Solo Day Confirmation !

[Kinag]

you have to stick and spam style with backup style until other one dies, otherwise you're a lamer fyi

Time to start using CB stun feedback together with Grapple so I can heal myself up then..

 

[Kagato]

Ehm... Same absorb, yes. Same AF? Nope. Im on caster-AF. 'Almost hit as hard' yeah that might be so, parry the same? LOL I got 15(+7) parry and less DEX then an Armsman (no DEX rising for Vale's). Also less hits (closing in on 2175 on my Vale)

Dex makes very little differance to Parry, roughly 3 % if the vn boards are to be believed but I take anything I read there with a pinch of salt.

Personally i'd take absorb over af any day, its more reliable.

I get disease, not sure how the disease-procs help there much. Healprocs? Ehhh nope dont get healprocs. Dont use the selfhaste, as when 30 seconds are over, Im left with no haste at all. Using druid-haste, similar way as you use cleric-specAF.

Simple, purge disease, disease proc reapplies it, result, you can run, life tap and avoid confrontation and my heal procs are half as effective.
By heal procs I mean hit point ablatives, which ontop of normal ablatives take a huge chunk out of any damage.
If you don't want to use your self haste, thats your choice, but don't make it out that you have it that hard, out of anyone out there in the zone your best equipped of all to go toe to toe with anyone, most of the others out there were pming me telling me they werent even going to bother trying to fight you its that pointless with or without the kiting shit.

I said 80 effective parry, which I mean 80 'parry spec' with. This includes stuff like MoParry and DEX-modifiers. Which equals about 40% right ?

80 Effective, hahah I wish, maybe before they switched snapshot to 25 crossbow spec.

First fight you started to dump ur RR5 on me, which is I-win (tho Im sure you disagree and come with how a Thane once hits you out of 18 swings during it so it sucks). As for strafing and kiting being lame... it is the game, just as standing toe-to-toe. You try everything in your powers to minimize the damage you take (speccing parry, MoParry, carrying plate-armour, using arti's, Warguard etc), I do the same to avoid the Defenders Rage pole smashing my head.

lol I didn't use RR5 until I was already at 25% in first fight, and even then you STILL hit me so it can't be all that melee immune like a certain ranger keeps claiming.

As for Warguard I never used that until the second fight, and that was the one and only time I used it during the entire night, and that was only because my IP, RR5 and every other single timer except snapshot was down.

And if defenders rage is that much hassle for you, how come you still manage to almost match its damage? you don't have it that hard mate, you just want to use whatever cheap tricks you can to win, at least be honest about it and don't pretend its a necessity.

 

[censi]

the kiting shit.

funny how its shit when someone can kite you, but everytime i discuss unbalance with your class you say, its NOT overpowered because you can kite. And I say kite thats a bit lame, and you say no not at all its part of the game!

 

[Puppet]

Dex makes very little differance to Parry, roughly 3 % if the vn boards are to be believed but I take anything I read there with a pinch of salt.

Personally i'd take absorb over af any day, its more reliable.

This is a silly statement. You and me have the same absorb (kinda) but your AF is 50% higher. Nothing more reliable then that, yours is there to stay, mine is there to stay (unless my self-buffs get sheared, but you cant do that with Warguard-spec). Funny how DEX makes little difference, but you did claim armsman where 'far better guarders' mostly due to the higher DEX. Atleast its right u take VN with a pinch of salt

Simple, purge disease, disease proc reapplies it, result, you can run, life tap and avoid confrontation and my heal procs are half as effective.
By heal procs I mean hit point ablatives, which ontop of normal ablatives take a huge chunk out of any damage.

You can have a very similar setup. SoM, Ablative-procs on armour. I dont have ablatives on my armour (specAF procs) because they bug up the RR5 / Ablative-procs from Valewalking (eg. I spec for them).

If you don't want to use your self haste, thats your choice, but don't make it out that you have it that hard, out of anyone out there in the zone your best equipped of all to go toe to toe with anyone, most of the others out there were pming me telling me they werent even going to bother trying to fight you its that pointless with or without the kiting shit.

I tried literally everyone, I dont believe in the 'pointless fights' with melee-classes. I was before on my Nightshade, did same thing, think I attacked everyone atleast once (was about to attack the BD but he decided to suicide on a keep).

80 Effective, hahah I wish, maybe before they switched snapshot to 25 crossbow spec.

ur choice for speccing 25 X-Bow

lol I didn't use RR5 until I was already at 25% in first fight, and even then you STILL hit me so it can't be all that melee immune like a certain ranger keeps claiming.

Ofcourse your not melee-immune, but it does take a rather large chunk out of dps taken (unless stunned)

As for Warguard I never used that until the second fight, and that was the one and only time I used it during the entire night, and that was only because my IP, RR5 and every other single timer except snapshot was down.

And who blown em? And I did use all my toys in the first fight aswell (well except excessive kiting and CB+Grapple, which I felt rlly bad to use at the time being). But you have to be joking if you think the RR5 of arms is 'balanced' in any way.

And if defenders rage is that much hassle for you, how come you still manage to almost match its damage? you don't have it that hard mate, you just want to use whatever cheap tricks you can to win, at least be honest about it and don't pretend its a necessity.

I match the damage because you for starters pick a damage-type where I got 10% more resists in then you have towards my slashing-damage.

And you shouldnt preach me about 'cheap tricks', if I wanted to win against your arms I would kite you forever, did I do that? Nope. So please stop about the 'kiting is lame, but my RR5 is perfectly fine'. If you had any objectivity in you, you would realise there's a LARGE difference between our two classes. Thinking I shouldnt kite is me expecting you not to use Defenders Rage and such. Everyone uses the toys given to them (or earned), you are no different.

 

[Cemeterygates]

well..this aint a dig at kagato...but in honesty mate..u gotta expect him to kite a bit...cos people that have nothin from kiting u...an just goin toe to toe are askin to be killed....in all honest there arent many that can just go toe to toe with u an stand a chance are there....i mean bein serious an not ass kissin...but u one of if not the toughest tank on the cluster....so most expect to loose to u so have to try shit...like the 2nd fight with u...i hurt u a little...had a lil while till IP an BoV was back...so i engaged u...then u backed off...i was tryin to buy myself some time for timers to come back....cos without them i have ZERO chance against u....with them i can hurt u...maybe one day i will beat u with the luck of parry an block an what not...but i need RR5 and IP to stand any sort of chance against u.....i think u need to realise this tbh mate...that u are a verry hard fucker so u should expect people to try an use what they have to stand a chance

 

[Kagato]

funny how its shit when someone can kite you, but everytime i discuss unbalance with your class you say, its NOT overpowered because you can kite. And I say kite thats a bit lame, and you say no not at all its part of the game!

That was an entirely different arguement on warguard vs FZ, and related to stealthers vs tanks not visuals vs visuals. And I never said kiting was ok.

This is a silly statement. You and me have the same absorb (kinda) but your AF is 50% higher. Nothing more reliable then that, yours is there to stay, mine is there to stay (unless my self-buffs get sheared, but you cant do that with Warguard-spec). Funny how DEX makes little difference, but you did claim armsman where 'far better guarders' mostly due to the higher DEX. Atleast its right u take VN with a pinch of salt

AF is higher and helps the 'miss' rate, thats why I so absorb is more reliable, it will always help absorb damage, af will absorb a little and help your 'chance' to miss its not garunteed.
The block mechanics and parry mechanics are different, thats why the cap to block is stupidly high where as parry is capped at only 50%, trust me I wish it were different.

You can have a very similar setup. SoM, Ablative-procs on armour. I dont have ablatives on my armour (specAF procs) because they bug up the RR5 / Ablative-procs from Valewalking (eg. I spec for them).

And they still absorb alot of damage and if you don't put ablatives on your armour im sure you and any smart vw will put something else equally nice on their armour instead, I would.

Ofcourse your not melee-immune, but it does take a rather large chunk out of dps taken (unless stunned)

Tell that to censi, he seems to think its god mode and makes you immortal and unhittable, or maybe thats just his excuse for just hitting once and running off.

I match the damage because you for starters pick a damage-type where I got 10% more resists in then you have towards my slashing-damage.

10% whilst it will help will not make that big a differance unless your styles and abilities are at the very least close to mine, specially when im debuffing with that damage and we're both neutral to each others armour types. If I switched back to thrust I doubt we'd see much differance.

And you shouldnt preach me about 'cheap tricks', if I wanted to win against your arms I would kite you forever, did I do that? Nope. So please stop about the 'kiting is lame, but my RR5 is perfectly fine'. If you had any objectivity in you, you would realise there's a LARGE difference between our two classes. Thinking I shouldnt kite is me expecting you not to use Defenders Rage and such. Everyone uses the toys given to them (or earned), you are no different.

lol don't try and come over all noble, the only reason you stopped kiting was because I was interupting you with my crossbow the second fight and purged desease the 3rd.

Kiting is not an ability, its not spec'd for or earned, its an ACTION that you choose to do, and your doing it with disease against people you know full well have no ranged ability or possibility of doing anything against you out of melee, that is lame, specially on a class that is already more then strong enough in melee to fight anything else out there.

 

[Kagato]

well..this aint a dig at kagato...but in honesty mate..u gotta expect him to kite a bit...cos people that have nothin from kiting u...an just goin toe to toe are askin to be killed....in all honest there arent many that can just go toe to toe with u an stand a chance are there....i mean bein serious an not ass kissin...but u one of if not the toughest tank on the cluster....so most expect to loose to u so have to try shit...like the 2nd fight with u...i hurt u a little...had a lil while till IP an BoV was back...so i engaged u...then u backed off...i was tryin to buy myself some time for timers to come back....cos without them i have ZERO chance against u....with them i can hurt u...maybe one day i will beat u with the luck of parry an block an what not...but i need RR5 and IP to stand any sort of chance against u.....i think u need to realise this tbh mate...that u are a verry hard fucker so u should expect people to try an use what they have to stand a chance

Against me? perhaps, but thats only down to RR differance, nothing else, im talking in a broader sense here as its not just me that is being kited, even lower RR stealthers were suffering the same, I know because they were pming me and asking me to kill him for them.

You think it would be any different against a RR5 heavy tank who stands alot less chance then me? doubt it, they would still use cheap tricks even though they could win it without.

The only reason you had a difficult time with me was due to RR differance, and you still nearly killed me, if my IP had been down and you had a little more luck you may of even won. Add a few more realm ranks and it would be alot different.
If we're argueing about class vs class here we have to draw a line between typical class and people of high RR.

 

[Cemeterygates]

Against me? perhaps, but thats only down to RR differance, nothing else, im talking in a broader sense here as its not just me that is being kited, even lower RR stealthers were suffering the same, I know because they were pming me and asking me to kill him for them.

You think it would be any different against a RR5 heavy tank who stands alot less chance then me? doubt it, they would still use cheap tricks even though they could win it without.

The only reason you had a difficult time with me was due to RR differance, and you still nearly killed me, if my IP had been down and you had a little more luck you may of even won. Add a few more realm ranks and it would be alot different.
If we're argueing about class vs class here we have to draw a line between typical class and people of high RR.

well i think its more due to the fact armsman of roughly
ur spec can be a fuckin tough fight even if they lower RR than yaself....that meant like a RR3 armsman...pole/parry spec can nail my ass even if i give all i got...im not an uber char by any means an never have claimed it but the point remains that armsman are fuckin nasty to fight 1-1 for just about anyone so to put it simply i get the impression its "stand an fight me toe to toe even if u know ur gonna loose"..which to me seems a bit stupid...cos in all honesty u could nail soooo many people on cluster 1-1 toe to toe....it just becomes a "feed me RP's" fest... dont take that as a dig or anythin cos i have respec for ya cos ur a good player an a fuckin tough bastard...but from some of what has been said thats the impression i get....like u expect them to just stand an die...

 

[Kagato]

On the contrary some of the most fun fights i've had have been against skalds like Warhead who used litrally every single dirty trick in the book and made me have to really stretch my limits and imagination to counter.

But back on topic no, against a champion, a low RR armsmen without RR5 ability is pretty much dead already against champion RR5 + ml.

Heck without rr5 up even I will struggle against a decent rr champion rr5+ if mine is down, the champion RR5 hurts plate wearers worste of all due to how it works and no amount of warguard or af will save you, specially if they start blowing ST etc. Same games for paladins for that matter.
Fighting a champion with RR5 down is one of the very very few moments I regret not having Engage.

 

[snoepie]

horleys bunch of twats running a full caster group around area already. pointless.

keep the flaming for urself , if that tower wouldn't have been under siege we wouldn't have been there in the first place. think before u speak ... etc

 

[Cemeterygates]

On the contrary some of the most fun fights i've had have been against skalds like Warhead who used litrally every single dirty trick in the book and made me have to really stretch my limits and imagination to counter.

But back on topic no, against a champion, a low RR armsmen without RR5 ability is pretty much dead already against champion RR5 + ml.

Heck without rr5 up even I will struggle against a decent rr champion rr5+ if mine is down, the champion RR5 hurts plate wearers worste of all due to how it works and no amount of warguard or af will save you, specially if they start blowing ST etc. Same games for paladins for that matter.
Fighting a champion with RR5 down is one of the very very few moments I regret not having Engage.

well maybe ive been unlucky...or im just major shit...but ive had lower RR armsman than me (rr3-4)...of im guessin same spec as u...pretty much anyway...parry like fuck an hit me for 700+...so thats 2 hits....then i need to IP cos i wont survive a 3rd hit of that calliber..champs have low hp's an mine is lower than most due to temp not bein complete an no cl5...so im missin about 300hps tbh..but ye...armsman from what ive seen and from personal experience are one nasty mofo to fight for anyone in all honesty..an ye our RR5 is fuckin roxor...i wont deny that...but say for example i dump my RR5...an cant hit u...what good is it?? i hit RR5 an think "ye im gonna hit him max about 660 before crits"...an dont hit ya...an u smash my face in with 4 hits of 800 an shit...lol this aint an arguement...just sayin that...well..i dunno...i dont think u realise how good ur class is...atleast it seems that way...even the low rr's can be a damn tough fight

 

[Ronso]

Time to start using CB stun feedback together with Grapple so I can heal myself up then..

If you are against a far higher realm rank opponent or you are being dropped like a sack of spuds for the second time running , why not ? Everyone wants a challenge . You can grapple and heal yourself only once, why not use it ? I have it up incase I get double popped by infls ..or if I do come up against a ( not trying to name names but just standard high rr's ) Kagato , Bradlex , Warhead , Xrystofer etc etc I will duel them once or twice , and if its a case where they are blatently killing me with ease due to rr5s ra dumps ml paths etc ..then Im gonna start making it a little bit harder for them , I am fodder for no one and it will stay like that .

That is unless I can expect people to stand in my storms if I go stormlord and duel them there.
Also Kinag , I might point out to you that while other classes have warguard and banelord dumps , vws have to spec into battlemaster. For what ? The whole line is useless to a soloer bar buffstripping and grapple . The rest of it is all useless , and the other line is 10 times worse .

So , in essence , vws may aswell not do any mls as we have nothing beneficial for solo if we are unable to use grapple immunity . NOTHING . What fight can we put up ? Especially new low realm rank vws on the scene like myself .

 

[Kagato]

keep the flaming for urself , if that tower wouldn't have been under siege we wouldn't have been there in the first place. think before u speak ... etc

Yeah right, cause its such a vital tower that does....fuck all basically. And it still didn't stop you chasing soloers down to kill for half a zone that were just trying to get out your way. Anymore excuses for being twats?

 

[brad]

, Bradlex , .

Someone remembers me.

 

[Darkmack]

well maybe ive been unlucky...or im just major shit...but ive had lower RR armsman than me (rr3-4)...of im guessin same spec as u...pretty much anyway...parry like fuck an hit me for 700+...so thats 2 hits....then i need to IP cos i wont survive a 3rd hit of that calliber..champs have low hp's an mine is lower than most due to temp not bein complete an no cl5...so im missin about 300hps tbh..but ye...armsman from what ive seen and from personal experience are one nasty mofo to fight for anyone in all honesty..an ye our RR5 is fuckin roxor...i wont deny that...but say for example i dump my RR5...an cant hit u...what good is it?? i hit RR5 an think "ye im gonna hit him max about 660 before crits"...an dont hit ya...an u smash my face in with 4 hits of 800 an shit...lol this aint an arguement...just sayin that...well..i dunno...i dont think u realise how good ur class is...atleast it seems that way...even the low rr's can be a damn tough fight

i have about 2400 hp on my champ but i still drop fast, and yes even with RR5 up ill still be outdamaged alot of the time by an armsman with RR5 and banespike i dont really break 750-800 without a small crit

 

[Kagato]

I've been hit for around 950 before by a crush champion which is harder then I could hit a champion back for unless they were seriously debuffed on resistance/af/absorb all at once and even then it would be a struggle if I was still under their own instant debuffs and malice proc.

Sure I can hit other classes harder, but I couldn't hit a good champion as hard as they can possibly hit me due to the very mechanics of their RR5 ability which does effect paladins and armsmen worse of all.

 

[Vodkafairy]

almeie vs kagato was fun!

 

[Kagato]

Sorry to dissapoint you but it wasn't you that hit me for that much, and that fight was pre-class balancing (hah!) patches.

 

[Kinag]

If you are against a far higher realm rank opponent or you are being dropped like a sack of spuds for the second time running , why not ? Everyone wants a challenge . You can grapple and heal yourself only once, why not use it ? I have it up incase I get double popped by infls ..or if I do come up against a ( not trying to name names but just standard high rr's ) Kagato , Bradlex , Warhead , Xrystofer etc etc I will duel them once or twice , and if its a case where they are blatently killing me with ease due to rr5s ra dumps ml paths etc ..then Im gonna start making it a little bit harder for them , I am fodder for no one and it will stay like that .

That is unless I can expect people to stand in my storms if I go stormlord and duel them there.
Also Kinag , I might point out to you that while other classes have warguard and banelord dumps , vws have to spec into battlemaster. For what ? The whole line is useless to a soloer bar buffstripping and grapple . The rest of it is all useless , and the other line is 10 times worse .

So , in essence , vws may aswell not do any mls as we have nothing beneficial for solo if we are unable to use grapple immunity . NOTHING . What fight can we put up ? Especially new low realm rank vws on the scene like myself .

Are you aware that Friar's only have access to Battlemaster and Perfecter?

Perfecter won't do squat for a solo friar, and the only useful style in the battlemaster line is Power Leak and ml9-10 chain.

Ml9-10 chain buffshears, so I won't use that in a solo fight incase I lose cause then the opponent has to suicide, which I find is an extremely lame tactic just for fucking up for an opponent.

So we're not that different when it comes to our classes, except you got more absorb, close to the same AF and you hit for 300 more damage than me (atleast Puppet's VW does)

 

[Aran Thule]

Ml9-10 chain buffshears, so I won't use that in a solo fight incase I lose cause then the opponent has to suicide, which I find is an extremely lame tactic just for fucking up for an opponent.

I can see the point about not liking buff sheers, but its not hard to carry a few items incase of emergancy, lots of items with buff charges on now.
My issue is slightly differant, im a bow ranger so if i get into melee more then likely im dead.
I need to use any advantage i can get, at the moment im using a ML10/sunweapon template(thinks for having low energy resists Grimster), my cloak can buff strip but because i have that cloak i dont have SoM or GSV ect.
If i was not to use the cloak im basically throwing away the main tool that it gives me, so sorry but if i think its needed i will use it, its a 15 minute change and means i cant use other stuff if i use it.
Im one of the few remaining roaming bow rangers, every fight is uphill and after next patch even FZ will be ineffictive, im not planning on changing my template just because someone is unhappy after they beat me!

 

[Ronso]

Someone remembers me.

Hard to forget the 9 lives of catlike bradlex

 

[Ronso]

Are you aware that Friar's only have access to Battlemaster and Perfecter?

Perfecter won't do squat for a solo friar, and the only useful style in the battlemaster line is Power Leak and ml9-10 chain.

Ml9-10 chain buffshears, so I won't use that in a solo fight incase I lose cause then the opponent has to suicide, which I find is an extremely lame tactic just for fucking up for an opponent.

So we're not that different when it comes to our classes, except you got more absorb, close to the same AF and you hit for 300 more damage than me (atleast Puppet's VW does)

Im 100% aware of that , it was kinda of my point . We get stormlord , woop dee fuckin doo . You get prefectOr to cure ure friar nearsite ... cough .. if you arent going to use ure mls then u should find a fight where u expect someone not to use warguard . makes it a bit fairer dont u think ? but wait, you know u wont find that fite so use ure abilties and stop thinking that to use ure classes full potential is lame , especially if u start getting beaten by people who are using their potential .

thats all Im saying .

 

[brad]

Hard to forget the 9 lives of catlike bradlex

Hmm, meaning i survive rather long at DC sometmes when im getting zerged?

 

[Kinag]

Im 100% aware of that , it was kinda of my point . We get stormlord , woop dee fuckin doo . You get prefectOr to cure ure friar nearsite ... cough .. if you arent going to use ure mls then u should find a fight where u expect someone not to use warguard . makes it a bit fairer dont u think ? but wait, you know u wont find that fite so use ure abilties and stop thinking that to use ure classes full potential is lame , especially if u start getting beaten by people who are using their potential .

thats all Im saying .

I'm not planning on playing unfairly just to win a fight, it doesn't matter that much to me, though it does indeed annoy me when people buffshear you, especially if your winning.

 

[Sharkith]

that new Valk thingy wot allows them to heal themselves over time is dammed annoying!!