Steam OS Announced.

[Raven]

There is more junk than useful stuff in windows because it has to be a jack of all trades.

 

[Scouse]

There is more junk than useful stuff in windows because it has to be a jack of all trades.

Even if I agreed it doesn't harm the FPS much tho does it - even by Valve's estimation.

It's stuff like frame grabbing where linux'll get ahead. But I'm not someone who wants to videotape me playing video games


Edit: And anyway, I do more than just play games with computers. Steam box is just a shit computer that does something that something else already does and not a lot besides.

Or rather, a console!

 

[BloodOmen]

Thats all ANY modern console is.....

Yes, but my point is I can already turn Big Picture on, plug a control pad into my PC and play all of my Steam games, why on earth would I buy a Steam box to do the same basically?

 

[Gwadien]

Yes, but my point is I can already turn Big Picture on, plug a control pad into my PC and play all of my Steam games, why on earth would I buy a Steam box to do the same basically?

I suppose it offers like a one stop console-pc alternative where (I'd imagine) you don't have to do all the small time maintenance such as defragging, updating drivers etc etc.

Which I suppose wouldn't attract the likes of you, but will open PC gaming to the masses rather than a few?

 

[BloodOmen]

I suppose it offers like a one stop console-pc alternative where (I'd imagine) you don't have to do all the small time maintenance such as defragging, updating drivers etc etc.

Which I suppose wouldn't attract the likes of you, but will open PC gaming to the masses rather than a few?

Aye I see the point behind it but I don't see the point behind it at the same time because it'll need constantly upgrading to support newer games and the average joe who isn't PC savvy won't know how to do it, is this where Gabe plans to make his fat $$$ from upgrades?

 

[Gwadien]

Aye I see the point behind it but I don't see the point behind it at the same time because it'll need constantly upgrading to support newer games and the average joe who isn't PC savvy won't know how to do it, is this where Gabe plans to make his fat $$$ from upgrades?

Nah, I reckon Gabe won't want to make his fat $$$s from upgrades, I think he's a damn lot cleverer than that, as you can see from the likes of Dota 2, CS:GO, and TF2, Valve make absolute fuck loads of money from selling cosmetic stuff, I'm not saying he'll start to sell really expensive cases for the Steam Box, I just think this'll be something they've thought about, and they'll find another way to make their dollar.

 

[Embattle]

I'm not poo poo the idea I just hate it when people over hype something which in essence already exists.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm not poo poo the idea I just hate it when people over hype something which in essence already exists.

But as I said to BO, I think it's irrelevant for people here who have a good working PC already, I see it as another contender for the consoles.

 

[Poag]

I see it in the following light.

I have a good PC, i play alot of PC games. However I am currently in a position where i want to move my gaming out of my office into my lounge. However I do not want to move the PC around as I still use it as an office.

Using a steambox in my lounge means i can keep my massive PC game collection, but gain the comfy lounge environment for controller games. I dont have to buy a console (but will need a steambox of some description), and i dont need to repurchase my game collection.

To me it seems like a win-win situation to me!....

 

[DaGaffer]

I see it in the following light.

I have a good PC, i play alot of PC games. However I am currently in a position where i want to move my gaming out of my office into my lounge. However I do not want to move the PC around as I still use it as an office.

Using a steambox in my lounge means i can keep my massive PC game collection, but gain the comfy lounge environment for controller games. I dont have to buy a console (but will need a steambox of some description), and i dont need to repurchase my game collection.

To me it seems like a win-win situation to me!....

Kind of depends what you play. There's a reason why certain games (FPS and RTS in particular) are more successfully realised on PC than console. Playing them on your Steam Console is still going to be a usability issue. This is where the real test of this concept is going to be seen; sticking your PC games straight into a controller and TV environment isn't going to work unless the games themselves are adapted for the environment properly; if Valve can give you that experience without making the whole thing an economic waste of time (for users and developers), then they're in with a shout of making this work; if it turns out the developers make less money doing it this way than by creating dedicated console titles and/or consumers find the cost of steam games going up to cover the extra dev needed; it probably won't.

 

[Fweddy]

And their final announcement of the week, a new controller http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamController/

Looks interesting.

 

[Kryten]

Looks very interesting - visualising it in my hands, it looks like it could work. There's a reason all gamepads look reasonably similar these days though, that's because they work. Maybe they're reinventing the wheel, on the other hand they could be proving that MS/Sony have been resting on their laurels.

 

[chipper]

what do you think of the new steam controller? its certainly different and a break from the norm i cant see it beating a mouse and keyboard for accuracy tho

 

[Yaka]

it might do but i doubt there will be much uptake from kb/mouse as always

there was a controller that worked well in fps games once you got the hang of it its came free with the descent/forsaken box i got in the 90s but there wasn't much of uptake.
the controller patent valve filled looks similar to the space orb as well.

the tech lives on in the brilliant connextion peripherals logitech makes aimed 3d artists

 

[Embattle]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/valve-reveals-specs-for-its-prototype-steam-machines/

 

[Scouse]

Controller in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=eeAjkbNq4xI&v=EUlzg-fkHak

Suspicious of the CS:GO demonstration. It's of the training bit rather than in-game.

For obvious reasons, IMO.

 

[Gwadien]

Meh, if they make it exclusively controller use, I think that'd be a bad move.

 

[Raven]

I wont bother with it if it is.

also, several swipes to move the cursor ...er. I am used to moving a mouse a couple of inches from one side of the screen to the other.

 

[caLLous]

They'll never replicate mouse/kb awesomeness with a device that isn't a mouse and a kb.

 

[Zarjazz]

They'll never replicate mouse/kb awesomeness with a device that isn't a mouse and a kb.

I'm waiting for the neural interface so I can control pixels with my mind.

 

[Chilly]

I'm waiting for the neural interface so I can control pixels with my mind.

Yeah, the best ones today are dog shit. The scary thing will be when the tech is good but requires a lot of training, a kid who uses it from age 10 will be forever better at any reaction-based game than someone not using it. It'll be a whole new level of kb-mouse style advantage.

 

[MYstIC G]

Meh, if they make it exclusively controller use, I think that'd be a bad move.

They won't that would be stupid, it's been a while since Valve did stupid.

I wont bother with it if it is.

also, several swipes to move the cursor ...er. I am used to moving a mouse a couple of inches from one side of the screen to the other.

Your existing games will doubtless have mouse sensitivity, why would this be any different?

Frankly the controller still looks somewhat naff to me but I think they need to be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

[old.Tohtori]

When someone beats a korean in starcraft with that thing, then it's a solid proven device

 

[MYstIC G]

When someone beats a korean in starcraft with that thing, then it's a solid proven device

You can't do that with a KB/M ffs.

 

[Scouse]

You can't do that with a KB/M ffs.

That's because they're better than us.


Tbh - I think the controller's probably a step up from traditional controllers for consoles. But it is clearly not up to the job of a keyboard and mouse - which I sit with on my settee with - keyboard on my lap and mouse on a hard mouse mat next to me. Took me about a day to get used to the feel of the new seating position.

I simply cannot understand why anyone who likes PC games doesn't simply give it a decent try. Even if I'm probably better at the traditional desk/monitor setup I wouldn't voluntarily go back to it.

Better than consoles by far. Better than sat at a desk. Win-fucking-win

 

[Gwadien]

That's because they're better than us.


Tbh - I think the controller's probably a step up from traditional controllers for consoles. But it is clearly not up to the job of a keyboard and mouse - which I sit with on my settee with - keyboard on my lap and mouse on a hard mouse mat next to me. Took me about a day to get used to the feel of the new seating position.

I simply cannot understand why anyone who likes PC games doesn't simply give it a decent try. Even if I'm probably better at the traditional desk/monitor setup I wouldn't voluntarily go back to it.

Better than consoles by far. Better than sat at a desk. Win-fucking-win

Where could you -try- it though, rather than buying one?

 

[Scouse]

Where could you -try- it though, rather than buying one?

Simple. On my PC.

It's going to be "hackable" eh? But I don't think we'll need a hack - valve will have windows drivers at launch.

None of this closed sony/M$ console bullshit.

 

[Yaka]

Simple. On my PC.

It's going to be "hackable" eh? But I don't think we'll need a hack - valve will have windows drivers at launch.

None of this closed sony/M$ console bullshit.

dunno why valve said hackable, they clearly meant that if someone wanted to use it for other means they shoulda able to without a hitch as everything thats needed will be available. the arduino crowd are a pretty happy about it