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How should I specialise a sorcerer, which is the best path?
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lofff
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48body/24mind is the old one, nowadays too poor mezz on that spec altho great rooting.
44mind rest body would b best nowadays and the most needed in albion.
41body/34mind is an hybrid one..
44mind rest body would b best nowadays and the most needed in albion.
41body/34mind is an hybrid one..
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wyleia
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Errr lofff please dont give advice if you dont play the class...
44 mind is a crud spec imo, yes some ppl might want to play it, but you lose too much and gain so little by speccing this.
48 body/24mind gives you the best dd we can get, which does hit pretty damn hard, it gives u a greencon pet, the best aeroot in the game and a pretty cruddy aemezz (will get a bit worse when they implement more of spell level vs resists). Take this path if you want to be a dmg dealer
34min/41body- this template with the onset of patch 1.59 will change to 36mind/40body.. This gives you the second best of both worlds... 60 second aemezz/aeroot, decent dmg dealing capacity with your spec and baseline nukes, even con pet.. with 1.59 you get the second best power regen and second best self mezz duration decrease buff
44mind/30body - CRAP utter and complete.. u get a cruddy aeroot, you lose the ability to deal more than 150dmg if you are lucky in rvr... the ONLY thing you gain is a 12second longer mezz, and a bit more radius on it. You cannot keep yourself alive with lifetap.... THE ONLY new spell you get for going 44 mind is the 12 second longer aemezz and a bit larger radius (that lofff guy must be a mid or hib to say we need more sorcs at 44 mind)
45+mind- With the patch 1.59 45 mind gives the most uber mezz duration decrease selfbuff.. 46 mind gives best powerregen buff. Yes there are points to going this high in mind to get the mezz duration decrease buff.. and if you go 45mind you have lost your aeroot totally from your body line, so going to 46mind is viable for the best power regen buff.. If you decide to take mind this high to take advantage of the new skills, u lose all offensive capabilities.. your nuke (if you have any body) will be utter crap.. if you decide to put hte extra points into matter instead of body you might be able to dot people but not for loads of dmg and dots take a while to kill ppl. This is basically a support class whos only function will be to crowd control (you will be nearly 100% unmezzable).. so your job will be to mezz and use pet for cc and unmezz others.. maybe assist ppl with your 100dmg nuke or dots depending on if you put the rest of your points into body or matter... This is a very powerful way to spec due to the fact that your mezz duration decrease debuff makes you immune to mezz.. but you no longer can defend yourself properly or kill anything...
Persoanlly i am 34mind 41 body now and will be 36mind 40 body after patch.. i think thats the best all around spec... but if u want to go to the extreme as a nuker or crowd controller, well u have options for that as well
44 mind is a crud spec imo, yes some ppl might want to play it, but you lose too much and gain so little by speccing this.
48 body/24mind gives you the best dd we can get, which does hit pretty damn hard, it gives u a greencon pet, the best aeroot in the game and a pretty cruddy aemezz (will get a bit worse when they implement more of spell level vs resists). Take this path if you want to be a dmg dealer
34min/41body- this template with the onset of patch 1.59 will change to 36mind/40body.. This gives you the second best of both worlds... 60 second aemezz/aeroot, decent dmg dealing capacity with your spec and baseline nukes, even con pet.. with 1.59 you get the second best power regen and second best self mezz duration decrease buff
44mind/30body - CRAP utter and complete.. u get a cruddy aeroot, you lose the ability to deal more than 150dmg if you are lucky in rvr... the ONLY thing you gain is a 12second longer mezz, and a bit more radius on it. You cannot keep yourself alive with lifetap.... THE ONLY new spell you get for going 44 mind is the 12 second longer aemezz and a bit larger radius (that lofff guy must be a mid or hib to say we need more sorcs at 44 mind)
45+mind- With the patch 1.59 45 mind gives the most uber mezz duration decrease selfbuff.. 46 mind gives best powerregen buff. Yes there are points to going this high in mind to get the mezz duration decrease buff.. and if you go 45mind you have lost your aeroot totally from your body line, so going to 46mind is viable for the best power regen buff.. If you decide to take mind this high to take advantage of the new skills, u lose all offensive capabilities.. your nuke (if you have any body) will be utter crap.. if you decide to put hte extra points into matter instead of body you might be able to dot people but not for loads of dmg and dots take a while to kill ppl. This is basically a support class whos only function will be to crowd control (you will be nearly 100% unmezzable).. so your job will be to mezz and use pet for cc and unmezz others.. maybe assist ppl with your 100dmg nuke or dots depending on if you put the rest of your points into body or matter... This is a very powerful way to spec due to the fact that your mezz duration decrease debuff makes you immune to mezz.. but you no longer can defend yourself properly or kill anything...
Persoanlly i am 34mind 41 body now and will be 36mind 40 body after patch.. i think thats the best all around spec... but if u want to go to the extreme as a nuker or crowd controller, well u have options for that as well
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GrimReaper
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I used to be 44 mind spec, tried 34 mind/41 body, but will respec back to 44 mind.
remember that chance to resist has now been confirmed as spell level based. Body resist is normally high against our nukes. The 30 ae root is pretty good, and the 43 str/con debuff also helps.
Sorcs will be hard to mez post 1.59, so the longer duration, larger radius mez, will help an rvr group a lot.
With respec stones, try both....
Grim
remember that chance to resist has now been confirmed as spell level based. Body resist is normally high against our nukes. The 30 ae root is pretty good, and the 43 str/con debuff also helps.
Sorcs will be hard to mez post 1.59, so the longer duration, larger radius mez, will help an rvr group a lot.
With respec stones, try both....
Grim
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wyleia
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You contradict yourself here.. you spec for higher mezz because of spell level base.. but you end of having the lowest aeroot which is also resist chance on spell elvel base.. And that is lowest aeroot,, so if spell level base matters enough for you to go 44 mind for less resisted mezz.. then your aeroot will not be good at all..
From all initial reports ive read on boards and heard from sorcs on american shards.. the 34level aemezz is still viable.. But if its not i guess ill be going up to at least 45mind since if 34 aemzz isnt viable a level 30 root sure as heck wont be viable so might as well get the self mezz dur decrease buff and maybe even higher for highest power regen
Anyways I guess we shall see
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35body, rest mind - with the consideration of 1.59/1.60 when u get power-regen, all charmable pet, 1875range etc.
You can spec higher in mind for the 400radius/72sec aoemez, but will lose the 163dd in bodyline. Mind will be worth speccing in anyhow
You can spec higher in mind for the 400radius/72sec aoemez, but will lose the 163dd in bodyline. Mind will be worth speccing in anyhow
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Sorc spec
With 1.59 I would have thought 39 mind, rest body was viable. You will still have a DD of sorts and the lowest AE root but will also have the 2nd best group anti-mez buff, admittedly at the sake of speed - so need a minstrel (can't remember the official anti0mez buffl name)
In this way you have the root and some DD, but still retain the mez level and duration and the ability to have same level pets!
Just my pennies worth
Jod, Sorceror Primus
With 1.59 I would have thought 39 mind, rest body was viable. You will still have a DD of sorts and the lowest AE root but will also have the 2nd best group anti-mez buff, admittedly at the sake of speed - so need a minstrel (can't remember the official anti0mez buffl name)
In this way you have the root and some DD, but still retain the mez level and duration and the ability to have same level pets!
Just my pennies worth
Jod, Sorceror Primus
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wyleia
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35 body 41 mind gives u the level 39 mind grp chant mezz duration decrease (which is cruddy and not worth it from most reports)
if you want that chant you go 39 mind 37 body, becasue still to this time extra mind points do not help us.. mythic keeps sayign they will change this but it is still not in.. so basically dont put any more pts in mind than you have to.
The point of keeping body as near to 40 as possible is variation on the nukes. spells delve at a certain value, true, but the higher u spec in a skill the higher dmg u will do with that spec spell.. same goes for baseline..
Currently i have the level 35 163 delve nuke but i use my baseline level 45 lifetap. It delves at only 60.. but it ONLY does 20 less dmg than my 35 nuke + it has the added bonus of healing me.. So if I am in a situation where i fear i might be taking dmg I use my lifetap (rvr most of the time).. But if i know i wont take dmg (pve) i will use the spec nuke for the 20 extra dmg ... With +11 body on my suit, my lifetap does the same dmg as my specline with no +magic on my suit. My lifetap doesnt do near as much dmg without spec points in body...
Basically if you want the mind/body route and dont wanna be reduced to nothing but a mezzer but would like to be able to assist dealing dmg and mezzing/rooting as well. Keep only the amt of mind pts in mind u need for the spells u want and rest in body..And yes your spec nuke and lifetap get consirably worse when u start decreasing your amt of body pts...
I am in no way a body sorc (uber dmg) and ppl have always had great body resists in rvr even before SC (check out the spell chart, TONS of spells in body that ppl need to protect against.. more than any other resist).. But i can hold my own against assasins (esp since IP is gone woohoo) and can do consirably more than just cc for a group
If i notice after patch that my 34 spec mezz is consirably worsened, then yes i will consider a change to get the higher mezz and maybe even the highest mezz dur decrease self buff, but i just have not heard reports that this is the case. 34 mezz is still a high spell, second highest we can get, so it should still hold its own, and my aeroot i retain by not going further in mind is also second highest and should stil hold its own.. And in RvR today I regularly use BOTH.. due to purge, you need both to effectively cc...
i really wouldnt call my spec a hybrid spec since, as sorcs, we are a CC class, and my spec contains the two 60 second ae cc's that we get in this game, so that means i can cc more than a full mind or full body sorc. And with purge and the 60 second immunity timer we do NEED both forms of cc to try to neutralize enemies.
if you want that chant you go 39 mind 37 body, becasue still to this time extra mind points do not help us.. mythic keeps sayign they will change this but it is still not in.. so basically dont put any more pts in mind than you have to.
The point of keeping body as near to 40 as possible is variation on the nukes. spells delve at a certain value, true, but the higher u spec in a skill the higher dmg u will do with that spec spell.. same goes for baseline..
Currently i have the level 35 163 delve nuke but i use my baseline level 45 lifetap. It delves at only 60.. but it ONLY does 20 less dmg than my 35 nuke + it has the added bonus of healing me.. So if I am in a situation where i fear i might be taking dmg I use my lifetap (rvr most of the time).. But if i know i wont take dmg (pve) i will use the spec nuke for the 20 extra dmg ... With +11 body on my suit, my lifetap does the same dmg as my specline with no +magic on my suit. My lifetap doesnt do near as much dmg without spec points in body...
Basically if you want the mind/body route and dont wanna be reduced to nothing but a mezzer but would like to be able to assist dealing dmg and mezzing/rooting as well. Keep only the amt of mind pts in mind u need for the spells u want and rest in body..And yes your spec nuke and lifetap get consirably worse when u start decreasing your amt of body pts...
I am in no way a body sorc (uber dmg) and ppl have always had great body resists in rvr even before SC (check out the spell chart, TONS of spells in body that ppl need to protect against.. more than any other resist).. But i can hold my own against assasins (esp since IP is gone woohoo) and can do consirably more than just cc for a group
If i notice after patch that my 34 spec mezz is consirably worsened, then yes i will consider a change to get the higher mezz and maybe even the highest mezz dur decrease self buff, but i just have not heard reports that this is the case. 34 mezz is still a high spell, second highest we can get, so it should still hold its own, and my aeroot i retain by not going further in mind is also second highest and should stil hold its own.. And in RvR today I regularly use BOTH.. due to purge, you need both to effectively cc...
i really wouldnt call my spec a hybrid spec since, as sorcs, we are a CC class, and my spec contains the two 60 second ae cc's that we get in this game, so that means i can cc more than a full mind or full body sorc. And with purge and the 60 second immunity timer we do NEED both forms of cc to try to neutralize enemies.
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All about playstyle. I'm 50 matter/20 mind now and would respec to 40 matter/36 mind with 1.59.
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Sharma
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Funny how most dont try matter, its an effective RvR spec when mixed with mind, AE mez and matter allows for VERY powerfull AE debuffs, which means your tsanks and main nukers can rip through em + you get a spec single DoT
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I think body and matter are both viable now. You probably will do more damage with matter, but body has more utility because of the AE root/wizard debuffs. Depends on your playstyle I'd miss the AE roots if I didn't have them ...
I'd miss the AE roots if I didn't have them ...