So when NF and keep take zergs come

[fungus]

Actually rolled camlan already, not waiting till everybody else wants 2 roll there and XP-ing gets impossible.

Personnally i think hib/pryd will die with NF coming out. Not enough ppl to keep relics. NF is all about keep taking and numbers ow and dont forget the incredible lag.

i dont like Zerg warfare i try out camlan if it sux ill find myself another game.

ejo out

 

[fungus]

Personally looking forward to NF.

Hard to tell what effect it will have on the server but new areas to rvr in, keeps that are actually worth taking and albion with a defendable power relic keep sounds good

Changes keep the game fresh and interesting imo, ive kinda found it dull since Toa so the new things will certainly keep me interested a bit longer.

judging NF relic holding in the US, yes albs can hold both Power and Strength Relics easily, and thats what they do cause they have the numbers, to actually keep them. Which will prolly happen here to.

 

[Tuorin]

NF doesnt look very good for melee classes and I'm expecting an exodus of tanks. Also expecting this server to die. Lugging siege around and dieing to lvl 40 dders aint any idea of fun.

 

[Balbor]

judging NF relic holding in the US, yes albs can hold both Power and Strength Relics easily, and thats what they do cause they have the numbers, to actually keep them. Which will prolly happen here to.

um, I don't remeber ablion getting a shit load of abilities in NF, its the realm with the highest population that can easly hold all relics, there are/was server in the US were albion don't/didn't hold any relics.

in current state, 2fg of Hibs/Mids taking a keep defended by 4fg of Albs = balanced, in NF 4fgs of Albs taking a keep heald by 2fg of Mids/Hibs = Unbalanced? Maybe its becasue Albs are use to need large numbers to over come even a handful of abusing, overpowered enemies player that they do well in NF. You can't just send 1fg to defend a keep from 4fgs attacking it anymore.

 

[Steveh]

Actually rolled camlan already, not waiting till everybody else wants 2 roll there and XP-ing gets impossible.

Personnally i think hib/pryd will die with NF coming out. Not enough ppl to keep relics. NF is all about keep taking and numbers ow and dont forget the incredible lag.

i dont like Zerg warfare i try out camlan if it sux ill find myself another game.

ejo out

yesterday RvR ( in emain )

about 5 different group RvRed from hibenia
about 2 different group RvRed from midgard ( included Mael random group)
about 3-4 different group RvRed from albion ( PE joined later ) yes somtimes big alb zerg formed but not for long

hibs cant dead on this server.if the population lower they give a lvl 30 again for you.thats helped alot early

personaly i love NF
the goods:
new keeps and all different,new tactics ,new maps ,no more porting ,no more GP ,no more 5 min relic raid
the bads:
ingame radar/2 ( thats a big mistake ),you can port keep to keep ,i can put my arms finaly to the trash

and dont forget NF is not = the zerg.the players chose what they play.keep takes and retakes its already zergware.my group keep runing in 1 fg in NF to

 

[Tuorin]

um, I don't remeber ablion getting a shit load of abilities in NF, its the realm with the highest population that can easly hold all relics, there are/was server in the US were albion don't/didn't hold any relics.

in current state, 2fg of Hibs/Mids taking a keep defended by 4fg of Albs = balanced, in NF 4fgs of Albs taking a keep heald by 2fg of Mids/Hibs = Unbalanced? Maybe its becasue Albs are use to need large numbers to over come even a handful of abusing, overpowered enemies player that they do well in NF. You can't just send 1fg to defend a keep from 4fgs attacking it anymore.

Most random Hib groups die pretty fast to lower numbers of Albs and Mids at keep fights, so its feasible that 2fg Albs, kill 4fg Hibs. If those Hib/Mid groups are opted against a warder zerg then thats feasible, just same as 2FG opted Albs vs Cosantior zerg.

Albs dont need large numbers in NF, but add range and numbers together, looks like they will do well.

 

[fungus]

um, I don't remeber ablion getting a shit load of abilities in NF, its the realm with the highest population that can easly hold all relics, there are/was server in the US were albion don't/didn't hold any relics.

in current state, 2fg of Hibs/Mids taking a keep defended by 4fg of Albs = balanced, in NF 4fgs of Albs taking a keep heald by 2fg of Mids/Hibs = Unbalanced? Maybe its becasue Albs are use to need large numbers to over come even a handful of abusing, overpowered enemies player that they do well in NF. You can't just send 1fg to defend a keep from 4fgs attacking it anymore.

hmmmm lemme guess whos got most population on prydwen ..... ah yes forgot its dem albs.

 

[Tuorin]

yesterday RvR ( in emain )

about 5 different group RvRed from hibenia
about 2 different group RvRed from midgard ( included Mael random group)
about 3-4 different group RvRed from albion ( PE joined later ) yes somtimes big alb zerg formed but not for long

hibs cant dead on this server.if the population lower they give a lvl 30 again for you.thats helped alot early

personaly i love NF
the goods:
new keeps and all different,new tactics ,new maps ,no more porting ,no more GP ,no more 5 min relic raid
the bads:
ingame radar/2 ( thats a big mistake ),you can port keep to keep ,i can put my arms finaly to the trash

and dont forget NF is not = the zerg.the players chose what they play.keep takes and retakes its already zergware.my group keep runing in 1 fg in NF to

From Hib point of view, last night rvr emain.

2 fights vs 1fg of foes without adds. One at MMG grogs vs PE which we won and one vs Mael near tower which we lost. Rest of time found groups running with sbs/hunters or 2-3fg Albs adding.

Lvl 30 just increases alts, doesnt work, same people still rvr either with alt or old toon.

I'm sure you will like NF, 5 min relic raids are not good, but at least now underpopulated can use tactics. Keeping 6 relics because you have 400 people to 200 people will be cool. uke:

 

[fungus]

yesterday RvR ( in emain )

about 5 different group RvRed from hibenia
about 2 different group RvRed from midgard ( included Mael random group)
about 3-4 different group RvRed from albion ( PE joined later ) yes somtimes big alb zerg formed but not for long

hibs cant dead on this server.if the population lower they give a lvl 30 again for you.thats helped alot early

personaly i love NF
the goods:
new keeps and all different,new tactics ,new maps ,no more porting ,no more GP ,no more 5 min relic raid
the bads:
ingame radar/2 ( thats a big mistake ),you can port keep to keep ,i can put my arms finaly to the trash

and dont forget NF is not = the zerg.the players chose what they play.keep takes and retakes its already zergware.my group keep runing in 1 fg in NF to

the problem is steveh, pre NF randoms non toa-fied 50- cant do shit when RvR-ing cause they get steam rolled by those gank groups, so they dont even try.
However post NF its numbers that matters, increasing the suvivability by porting from keep to keep and zerging your way to relics will even get the 40+ lowbies out (at least that happened on the US).

NF will bring death to the 8vs8 as I see it, which is my Game.
Ill give NF a try of course but i dont expect it to be a lot of fun , to me at least meanwhile ill be getting my healer Toafied on Camlan ;-)

 

[Steveh]

the problem is steveh, pre NF randoms non toa-fied 50- cant do shit when RvR-ing cause they get steam rolled by those gank groups, so they dont even try.
However post NF its numbers that matters, increasing the suvivability by porting from keep to keep and zerging your way to relics will even get the 40+ lowbies out (at least that happened on the US).

my RR10 arms is fully Toa sc-ed and i cant do shit in RvR

the range is dead when the nearsight casted.thats kil the range easly.

and the 40 + lowbies already die from the eclipse/np/maelstorm gank groups if i remember right.

wait for the NF.i think everybody can find what he like in the game.

im a optimist

 

[fungus]

my RR10 arms is fully Toa sc-ed and i cant do shit in RvR

the range is dead when the nearsight casted.thats kil the range easly.

and the 40 + lowbies already die from the eclipse/np/maelstorm gank groups if i remember right.

wait for the NF.i think everybody can find what he like in the game.

im a optimist

steveh try reading vnboards about how fun it is to play a tank in NF then ill talk 2 u again

 

[Aoln]

vnboards = americans = thick as shit

 

[Case]

Alb RvR population isn`t very much different from mids on prydwen thats a fact so please stop whining about zergs ect. Hib`s will no doubt suffer however and I`d be surprised if /level 30 wasn`t brought back.

From playing NF myself I`d say the main advantage alb has gained is more open space, thus allowing sorc mez advantage to work as intended.

There will also be much more reliance on good tactics as opposed to following the racetrack. For example last night on Bors hibs took a tower half way down the map thus stopping any albs porting past that tower to reinforce beno and berks. They then had 2 seperate groups patrolling and farming any albs making the run up there, the albs on Bors do seem incredibly stupid though so not sure it`ll translate to prydwen in the same way.

Scouts seem to do well btw because the US players have lost the ability to use /face and press last attacker button as opposed to being super human killing machines. I personally took out nearly 2fg solo unbuffed with my RR3 scout by using the extremely overpowered ability known as "standing behind a tree!"

 

[Ormorof]

Also expecting this server to die.

people have been saying THAT for ages

 

[Marchus]

imo there will be zerg, and the random groups gonna able to do more things, and not just die. Keep takes are fun (imo), even in OF too ^^. Albs gonna have "better" time, cos they are many, and don't have to worry about the overpowered "alb speed".
I hope it wont be a mainly stealthers VS stealthers, cos there are lots of stealthers out in prydwen already -/.

 

[fungus]

Alb RvR population isn`t very much different from mids on prydwen thats a fact so please stop whining about zergs ect. Hib`s will no doubt suffer however and I`d be surprised if /level 30 wasn`t brought back.

From playing NF myself I`d say the main advantage alb has gained is more open space, thus allowing sorc mez advantage to work as intended.

get a clue ....

 

[Steveh]

check emain now.its a "bit" zergy now but the hibs killed everything.what i said.
hibs have the lowest number on this server but hibs have more rvr oriented ppl and guild.keep this up btw

 

[Balbor]

check emain now.its a "bit" zergy now but the hibs killed everything.what i said.
hibs have the lowest number on this server but hibs have more rvr oriented ppl and guild.keep this up btw

lowest population dominating RvR pre-NF = Balanced
Highest population dominating RvR post-NF = Underbalanced

 

[Ormorof]

get a clue ....

if you look at LW rp earners on duskwave theres 2 guilds in top 10 (being Maelstrom and Baf at spot 5 and 6 )

top is hibbies and 2nd is albies

in the top 10 hibs have 4 guilds (at no 1, 3, 8 and 10)

and albs have 4 guilds (at no2, 4, 7 and 9)

so can hardly say that albs dont have an active rvr population

 

[Eroda]

I'm hoping NF will still provide varied rvr and it wont all be keep based. I dont see why those who want to do fg vs fg rvr cant continue to do so while others engage in keep warfare. I certainly would like to do a bit of both.

Haven't really read about the new terrain so no idea how it effects where people will naturally meet (like milegates and routes between them). Guess if people are scattered all over, it might be bad.

Will soon see anyway i guess and tbh it couldn't be worse than tonight, there were like 90 albs running about emain at primetime with everything dead within seconds of it leaving mpk or entering emain.

 

[Sycho]

Emain is like daytona.

I am actually looking forward to NF, the game seems more balanced in NF than now anyway, just with stupid FZ on 3 healers fuck up by mythic and amount of grapplers hibs use is very frustrating xD

I think that will be the only problems really in NF balance wise.

Also seems the land will be a lot more varied than it is at the moment which is a good thing and more fair.

 

[blejs]

Think gank groups will have fun still, specially hibbi, think about how many albs and middis thats keep raiding taht u can attack :]


But we will see what happends

 

[Botond]

lowest population dominating RvR pre-NF = Balanced
Highest population dominating RvR post-NF = Underbalanced

hell no,we gonna pwn u even further if NF out,hibs just love siege,while albs dont have a clue what a keep is and once amg removed albs wont have a clue where to camp with their 6-8fgs

givf NF lemme summon sun mace for FFin more \o/

 

[Maleg]

um, I don't remeber ablion getting a shit load of abilities in NF, its the realm with the highest population that can easly hold all relics, there are/was server in the US were albion don't/didn't hold any relics.

I think it was something like 1 in 15 servers where Albion wasn't doing very well. You are right in a sense though, Albion didn't get anythign 'new' per se with NF. However the whole format of RvR changed from being open skirmish orientated to Keep / stand-off fights. As you are well aware Hib / Mid have an easier time at FG fighting and certainly at lower RR's have an advantange over Albion. Numerous players have shown though that Albion can also field very very strong FG teams.

If Albion want to, they have every chance of dominating in NF - the two biggest contributing factors in NF are range and population, Albion is a realm that excels on the range side and for most servers has a population advantage (should they choose to use it).

lowest population dominating RvR pre-NF = Balanced
Highest population dominating RvR post-NF = Underbalanced

Gross over-simplification that does your arguement no justice. You forget to include factors like individual realm strength, active RvR population and organisation which all play a massive factor. These play a role both pre and post NF - however with insta porting and siege your RvR population (which will probably be ~population for first few weeks) > organisation or Realm Strength. Consider again that Alb is more suited to NF and for the most part have a larger population..... means to be defeated they've got to play like a bunch of moronic n00bs and Hibs would need to play extremely well.

As far as I can see the Mid / Alb numbers on Pryd are fairly even, if Midgard are organised then I think they'll be an equal match for Albion. Hib isn't doing so well, always low on total population with a declining RvR population also, really not sure how it will work out for them.

 

[Maleg]

Alb RvR population isn`t very much different from mids on prydwen thats a fact so please stop whining about zergs ect. Hib`s will no doubt suffer however and I`d be surprised if /level 30 wasn`t brought back.

Mythic have removed all the /level stuff with NF, you can't even get /level 20 anymore. In it's place you have the XP, RP and free level bonus's. However the jury is out on wether this will actually help or not. /level 30 never worked as anticipated, I very much doubt this new idea will either. For the most part shifting servers is too much grief and lets face it, new player influx to DAoC isn't fantastic.

Scouts seem to do well btw because the US players have lost the ability to use /face and press last attacker button as opposed to being super human killing machines.

I think that scouts shotting at maximum range in NF are outside /face range. Either way it's more to do with the fact that population and range provide the greatest advantange and Albion has characters with the best range and for the most part have the largest population.

 

[Cirandi]

Personally i look forward to the new bg's and patch 1.71 to be able to xp my artis in a not-so-painstaking way.
It'll be interesting to learn my way around the new frontiers layout too, with everyone equally clueless.

 

[Maleg]

Mythic have removed all the /level stuff with NF, you can't even get /level 20 anymore. In it's place you have the XP, RP and free level bonus's.

That bit of information was slightly incorrect. /level 20 is still in the game for people with existing 50 character on an account. /level 30 has been removed completely from the live servers (still available on pendragon afaik).