]

If you don't want to pay for it, don't.

BW got bailed out once before by Game. That's bailed out, not given an endless supply of blank cheques. Nobodies saying this is going to be a smooth happy transition. There are going to be hitches.

It's hardly apartheid, that's astoundingly hysterical, it's not like "you can't play because you're black". It's "if you play from abroad your ping might not be so good, and it's up to you to evaluate the pro's and con's or subscribing to an english based server, or choosing one based closer to you." Let's not debate this like we write for The Sun, because it'll get us nowhere.

Awaken, you obviously have no intention of paying £12, you stated it before, flat out "I will never play for games" so I can't see why you are firing rhetoric over foreigners and the state of BW's servers. It was run by players, for players, yes, but what was run? A magical server that appeared out of thin air? And I think you'll find there's a world of difference between running *a* server and a multitude of servers, and I said before about the depreciation in value that banner advertising brings in.

There's no point getting heated in this debate. You pay, or you don't. Simple as that. I can't see why you are so angry.

 

[Nozzer]

Originally posted by awaken
Another thing, what are you gonna do if your friends play on different servers? Its gonna dissolve the communities around gametypes, and force people into a gameserver camp.

You wanna play on barrysworld, your friend wants to play on by, what yah gonna do? Each pay a sub to both services?

You aint gonna meet as many new people. Sure, maybe we do tend to play on the same servers, but we do go elsewhere and talk to other gamers.

Its going to divide the community, and reduce the multicultural nature of servers, its appartite for the gaming world! Are people who live abroad and dont ping well to barrys servers gonna want to subscribe? They might want the occasional game with their friends from the UK, but now they cant.

What do you say to that?


A few years ago, there were always gameserver divides. There was the Barrysworld lot and the Wireplay lot. Then Jolt arrived and bought some new people along. And so on, until today. Now they just intermingle, it'll probably just go back to how it used to be. With closer communities ad a result.

And: Some of you seem to say that the cash is needed to run this service.... HOW THE HELL DID THEY SURVIVE BEFOREHAND THEN? It was the community that ran it for gods sake! Barrysworld started with a server called barry for a Quakeworld clan, if I remember rightly, and it was run by players for players, and funded by their occasional clicks on adverts. Now we decide we want to pay someone else to do it for us?

When BarrysWorld was started it didn't have the pressure of thousands wanting to play Cunt0r-Shite on its servers. That's how.

 

[bodhi]

If BW servers are still in the same state they were 12 months ago, I wouldnt play on them even if you gave me £24 a game.

 

[throdgrain]

Its all been said already really.
But just for the record, I play cs on bw servers practically every day, the servers are about 90% full all evening , and I have had many many great games , mostly with the people I know. £12 ? Its well worth £12.
The servers may be emptier for a bit once p2p comes in , but there you go. Id still sooner play with the people I know than a load of names I never heard of. Also , the p2p is more likely to filter out the kids playing cs, and the cheats I think. Btw, I have no problem with kids playing cs at all, I just dont nescessarily want to get called a cunt by one of them

 

[Daffeh]

i have an idea...


get rid of all the CS servers to get rid of all the whining cunts (im assuming you play CS, as most arseholes seem to)

 

[S-Gray]

nahh, cs is ok

 

[Daffeh]

HEATHEN!!!



burn the heretic!

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Daffeh
i have an idea...


get rid of all the CS servers to get rid of all the whining cunts (im assuming you play CS, as most arseholes seem to)

Hear Hear.

BW would be a much better place.

*snogs Daf*

 

[Nozzer]

Cs, pff, stop livin' in the past!

 

[Daffeh]

AQ2 4eva!!!!

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by Daffeh
i have an idea...


get rid of all the CS servers to get rid of all the whining cunts (im assuming you play CS, as most arseholes seem to)

You're the one who seems to be doing the whining ??

And yeah , I like cs. Why would anyone one play Q2?

edit/ Maybe if you and Scooba both pay to play, then you can play Aq2 against, well.. each other I suppose

 

[bigbb]

I have to say, no really, I have to. I've been quite a believer in the advancement of BW to P2P, preaching to others about the superb new services, features and quality they're bound to benefit from. But, having been a few steps into the change, i've seen no evidence of signifcant benefits to being a subscriber, or infact any improvement in the service. Everything is the same, you just have to pay for it now.

I may be completely wrong, but then if I am, it wasn't presented and explained well enough.

 

[throdgrain]

Hmm. Well , I hope for improvements, but thats not totally the issue. Not so long ago BW was going broke and we were all wailing how sad that was. Now we're told £12 a year and it can carry on. It doesn't seem a lot of money to me, thats all Im saying. If it turns out to be a disaster with no one playing, it still seems a fair risk to me, you've not lost much .
Daffeh, I dont know what ive done to you btw, but if it helps I played q2 for years before moving to cs. As well as cs I also play DoD,RtCW, UT, Q3, Op Flash and Q3UT. On BW servers where possible. Are all those games "cunts games " then ? Is it only things that you like that are ok ?

 

[Nozzer]

You've got to admit, CS does have a reputation for being full of obnoxius pubescents.

 

[throdgrain]

Agreed. I think that and I play the bloody game !
But the fact is its also a really good game, still better than any other ive played online or off. The point I was making was that p2p might discourage the obnoxious pubescents from playing in the first place. Like I said in my first post, all the really good games I have in cs are on BW with people like Super Gray and many others who post on here. The "omg h4x0r" peeps are the ones (imo) who are most likely not to pay.
I may be wrong , who knows, but Im willing to bet £12 a year on it

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Nozzer
You've got to admit, CS does have a reputation for being full of obnoxius pubescents.

No more than most other games when you take in to account the ratio of players to obnoxius pubescents.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by bigbb
Everything is the same, you just have to pay for it now.

Amen. Barrysworld has turned from a brilliant community site, into a faceless, corporate games site similar to Gamespot, FilePlanet or Gamespy. Quite tragic really.

 

[Nozzer]

Originally posted by Embattle


No more than most other games when you take in to account the ratio of players to obnoxius pubescents.

Note the word 'reputation'.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

BF1942 > CS

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Nozzer


Note the word 'reputation'.

I did thanks.

 

[Nylex]

Lol.

 

[]SK[]

I dont tend to play where my mates do, I live on certain servers. Being an admin you do tend to see the same names on the same servers. These are the sorts of people who will pay for the service. BW servers are home to many gamers.

 

[Embattle]

When the first few people subscribed they were making more money than at any time in the past.

 

[Sawtooth]

its my home!

Spare some change guv for a lonely gamer with a cable modem and two pcs to support...rattle ....rattle


£12 quid....a bargain.

If you play it, they will come.

 

[KyleMac]

I'm about 99% certain that when I get home I will subscribe. But why? Well when I launch Tribes 2 I see a BlueYonder server, 2 GamesDomain.co.uk servers and about 13 BarrysWorld servers. The BY is often full, the GamesDomain servers are often empty, and usually at least 3 BW servers have over 20 players in them. Not to forget the BF1942 server of course.

£12, not really much to me and I'm only 16. Hell I spent £12 on gaming magazines last week and found the cover discs disappointing and I'm too lazy to read the damn things. But I don't feel like I've wasted money because they're shiny and stuff...

I do however expect something to make me pay the £12 again next year (although I think the GAME discount wont be available then so possibly £24). I don't expect it immediately, but I do expect it.

BW are flogging off the FTP as part of the deal but I believe in recent months it's really degraded. It used to be almost a mirror of FilePlanet (something which would be worth £12 alone) and I'd like it to return to that.

Up a bit I said 13 BW T2 servers and only 3 in use. BW really do need to take down some of their servers and allocate them to other games and mods. I find it nearly impossible to find T2 mod servers in the UK but BW has damn 8 CTF servers! One of which is stuck on the now annoying Katabatic. Maybe some nice old QW or Q2 mods or even an old obscure game we can't remember but as soon as we play we love.

Cheaters, whiners, TKers and plain bitches. People we all hate and something this P2P could very well help filter. I might even be able to play CS again without being annoyed by the people my own age.

Some people seem to be saying a closed community BW would be a bad thing. Anyone who remembers WirePlay back when it was subscription/3p a minute will remember what great fun it could be. This closed community does however have its drawbacks especially now since I have a large group of international friends. Usually we play on booked servers so not too much of a problem. JK2 duel against the guy at Raven who coded most of the thing is pretty hard, and yes BW is that international.

This £12 is for the past, the peace of mind that I can still join any server in the present and the wishing well of the future. The next £12 will need to be for something much greater however especially if other services go P2P. BW may have the most servers but I ping much better to BY at the moment.

 

[Sar]

BigBB: The service has been subscribable for about a week - wait about 2/3 months before you can expect to see any tangible improvement in the service once the cash starts flowing and new equipment is being bought etc.

In general:

Those of us, the early subscribers (yes I did pay even though I can get it free, and no I don't mind in the least) are the ones that are helping BW get this off the ground. Are we the ones that actually care about the service more than anyone else? Debatable.


And I'd again like to point out this false dichotomy: That either BW open the publics to everyone or else the servers will be empty.

That's bollocks.

The people who've paid for the whole BW service (not just servers) will be playing on them. Duh.

The service will be hit by emptier servers over the first few weeks/months. That's common sense. But as the subscriber numbers grow so too will the player numbers.

By paying you're making a palpable contribution to something you (presumably if you're reading these words) spend a lot of time doing, ensuring that the service that you've spent so long freeloading off of continues.

I love all these clueless n00bs who think that WP was their great shining example of how to run a service for free. I guarantee you none of these so called "hardcore" were around in the mid-90's when WP was launched, because they clearly haven't the first clue about the history of GSPs in the UK.

I'd rather play on BW than anywhere else tbh. Mainly because the standard of publics play is a lot higher.

In RA3 on publics I average a kill per minute - so in an hour I'll have 60 frags (clan arena). I played on a BY ra3 server the other night for the first in months, as I couldn't remember why I'd stayed off them for so long.

In 4 minutes I had 12 frags. This continued on. It ended up with one of the players stating:

"fuck u cheating bitch or fucking geek"
"bs faag"
"you cheatin fag"
"fuck u"

>Lamer disconnected.

And that was on a night when I was playing particularly piss poor. The standard of skill on BY is an utter joke, and not even worth playing against - I'd get a harder game out of "I Can Win" bots for gods sake.

As for jolt, their servers are ok, but tbh their community sucks. We saw that for ourselves a few months ago - it's full of kids with nothing better to do than piss ppl off. I have an IQ of 160. Trying to think down to their level literally fucking hurts.

If you're just looking for a free ride then please, by all means do piss off. You're leeching bandwidth the rest of us have paid good money for. If however you would like to give something back to a service which you've ridden off of for free for over 4 years (allegedly) then step up cowboy and break open the wallet for a change.

Roll on Tuesday when the servers go subs only.

 

[throdgrain]

Well said Sar

 

[Skyler]

Originally posted by awaken
Hmm. subscription, what does everyone else think? I've had a free barrysworld account and email pretty much since they started the membership thingy, and I've been playing on barrysworld server for 4 years, since about 1998, and I can say one thing.... even with my wubbly student loan, I'm never gonna pay for gaming, which means I'm going elsewhere.

Paying for clanservers is one thing, maybe even a small fee for renting a server, but paying for public servers? I think a quick scan of gamespy says it all, empty, all empty. Whos going to pay for something you can get free, and ESPECIALLY whos gonna pay to play on empty servers?

4 years of play..... plus god knows how long youve had your email account etc. for.....

and you wont even pay a measly 12 quid for that ?
even just to say THANK YOU to bw for providing you with all that for the past 4 years..

12quid is affordable to anyone...

i think you need to start thinking properly and be more supportive of bw, they have done shitloads for gaming and the communities, and even you yourself, but you wont even pay a measly 12 pounds for the privelage?


pathetic.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

I want my subs back 'cause Trebz camped a tower and sniped me 3 times in BF 1942.

Ta

 

[Nylex]

Originally posted by Sar
I played on a BY ra3 server the other night for the first in months, as I couldn't remember why I'd stayed off them for so long.

In 4 minutes I had 12 frags. This continued on. It ended up with one of the players stating:

"fuck u cheating bitch or fucking geek"
"bs faag"
"you cheatin fag"
"fuck u"

This is true. I was playing on BY RA3 server earlier today and after I killed someone with a railgun:

"lamer"
"?"
"half ping and you only use rail"

It's a bit pathetic really :/.