stanley tookie willaims

[Job]

Very pleased the murdering psycopath is dead, also pleased it took so long, so he could stew for a while to contemplate his fate.

Regardless of what he did as in possibly causing the deaths of thousands with his gangs, just that one act of shooting a young man in the back twice while he lay on the floor, that was an act of pure psycopathic, perverted, pleasure.

UTTER,UTTER EVIL

They should have allowed that guys mates to torture the fucker to death.

And as for the socially disconnected fuckwits who supported that scum, they need some serious rehabilitation, a little bit of introduction in to the world of the victims and not the celebrity lead delusions some people have slipped into.

'Oh he wrote a book'

So fookin what, he destroyed lives, murdered whole families in cold blood for his own pleasure, including young girls and somehow writing a frekin book is redemption, I shake my head in despair sometimes at societys values.

THANK GOD FOR THE DEATH PENALTY

 

[Vilje]

I have chosed to interpret it as "Eye for eye" as most does. That is also why I had it shortened down to the version most here knows/remembers and uses.

Yeah, but since it is up to everyone to interpret the saying as they like, I feel that it is a bit wrong to use only a small bit of it as an argument in a discussion, as you did. If you interpret it, and then post it -people can't make up their own minds about it. Therefore I posted the whole thing =)

And if it is like you say, that most people here remember and use this (your) interpretion(sp?) of this saying -That scares me. If everyone thinks like that, there sure is a lot more violence going on out there than it has to be/should be.

Afaik, the saying is also commonly used as an analogy on abortion, and many other things as well.

 

[Ezteq]

tbh you shouldn't go about killing folk, no matter how many angles you want to look at it from you just shouldn't, and if you do you know the consequences of it.

So tbh all these people on death row that moan and winge about how much they're sorry for what they did doesn't alter the fact that A) they killed someone and B) they knew it was wrong, tbh if you can't face the penalty don't sodding do the crime because you know what happens if you do, and people that commit murder in places where there is a death penalty are so flipping stupid they deserve what they get.

 

[tris-]

i love ezteq, always thinks exactly the same as me

 

[Shatari]

Yeah, but since it is up to everyone to interpret the saying as they like, I feel that it is a bit wrong to use only a small bit of it as an argument in a discussion, as you did. If you interpret it, and then post it -people can't make up their own minds about it. Therefore I posted the whole thing =)

And if it is like you say, that most people here remember and use this (your) interpretion(sp?) of this saying -That sure scares me. Sure is a lot of violence going on then, if everyone thinks like that.

Afaik, the saying is also commonly used as an analogy on abortion, and many other things as well.

yup, that is true. Although I didn't mean that most here use it in THAT way I think you refer to. More verbal usage if you know what I mean.

 

[Chronictank]

Very pleased the murdering psycopath is dead, also pleased it took so long, so he could stew for a while to contemplate his fate.

snip
So fookin what, he destroyed lives, murdered whole families in cold blood for his own pleasure, including young girls and somehow writing a frekin book is redemption, I shake my head in despair sometimes at societys values.

THANK GOD FOR THE DEATH PENALTY

he equally saved countless lives with his anti-gang propaganda
newsflash, when hes dead he is not suffering
(dependant on your beliefs ofc)

you have just called those who dont disagree with you "socially disconnected fuckwits" because they see 2 sides of the fence and god forbid actually expressed their opinions.

Thank god everyone doesnt think like you,

 

[liloe]

I'm sorry but nobody deserves to die. Yes, sometimes I wish that some people would never see the light of the world again, but jailing someone with hard punishment like forced labour is something you can turn back if you see you've been wrong, even after years, but killing someone is a step you can never take back.

I know the opinion about religion is generally not really good on these boards from what I've read, but from a religious point of view I say that every person can change and become a respected member of society and killing someone is also against the principe of forgiveness. Now you might say I'm a lunatic if I believe some people will ever change but actually you cannot see the future, so generally every person CAN and by killing someone you're denying that person the opportunity to do that change. That does not change the fact that punishment is ok, cause every deed has to have its consequences. Oh and yes I know it's hard to forgive someone who just killed your whole family and I'm not sure what I'd think myself, but that is my PoV about the whole thing =)

 

[Ezteq]

i love ezteq, always thinks exactly the same as me

don't know what you mean old chap















*thinks of angelina jolies boobs covered in marmite*

 

[Vilje]

yup, that is true. Although I didn't mean that most here use it in THAT way I think you refer to. More verbal usage if you know what I mean.

Ah, my mistake, I understand what you ment now =) Little misunderstanding there, sorry about that.


Grats by the way, I think you just dinged Regular Freddy on me

 

[tris-]

i dunno how you can say its ok for someone to be locked up untill they are 75 and then say sorry we made a mistake you were never guilty.

but you cant say say death is ok with the chance of the person being innocent.

what your basically saying is youd rather an innocent person suffer till they are nearly dead rather than not have them suffer at all? if not, please make it clear.

don't know what you mean old chap
*thinks of angelina jolies boobs covered in marmite*

god, you dirty whore. its like your just reading my mind!

 

[Job]

How can anyone believe for 1 millisecond that he 'saved lives' with his anti-gang propoganda,apart form being totaly unprovable
,are we saying thousands of people turned up and said....

'Sheet I was gonna put a cap in his ass, but then I thought of Old Tookie'

You can't run the most murderous and psycopathic gang for years and then turn round and say 'that was bad'

He started the trend of gang killings, the idea of killing for the sake of it and killing innocents giving you kudos in the gang, that mentality exists to this day, and thay had the lobotomic disfunction to offer that evil bastard the frekin Nobel peace prize FFS!!!

PEACE PRIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feel free to be socially and morally disconnected from reality ,but if you are prepared to let psycopathic murder slide to satisfy some navel peering theological turmoil, then I have to use the 'fuckwit 'word .

 

[liloe]

i dunno how you can say its ok for someone to be locked up untill they are 75 and then say sorry we made a mistake you were never guilty.

but you cant say say death is ok with the chance of the person being innocent.

what your basically saying is youd rather an innocent person suffer till they are nearly dead rather than not have them suffer at all? if not, please make it clear.

Most of the times it's not till 75 though, often enough they found out that someone was not guilty shortly after that person was executed.

 

[tris-]

it still doesnt answer my question does it?

 

[Chronictank]

How can anyone believe for 1 millisecond that he 'saved lives' with his anti-gang propoganda,apart form being totaly unprovable
,are we saying thousands of people turned up and said....

'Sheet I was gonna put a cap in his ass, but then I thought of Old Tookie'

You can't run the most murderous and psycopathic gang for years and then turn round and say 'that was bad'

He started the trend of gang killings, the idea of killing for the sake of it and killing innocents giving you kudos in the gang, that mentality exists to this day, and thay had the lobotomic disfunction to offer that evil bastard the frekin Nobel peace prize FFS!!!

PEACE PRIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feel free to be socially and morally disconnected from reality ,but if you are prepared to let psycopathic murder slide to satisfy some navel peering theological turmoil, then I have to use the 'fuckwit 'word .

you cant proove he started gang killing just like you cant proove he saved lives
And 1 person doesnt decide if a person is worthy of a peace prize, they are nominated and then a board decides each case.

try thinking outside the box you have constructed
He isnt free, hes in a 8x8 jail cell for 85% of his life. If from said cell he is helping on the outside in whatever way i find it completely stupid to execute him rather than keeping him locked up.

I also will reitterate again, i didn't say he should be free'd. I also dont think he should be executed
feel free to have a narrow minded view focused on one aspect of his life. your entitled to it and unlike you, im not going to lower myself to flaming you jsut because your view conflicts with mine

 

[tris-]

lol, what your saying is even worse. your just abusing someone and keeping them locked up so they can help others?! thats rediculous.

 

[liloe]

it still doesnt answer my question does it?

I'm sry, I just re-read your post =) Well being in jail in a civilised country is far from starving, but nontheless I am for more forced labour by jailed people, simply to pay the cost they cause to the government.

So no, I'm not for letting people rot till they're old =)

 

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would anyone change their mind if the poll was to be reset?

 

[Chronictank]

lol, what your saying is even worse. your just abusing someone and keeping them locked up so they can help others?! thats rediculous.

hardly
he should pay for his crimes, which is why he is there, if he is heping others out of his own choice that is his decision, so long as he isnt free'd it doesnt really matter does it? Point is if hes dead he isnt helping anyone anymore, nor is he paying for what he did

I'm sry, I just re-read your post =) Well being in jail in a civilised country is far from starving, but nontheless I am for more forced labour by jailed people, simply to pay the cost they cause to the government.

So no, I'm not for letting people rot till they're old =)

100% agree with you, they should make them work while they are in prison until they are no long physically able

 

[tris-]

were u not agreeing with the other people though its impossible to know 100% certain he is guilty of anything? if i am wrong then i am sorry.

 

[Ormorof]

tbh you shouldn't go about killing folk, no matter how many angles you want to look at it from you just shouldn't, and if you do you know the consequences of it.

So tbh all these people on death row that moan and winge about how much they're sorry for what they did doesn't alter the fact that A) they killed someone and B) they knew it was wrong, tbh if you can't face the penalty don't sodding do the crime because you know what happens if you do, and people that commit murder in places where there is a death penalty are so flipping stupid they deserve what they get.

how you can say that first sentence and then agree with the death penalty is beyond me

let me break down what you said: "you shouldn't go about killing folk, no matter how many angles you want to look at it from you just shouldn't"

so you shouldnt go about killing folk... EXCEPT if theyve killed other folk?

 

[tris-]

so you shouldnt go about killing folk... EXCEPT if theyve killed other folk?

sounds about right to me.

 

[Chronictank]

were u not agreeing with the other people though its impossible to know 100% certain he is guilty of anything? if i am wrong then i am sorry.

nop, i was disagreeing with the death penalty. I dont believe in a life for a life, but i do believe in people having to face the concequences of their actions.

 

[tris-]

i just want to know then, u agree people should be punished without 100% certainty they deserve punishment?

considering 100% certainty is impossible (apparently).

 

[Job]

Well Islamic law or Shia law or whatever it is, has a real neat solution, the relatives of the victim get to chose the punishment, life as in proper life , not the pathetic -insult-to-the-victims 15 yrs we dole out in the UK, death or he can take a short sentence but gives all his wordly goods to the relatives.

 

[Chronictank]

Well Islamic law or Shia law or whatever it is, has a real neat solution, the relatives of the victim get to chose the punishment, life as in proper life , not the pathetic -insult-to-the-victims 15 yrs we dole out in the UK, death or he can take a short sentence but gives all his wordly goods to the relatives.

Islamic Law,
and i agree with you the sentances in this country for most things is a joke, if they were made to work off their debt (i mean real work like hard labour). They wouldnt be so keen to go to prison again.

But thats digressing from the topic

 

[Arumos]

whether he changed or not, his actions led to the deaths of 4 innocent individuals. What option would their family select?

my personal view is along the lines of the above. However, what he has done since the incident has had an effect on a lot of people in the 'gang culture' and i am sure has saved many lives.

I wouldn't say i am for the death penalty but i think some of the people in this world are too poisenous they shud be killed. people say why? lets make them sufffer...why not end their life and be rid than waste money by keeping them alive in order to play chess, sleep in warm bed, choise meals and earn 10 million from 'a life in prison by <insert random cerial killer name here>' not that life isn't actually life its 20 years or something, and 2 life sentences (lol) is 40 years (don't know figures).

Should life mean life? or is that to simple to be implemented...things are beond my understanding sometimes, help

 

[Chronictank]

i just want to know then, u agree people should be punished without 100% certainty they deserve punishment?

considering 100% certainty is impossible (apparently).

nop if found guilty by a jury because of the [/b]evidence they should be sentanced accordingly. But saying that they should also be given the chance to appel, not simply be ignored

Aswell as that as i said before life should mean life, as in until they are dead. And they should be forced to literally pay back their debt to soceity by labour

As i said before, i dont think there should be a death penalty, we are not god therefore we dont choose who lives or dies.
But thats just my opinion
(someone no doubt said they are choosing who lives or dies when they kill someone, im sure your parent has said this at some point to you "if he jumps off a cliff, would you follow him")

 

[tris-]

but there is no 100% certainty the person is a criminal so how yu can say he should be in forced labour?

 

[Chronictank]

but there is no 100% certainty the person is a criminal so how yu can say he should be in forced labour?

if found guilty by a jury because of the evidence they should be sentanced accordingly. But saying that, they should also be given the chance to appeal
edit: fixed spelling mistake

i answered it before

 

[Zede]

I find it hilarious that this tookie bloke and other "reformed" multiple murderers like Myra Hindly have all these do gooders whining for their release. ofc we dont have the death penelty , and to be honest its the easy way out.

Better to let them all to rot in some slimy dungeon ( keltoi will do) and have them slowly go mad. When they want it most, deny them.