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[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by bob007
You realy believe a ressing, healing, buffing, stealthed class would balance the stealth wars ?

Bob, his idea of balance is :

3 Alb stealthers, 2 Mid/Hib stealthers. WTF????? BALANCE IS EQUAL.

Lets see, 3rd Alb stealther has speed. Give speed-classes of Mid/Hib stealth.

YAY, I balanced the game.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Lets see, 3rd Alb stealther has speed. Give speed-classes of Mid/Hib stealth.

Yes and ignore the fact that he also have mess/stun/dd/chain/sos etc

You like to cry about savages but as soon someone say something about your own realms you start to cry like kids

 

[old.Nol]

mincer's are not overpowered imo, I have beaten many mincers when I am buffed to the hilt(like them) and am wearing my solo sc kit and I am not even battle specced. In a group scenario, there are very few mincers that bother me.

Savages however destroy the entire group purpose of the game, you have to be a total fuckwit to lose with savage groups, that is the major issue with savage groups and zerker groups before them.

Albion has one overppowered style, namely DF, where midgard has an overpowered class, there is a huge distinction between the 2. Yes enchanters were overpowered, but the pretty much suck with resists and sc, they just happen to not suck as much other casters.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by old.Nol
mincer's are not overpowered imo, I have beaten many mincers when I am buffed to the hilt(like them) and am wearing my solo sc kit and I am not even battle specced. In a group scenario, there are very few mincers that bother me.

No they not overpowered solo but so very rare to find a solo stealther now and in a 2v2 fight its realy op that one side can just mess and take us 1by1

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond

Yes and ignore the fact that he also have mess/stun/dd/chain/sos etc

You like to cry about savages but as soon someone say something about your own realms you start to cry like kids

So, again, explain why there are so few high rps minstrels.

If you can't do that then you don't have an argument, you have a whine.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
You like to cry about savages but as soon someone say something about your own realms you start to cry like kids

LOL

Mate, you're the one that's crying like a kid. You refuse to actually acknowledge the facts, which are that minstrels do not earn a disproportionately large number of rps, and therefore that they aren't overpowered.

Number of savages in top 30 rps earners last week: 7.
Number of mincers: 0.

Case closed, imho.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
No they not overpowered solo but so very rare to find a solo stealther now and in a 2v2 fight its realy op that one side can just mess and take us 1by1

And you've never heard of purge?

Yes, it's an RA - but given that for a long time you've been whining that "albs groups have no problems in RvR because they have SoS" I don't think you can now turn round and say you shouldn't need an RA to be competitive.

Let's face it Jaond, you haven't actually got an argument. Just a whine.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Gordonax
LOL

Mate, you're the one that's crying like a kid. You refuse to actually acknowledge the facts, which are that minstrels do not earn a disproportionately large number of rps, and therefore that they aren't overpowered.

Number of savages in top 30 rps earners last week: 7.
Number of mincers: 0.

Case closed, imho.

Who cares about savage? yes they op but im talking about stealther fights

 

[lpep]

let the mincer only wear leather if he uses specs in stealth

 

[Fagane]

Mids always whine as soon as somebody points towards they're insta win buttons, often much stronger then Alb RAs.

I know a lot of people who would buy these abilities for 10rp

Bonedancer insta life drain
Healer insta mezz
Skald insta mezz
Healer insta stun
Shaman insta disease
Savage insta endurence buff
Savage insta melee buff
Savage insta speed buff

mids go cry in the dark, or for ones confess that Midguard has the advantage on RvR, becouse they have less classes then Alb, and so need less classes to make a desent RvR group. This leaves space to become very powerfull.

If Mid would go into the frontiers with a more mixed groups (1 healer instead of 2, 1 savage instead of 4) and fill they're ranks up with warriors, thanes, etc. Half the trouble of Mid Nerfs would be gone.

I do not see that happening, so Midguard gets nerfed till some classes are no longer fun to play, so a mix of people will emerge. Midguard put this up to themselves, but Mythic made it posible.

Fagane

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Who cares about savage? yes they op but im talking about stealther fights

So, again, where are all the high-rp mincers? And if it's a problem for your stealthers, they just get purge and the problem goes away.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by lpep
let the mincer only wear leather if he uses specs in stealth

Why? Where are all the uber mincers that wtfpwn? Why do they need to have a power reduced?

Again, no argument from the mids, just a blind whine.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Gordonax
And you've never heard of purge?

Yes, it's an RA - but given that for a long time you've been whining that "albs groups have no problems in RvR because they have SoS" I don't think you can now turn round and say you shouldn't need an RA to be competitive.

Let's face it Jaond, you haven't actually got an argument. Just a whine.

Yes like df we got a chance every 30min and its an ra that albs also got acces to, but SoS is an mincer only ra.

And I know its the same with alb fg vs mid fg, need sos bof etc and ofc its suck that you need an ra to win.

 

[Prat]

Re: Re: Re: So...

Originally posted by Gordonax
Because they're a rogue class? Because they're on a different damage table to skalds and hence hit like a wet lettuce? Because their mezz is castable, not insta? Because otherwise they'd be as boring to play as skalds?

And, once again, the facts: how many mincers were in the top 10 rps earners last week? None. How many in the top 20? None. You have to go down to number 33 to find the first minstrel. In the all-time list there's one - Alpha - in the top 30.

If minstrels are so uber they need a nerf, where are all the high rp mincers? So - other than "I got wtfpwnd by a mincer/infi duo once" - where's your evidence that mincers need a nerf? Give me some facts and figures, instead of just your half-baked opinions, and perhaps I'll respect what you're saying.

Amen

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Gordonax
So, again, where are all the high-rp mincers? And if it's a problem for your stealthers, they just get purge and the problem goes away.

Look at Sb/infils about the same rps on top 20


1.2m Mincer top 20 <- Here you got all the high rp mincers
800k Scout top 20
500k Hunter top 20

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Look at Sb/infils about the same rps on top 20


1.2m Mincer top 20 <- Here you got all the high rp mincers
800k Scout top 20
500k Hunter top 20

I don't know what figures you're looking at - I can't find any minstrel that earned 1.2m last week on Duskwave. Give link?

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Gordonax
I don't know what figures you're looking at - I can't find any minstrel that earned 1.2m last week on Duskwave. Give link?

Originally posted by Gordonax
So, again, where are all the high-rp mincers?

Cant see you say anything about last week you ask for high-rp mincers...

 

[Tranquil-]

Rooow, rooow, rooooow your booaat, gently down the streaaaam.

 

[Fagane]

Marily, Marily, Marily, Marily, life is just a dream.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Gordonax
I don't know what figures you're looking at - I can't find any minstrel that earned 1.2m last week on Duskwave. Give link?

Look at top20 and last week for mincer/hunter/sb/infil/ranger/ns/scout

over 100k last week
4mincer
1sb
0hunter
2infils
1ns
2ranger
1scout

 

[Tharion]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Look at Sb/infils about the same rps on top 20


1.2m Mincer top 20 <- Here you got all the high rp mincers
800k Scout top 20
500k Hunter top 20

Hmmm, and those are SOLO-Mincers?
Or maybe they group also?

What about Top 20 for Bard/Skald ??

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Look at top20 and last week for mincer/hunter/sb/infil/ranger/ns

over 100k last week
4mincer
1sb
0hunter
2infils
1ns
2ranger

Which doesn't prove your point at all, because you don't know whether the mincers were in stealth groups, normal groups, or soloing. If two of them got that number of RPs from soloing or normal groups, then your point falls apart completely.

There were 7 skalds over 100k RPs last week (the top 10 earned 1.7 million total), because every good RvR group has a skald, and so they earn lots of RPs. The same is true of mincers: every Alb group has a minstrel, so it's not surprising that there are more of them with over 100k rps.

Here's a more accurate picture, based on total number of RPs for the top ten of each class last week.

Minstrel total: 1.1 million
SB total: 897,583

In other words, the top minstrels earned about 22% more RPs than the top ten SBs. Given that minstrels have more potential to earn RPs because they can take part in open-field RvR far more effectively than the average SB, that doesn't sound like a huge advantage.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Look at top20 and last week for mincer/hunter/sb/infil/ranger/ns

over 100k last week
4mincer
1sb
0hunter
2infils
1ns
2ranger

Compare Minstrels lastweek rp with Skalds then.

Though I can't see what this has got to do with anything. Minstrels and skalds are groupfriendly because of speed, thus they get groups.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Which doesn't prove your point at all, because you don't know whether the mincers were in stealth groups, normal groups, or soloing. If two of them got that number of RPs from soloing or normal groups, then your point falls apart completely.

There were 7 skalds over 100k RPs last week (the top 10 earned 1.7 million total), because every good RvR group has a skald, and so they earn lots of RPs. The same is true of mincers: every Alb group has a minstrel, so it's not surprising that there are more of them with over 100k rps.

Here's a more accurate picture, based on total number of RPs for the top ten of each class last week.

Minstrel total: 1.1 million
SB total: 897,583

In other words, the top minstrels earned about 22% more RPs than the top ten SBs. Given that minstrels have more potential to earn RPs because they can take part in open-field RvR far more effectively than the average SB, that doesn't sound like a huge advantage.

You asked for high-rp mincers, then you asked for high-rp mincer last week. And now it prove nothing at all

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Compare Minstrels lastweek rp with Skalds then.

Though I can't see what this has got to do with anything. Minstrels and skalds are groupfriendly because of speed, thus they get groups.

Yes then remove stealth and they can be group friendly and provide speed just like skalds and bards.

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Yes then remove stealth and they can be group friendly and provide speed just like skalds and bards.

Sure totaly agree, gives us then also the ability to have chants instead of need for instruments, give us the ability to spec in parry and 2Handed weapons on 1 spec line, extra hitpoints, higher tohit bonus.

We do not have all these abilities and we get stealth for it back, and a crappy one to, no RAs to see other stealthers better or hide us better, etc.

And about our area mezz? It takes 5 sec to cast. If you can not interupt somebody on a wall near you in that time then you deserve to be 15 seconds of mezz time. Becouse we can NOT cast under stealth.

Fagane

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
You asked for high-rp mincers, then you asked for high-rp mincer last week. And now it prove nothing at all

Except that the figures you provided proved nothing of the sort. What you showed was that mincers are in the middle ranks of rp earners, not "high". You showed that they're higher *than shadowblades* by a relatively small percentage, but that doesn't make them high rp earners.

What's more, it doesn't matter if you look for overall figures or figures over the past week. Either way, mincers come out solidly in the middle of the rp earners.

Face it - you simply can't prove that mincers are overpowered based on any real facts.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Face it - you simply can't prove that mincers are overpowered based on any real facts.

They not op for a speed providing class, but as a stealther who know how to play it like Alpha they are.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Fagane
Sure totaly agree, gives us then also the ability to have chants instead of need for instruments, give us the ability to spec in parry and 2Handed weapons on 1 spec line, extra hitpoints, higher tohit bonus.

Sure and you then want to lose your sos and insta stun?

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
They not op for a speed providing class, but as a stealther who know how to play it like Alpha they are.

So the top 2 RP earners of the last 2 months play an over powerd class?

Nerf Healers
Nerf Savages

Fagane