Film SPECTRE

[old.user4556]

He would be shit for Bond.

 

[Lamp]

Bond needs freshening up. It's getting tired

 

[fettoken]

Mr Bacon. James Bacon.

 

[Shagrat]

It's going to be Taylor Swift.

 

[old.user4556]

A great Bond film. Substance and plot.

Spoiler

great twist

 

[Ormorof]

Craziest rumor i heard about next bond is Tarantino to direct, that would be kinda shit tbh

 

[ECA]

The problem with Tarantino is that he has only yes men. Lots of his decisions are a bit dumb and just need somebody to curb it a little.
Django near the end in particular, as well as large portions of Inglorious Bastards.

If it does happen it'll be within the constraints of a bond film though so there won't be as much room for stupid reference shots.

I want a Gareth Evans bond film

 

[Raven]

I would take a Tarantino Bond, would be different.

 

[Zarjazz]

Craziest rumor i heard about next bond is Tarantino to direct, that would be kinda shit tbh

Well say what you like about his films but he knows how to direct an action scene. He's actually done something like this already a long time ago. He directed a two-part TV episode of Alias, spy-fi hiinx without his usual gore and rapper swearing. They were definitely some of the best episodes the show ever did.

 

[caLLous]

He wrote and directed one of the season finales of CSI as well if I remember rightly and it was very well received.

edit: yep, the season 5 finale.

 

[DaGaffer]

A great Bond film. Substance and plot.

Spoiler

great twist

Spoiler

I think you and I have very different definitions of "twist". How could you not see that coming?

 

[DaGaffer]

Just got back. Spoilers below. DO NOT OPEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THINGS FROM THE FILM!

SPOILERS!!!!!

Spoiler

Trite, over long, no surprises, doesn't bear close scrutiny. So, pretty much like the last three then. Sadly, this is supposed to be the climax of the Daniel Craig Bonds but oh dear. I won't reveal the "twist", but the biggest problem with recent era Bond films is that they've tried to modernise by replacing nukes and lasers as the maguffin with surveillance and information, and they're terrible at it. The ridiculous nonsense of the last one - Q the Wonder hacker - only even more so this time around. The surveillance plot revolves around Q saving the day, which makes no sense; he saves nothing because information doesn't work that way, and anyone who's used the internet in the last 20 years knows it, apart from the writers of this. As for the "main" plot, well, let's just say there are no surprises at all, and as with Casino Royale and Skyfall, Bond's technique of letting himself get captured and tortured to somehow get the bad guys to drop their guard is taken to new and ridiculous levels. Oh and disposable henchmen like a 1990s FPS with AI out of a cereal packet. And they managed to make a car chase involving a one-off Aston and a one-off Jag boring. Are there pluses? Lea Seydoux is easy on the eye and Monica Belucci is too (for the small amount of time she's in it), and Dave Bautista is a passable baddie (even if his key scene is entirely ripped off an earlier Bond movie), albeit no Drax the Destroyer, and there's an OK alpine chase (but Roger Moore did it better. Twice.) And that's about it. Time for a Bond rethink methinks.

 

[Calaen]

Just got back. Spoilers below. DO NOT OPEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THINGS FROM THE FILM!

SPOILERS!!!!!

Spoiler

Trite, over long, no surprises, doesn't bear close scrutiny. So, pretty much like the last three then. Sadly, this is supposed to be the climax of the Daniel Craig Bonds but oh dear. I won't reveal the "twist", but the biggest problem with recent era Bond films is that they've tried to modernise by replacing nukes and lasers as the maguffin with surveillance and information, and they're terrible at it. The ridiculous nonsense of the last one - Q the Wonder hacker - only even more so this time around. The surveillance plot revolves around Q saving the day, which makes no sense; he saves nothing because information doesn't work that way, and anyone who's used the internet in the last 20 years knows it, apart from the writers of this. As for the "main" plot, well, let's just say there are no surprises at all, and as with Casino Royale and Skyfall, Bond's technique of letting himself get captured and tortured to somehow get the bad guys to drop their guard is taken to new and ridiculous levels. Oh and disposable henchmen like a 1990s FPS with AI out of a cereal packet. And they managed to make a car chase involving a one-off Aston and a one-off Jag boring. Are there pluses? Lea Seydoux is easy on the eye and Monica Belucci is too (for the small amount of time she's in it), and Dave Bautista is a passable baddie (even if his key scene is entirely ripped off an earlier Bond movie), albeit no Drax the Destroyer, and there's an OK alpine chase (but Roger Moore did it better. Twice.) And that's about it. Time for a Bond rethink methinks.

I haven't even seen it, but I felt the same about the previous three movies to be honest, I'll probably go along in a couple of weeks while catching up with some friends. Hopefully it'll have some product placement that always gives me something to giggle at!

 

[ECA]

I don't actually think the Daniel Craig films are very good.

Casino Royale had a shitty plot, awful poker sections and was bleh. The charisma of the cast made it ok. 6/10
Quantum of Solace - total garbage. 3/10
Skyfall - Actually decent. 8 or 9/10

It sucks because you can see the potential of the cast but the scripts are kinda letting it down.

 

[old.user4556]

Trite, over long, no surprises, doesn't bear close scrutiny.

What were you expecting? It's a Bond movie. This is what's not making sense when I've spoken to people about it - they've been dismissive about it like "pfffft, it's just like every other Bond - unrealistic and silly". WELL FUCK, who knew?

There's nothing wrong with not liking it obviously, I think the hype has set people's expectations to the point that it's going to be something utterly mind blowing, but it isn't - it's just another Bond movie. It's got cars, a few gadgets, hot women, a bad guy, explosions and espionage.

As for James Bond in general, I don't really know where else it can be taken without a serious ground-up reboot, they can't keep knocking them out forever.

 

[DaGaffer]

There's nothing wrong with not liking it obviously, I think the hype has set people's expectations to the point that it's going to be something utterly mind blowing, but it isn't - it's just another Bond movie. It's got cars, a few gadgets, hot women, a bad guy, explosions and espionage.

Problem is it doesn't do a very good job with those ingredients, and takes itself far too seriously. When the whole Craig era started, it was pitched as "Bond for the Bourne era", but it just doesn't work. To be honest I don't know where they go from here.

 

[Job]

All went downhill after Rodger Moore.

 

[Zarjazz]

I believe all the Bonds went downhill, usually on skis.

 

[old.user4556]

but it just doesn't work

I don't mind it, I don't expect much from Bond though.

 

[Talivar]

It does work though and thats proved by the way the recent films have made a fortune and people keep going back to see them at the cinema then buy them on Blu/Ray/DVD

 

[Ormorof]

I enjoyed all the new ones looking forward to seeing spectre

Oh and rodger moore was worst bond imo

 

[Scouse]

A great Bond film. Substance and plot.

Spoiler

great twist

You fucking what??! The bird liked it tho....

 

[ECA]

I enjoyed all the new ones looking forward to seeing spectre

Oh and rodger moore was worst bond imo

Sean Connery was worst bond.

watch Never Say Never Again.

 

[Yoni]

It was a traditional bond film... Loved it!

 

[soze]

I thought it was a great film but there is something I did not like.

Spoiler

I always really like the whole "007 is James Bond" idea. As in the face does not matter the person doing the job the person that is 007 then becomes James Bond. It could be such a fantastic film. In the first five minutes we see Daniel Craig getting shot in the face and killed. The 008 or whoever takes over and becomes James Bond. It would be an easy way to explain the different faces ect and works the same way as M and Q. But they way we keep getting bullshit flashes back into his past it has tied James Bond to Daniel Craig. And the whole Spectre thing being a personal vendetta was not needed. But as it has happened I do not know now if they could do it.

 

[Scouse]

Thought it was a bit rubbish tbh.

Spoiler

So Blofeld was bond's sorta "brother", given away by the photo early on. Lame. Blofeld as a character (and actor in this) has the potential to be really really interesting. But what did he actually do?

Fucking nothing! So what if he was behind all of the other bad guys and was the "architect" of bond's misfortunes. If they were going to go down the route of a 70's bond, with a 2015 skin on top they should have at least have given Blofeld a more dastardly plan than internet snooping.

He was also ridiculously easy to apprehend. He needed to be more of a genius than Javier Bardem's character in Skyfall as he was effectively his boss. But he was a retard who fell for the obvious exploding watch. (Why wasn't that taken off bond ffs?)

The strength of a bond film is most often down to the strength of the bad guy and his plot. It's why Skyfall was pretty good and this was a criminal waste of talent

All in all, a real let down. Pretty but meh.

oh and Monica Belluci...

Spoiler

There was a big deal made of her being an age-appropriate Bond Girl. Like she was going to be a major character. But he she turned up, got fucked and disappeared? Ho hum.

The young blonde was fitter anyway.

Edit: Oh! And...

Spoiler

His evil lair was really really shit!

 

[Scouse]

It does work though and thats proved by the way the recent films have made a fortune and people keep going back to see them at the cinema then buy them on Blu/Ray/DVD

Financial success is a very poor indicator of quality.

 

[Talivar]

So what is?, Surely everything else is personal opinion

 

[Scouse]

So what is?, Surely everything else is personal opinion

The Phantom Menace's box office was $1.027 billion.

Financial success is a very good measure of how much money something has made. Nothing more.

 

[soze]

So what is?, Surely everything else is personal opinion

I agree with you. People paying to watch a movie makes it a success. It is not the only measure of success (or a good film) but the film was not made as an art house independent film it was made to make money so in that sense it was and is a success. It will not win any Oscars as it is not obscure or shit enough but it has done it's job.