so aparently saddam is dead....

[Ctuchik]

one of my motto's are, it doesn't effect me, why bother crying about it?

oh trust me, it does affect you. maybe not directly but it DOES most certainly affect you in one way or another. seing as u live in UK, higher taxes to pay for having troops over there, having someone u know loosing a family member thats stationed there etc etc etc....

 

[Azurus]

America has in the past and continues to support dictators worse/equal to Saddam. They are the ones who should be punished for propping these people up at the expense and objection of their own people.

 

[Ctuchik]

killing him also sweeps the little problem under the floor

like USA's horrible fucking failure.

 

[Huntingtons]

iraqi civillians would die anwyay if saddam was still in power... he killed his own people ffs.

didnt anyone else see the news when they pulled down the statue of saddam. Says it all i think.

you did not answer the question tho - who of those would you rather see die? by the looks of it you deem americans in higher value than iraqi's.

 

[Nate]

I'm currently unsure as most others probably are as to whether it was a good thing Saddam is dead or not, we have to wait to see what happens with the amount of violence going on in Iraq. I'm guessing it's going to increase for a short time.

But was there even any other sentance then Saddams execution, does anyone know Iraq law enough? That someone killing tens of thousands of people, using illegal chemical warfare on his enemies..and his very own people. I think I remember hearing that the families of the victims are the ones who decide his fate, I'm not sure if thats possible with the amount of murder a wave of his hand has created.

The thing is, he was trialed in his own country..so who are we to debate whether he should have got a different sentance.

 

[Ctuchik]

The thing is, he was trialed in his own country..so who are we to debate whether he should have got a different sentance.

because USA said "make him guilty or ur on your own" he was doomed the moment he got captured.

USA never ever intended on giving him a fair trial. not after the huge ammount of money spent just to capture the fucker.

like when he finally DID get the sentance, USA pushed so hard to get him hung ASAP they almost shat themself. he wasent gonna get hanged this soon. but USA, as they always do, forced them to speed it up.

not that doesent mean i'm not happy that hes dead. just that i'm not so sure how "fair" the trial actually was. or if hanging him was the right thing to do.

 

[BloodOmen]

I'm glad he's dead.. got all he deserved :l the crimes he committed against humanity will always be a memory on the people that lost loved ones to his evil ways... and the rest of the world.. we can only thank that he's finally dead and got what he deserved

 

[Nate]

What proof do you have of that though Ctu? I saw on the BBC that America were keeping a very low key of involvement since he went to court, and that they infact were shocked that they didn't wait to sentance him by the other mass homicides he allegedly commited.

Although ofc, I don't believe what all the news tell me..I just believe a news station more then someone on a forum.

 

[noblok]

iraqi civillians would die anwyay if saddam was still in power... he killed his own people ffs.

There are more Iraqi civilians dying now than under Saddam's regime.

But was there even any other sentance then Saddams execution, does anyone know Iraq law enough? That someone killing tens of thousands of people, using illegal chemical warfare on his enemies..and his very own people. I think I remember hearing that the families of the victims are the ones who decide his fate, I'm not sure if thats possible with the amount of murder a wave of his hand has created.

Just to clear this up: he was convicted for the murder of 100'ish people in this trial. He'll never get to be convicted for the thousands of others. Ignoring the fact that I'm against capital punishment, I think it would be preferable if at least he got convicted for all of his crimes. My guess is that this would show the responsibility of the West too much though, so they rather don't.

On an unrelated note: I think it's sick that they showed the execution on television (even though they only showed before and after). Makes me think of those Al Qaeda videos.

 

[Gamah]

So, English troops shooting Iraqi's under Blairs order isnt a crime against humanity?

Do you actually know what you're talking about or respouting the bullshit BBC feeds you?

 

[Jeremiah]

On an unrelated note: I think it's sick that they showed the execution on television (even though they only showed before and after). Makes me think of those Al Qaeda videos.

I'm totally with you on this one. It hasnt been well thought about at all, mostly just "Lets kill him as quick as possible and provide evidence that he is dead so no one can say we are weak". If I was an allied troop or an Iraqi resident, I'd be praying to my God for a quiet night, the smoke on the Iraq powder keg just got thicker.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not really pro or con on the hanging.

Not really, well, "right" if i could say it.

Killing someone is always wrong, no matter if the f*ckers buttraped puppies for a living. Death is ALWAYS pointless.

But, on a lighter note, it's good to know that he died ejaculating. Now put THAT image in your head and spank me in the morning *grin*

 

[ilaya]

what's gonna happen in South Park then? 2 saddam's shagging satan?

ey! relax guy!

 

[Gamah]

just shows how much i care

Living inside a box and being ignorent of the issues around you is not a thing to be proud of.

 

[Nate]

Living inside a box and being ignorent of the issues around you is not a thing to be proud of.

Is it a tissue box? if so, he can use a tissue for the issue!


sorry couldn't resist

 

[Dahakon]

If you ask the average people in Iraq, then they will say that they were much happier under Saddam than they are now. Under Saddam, their country worked, like the electrisity and hospitals etc, now they have war lords tearing their country to pieces, and Americans soldiers blowing up what the terrorists missed.

Whats the difference between Saddam killing his own civilians and Bush going over to Iraq and killing Iraqi civilians? they both did it to get more money and power and are both war criminals as far as I can see, tbh Bush should be up on the gallows next to Sadam.

 

[elbeek]

Best thing that could have happened tbh.

A dead martyr is better than some smelly fucking raghead dictator that is alive and burdening us by keeping him, not to mention that with him out of the way there is less risk of hostages for his release. May he rot in hell.

 

[Gorbachioo]

If you ask the average people in Iraq, then they will say that they were much happier under Saddam than they are now. Under Saddam, their country worked, like the electrisity and hospitals etc, now they have war lords tearing their country to pieces, and Americans soldiers blowing up what the terrorists missed.

Whats the difference between Saddam killing his own civilians and Bush going over to Iraq and killing Iraqi civilians? they both did it to get more money and power and are both war criminals as far as I can see, tbh Bush should be up on the gallows next to Sadam.

The difference is that its slowly getting better now, which was not the case when Saddam ruled the country.

Perhaps your right when you say that right now people are less happy than they were before the war, but what do you expect? They are recovering from a war, which is still more or less there. But in 10 years they will be happier than they would be without the war. And also, those who werent favoured by Saddam were definately not happy.

As far as I can see, you just dont have a clue. :touch:

 

[elbeek]

If you ask the average people in Iraq, then they will say that they were much happier under Saddam than they are now. Under Saddam, their country worked, like the electrisity and hospitals etc, now they have war lords tearing their country to pieces, and Americans soldiers blowing up what the terrorists missed.

Whats the difference between Saddam killing his own civilians and Bush going over to Iraq and killing Iraqi civilians? they both did it to get more money and power and are both war criminals as far as I can see, tbh Bush should be up on the gallows next to Sadam.

Can't recall the last time Bush gased any of his own countrymen tbh.

 

[Ctuchik]

Can't recall the last time Bush gased any of his own countrymen tbh.

no, USA just supplied most or all the materials to make the gas.... thats perfectly fine eh?

 

[Ctuchik]

Best thing that could have happened tbh.

A dead martyr is better than some smelly fucking raghead dictator that is alive and burdening us by keeping him, not to mention that with him out of the way there is less risk of hostages for his release. May he rot in hell.

but look at it this way. how much would saddam have costed if he was kept in prison compared to the cost of having his followers fighting in HIS name as a martyr? i'm almost willing to bet my right arm that him being alive would be alot less costly then all the extra lives that will be spilled now. be it iraqi or any other nations.... just because he was a murdering little pile of cowdung doesent mean that killing him was the right choise to make.

for me, getting killed is just a easy way to get out of responsibility. sure it might have scared the living hell out of him for 5 minutes, but now hes dead and dont really give a fuck anymore.

 

[Gamah]

If you ask the average people in Iraq, then they will say that they were much happier under Saddam than they are now. Under Saddam, their country worked, like the electrisity and hospitals etc, now they have war lords tearing their country to pieces, and Americans soldiers blowing up what the terrorists missed.

Whats the difference between Saddam killing his own civilians and Bush going over to Iraq and killing Iraqi civilians? they both did it to get more money and power and are both war criminals as far as I can see, tbh Bush should be up on the gallows next to Sadam.

Source for your claims please?

 

[BloodOmen]

If you ask the average people in Iraq, then they will say that they were much happier under Saddam than they are now. Under Saddam, their country worked, like the electrisity and hospitals etc, now they have war lords tearing their country to pieces, and Americans soldiers blowing up what the terrorists missed.

Whats the difference between Saddam killing his own civilians and Bush going over to Iraq and killing Iraqi civilians? they both did it to get more money and power and are both war criminals as far as I can see, tbh Bush should be up on the gallows next to Sadam.

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Saddam Hussein is dead, Iraq’s state-run television reported Saturday.

Iraqiya television reported the 69-year-old former dictator had been hanged, while playing patriotic music and showing images of national monuments and other landmarks.

“Criminal Saddam was hanged to death,” the station said in an announcement.
From his ranch in Crawford, Texas, President Bush called Saddam’s execution “the kind of justice he denied the victims of his brutal regime.”

THE EXECUTION

Along with Saddam, Iraqi authorities hanged his half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, according to state television.

Saddam was killed 56 days after he was convicted and sentenced to death for his role in the killings of 148 Shiite Muslims in a town where he survived a 1982 assassination attempt.

A Shiite legal expert and a former member of parliament told state television the execution “was filmed and God willing it will be shown. There was one camera present, and a doctor was also present there.”

Mariam al-Rayes, also an ally of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, wasn’t at the execution. She said Al-Maliki did not attend but was represented by an aide.

NO REPRIEVE

The former dictator’s lawyers had filed a last-minute court challenge in a U.S. federal court on Friday, but the judge refused to stop the execution.

Iraq’s prime minister had also rejected calls to spare the former dictator’s life.
“Our respect for human rights requires us to execute him, and there will be no review or delay in carrying out the sentence,” al-Maliki’s office quoted him as saying before the hanging.

SADDAM’S FAREWELL

In a message to Iraqis posted Wednesday on the Internet, Saddam said he was giving his life for his country as part of the struggle against the U.S. “Here, I offer my soul to God as a sacrifice, and if he wants, he will send it to heaven with the martyrs.
“Long live jihad and the mujahadeen.”

OTHER VOICES

Before the hanging, a mosque preacher in the Shiite holy city of Najaf on Friday called Saddam’s execution “God’s gift to Iraqis.”

“Oh, God, you know what Saddam has done! He killed millions of Iraqis in prisons, in wars with neighboring countries, and he is responsible for mass graves. Oh God, we ask you to take revenge on Saddam,” said Sheik Sadralddin al-Qubanji, a member of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq,

A HISTORY OF TERROR

-- In the months after Saddam seized power on July 16, 1979, he had hundreds of members of his own party and army officers slain.

-- Saddam was accused of genocide and other crimes for a 1987-88 military crackdown that killed an estimated 180,000 Kurds in northern Iraq. When he was killed, he was in the midst of a trial for these crimes.

-- In 1996, he ordered the slaying of two sons-in-law who had defected to Jordan but returned to Baghdad after they were guaranteed safety.

-- Saddam plunged the country into a war with Iran from 1980-88 that killed hundreds of thousands on both sides.

-- Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990 aiming to seize its oil wealth, but the U.S.-led coalition soundly defeated him.

-- U.S.-led troops invaded Iraq in March 2003. Saddam’s regime fell quickly, but the country remains mired in a fight with a vicious insurgency by Saddam loyalists and sectarian conflict.

Flurry of confusion greets Saddam’s execution
BAGHDAD, Iraq — As he faced the gallows Friday, Saddam Hussein told his lawyers that he was prepared to die and his supporters in Iraq would view him as a martyr.

The former dictator “believes in his destiny,” one of his attorneys said.

But Iraqi government officials who are close to the case described a very different Saddam, one who was extremely nervous Friday evening when U.S. officials reportedly handed him over.

“He is in a state of shock,” said Mithal Alusi, a parliament member who sat in on the government’s daylong meetings Friday about Saddam’s fate. “He came apart. He realized he couldn’t escape this.”

Saddam was executed around 6 a.m. Baghdad time (10 p.m. EST) on Saturday.
The government’s announcement Friday that the former dictator’s death was imminent stunned both his supporters and his fiercest opponents. Iraqis were glued to their televisions and radios waiting for word of his execution.

According to his lawyers, who’d spoken earlier in the day, Saddam was serene, confident that his followers would carry his message to posterity.

“Saddam wants to be a martyr, not stay in jail. He wants to tease the enemy. He wants to follow his two sons (whom American forces killed in 2003) and sacrifice himself for the Iraqi people,” Badie Izzat Aref, a member of the defense team, told McClatchy Newspapers.

Added Khalil al Dulaimi, his chief attorney throughout the trial from Amman, Jordan: “He is quiet and ready. He believes in his destiny.”

Iraq braced for his execution, which many feared could spur more violence in the already volatile nation. But amid the anxiety, many said the dictator was getting what he deserved.

“I swear, I will pay all the money I have to see him executed,” said Emad Jassim, a 41-year-old businessman from the Shiite holy city of Najaf, where Saddam — a Sunni — had ordered thousands of people attacked, tortured and killed. “He killed three of my brothers, my father, two of my uncles and sent my mother and sister to jail. God help the oppressed.”

Although Iraqis were glued to their TV sets at the beginning of the trial, they had lost almost all interest by the end. Some complained that the trial was merely a drawn-out soap opera, not a swift legal proceeding.

Others said the deaths of 148 people two decades ago seemed insignificant in today’s Iraq, in which 100 people are killed a day nationwide on average. Indeed, nearly as many people have died in Iraq in the last two days in car bombings, shooting and kidnappings.

Since December 2003, when American forces discovered Saddam hiding in an underground bunker near his hometown of Tikrit, many Iraqis had said his execution was inevitable. But the news Friday that it was imminent confused and shocked the country, which had assumed that its dictator of nearly three decades would face several more trials before death, including for his actions during the Iran-Iraq war and the Persian Gulf War.



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Saddam hanged

Baghdad, December 30
Saddam Hussein was hanged at dawn today, a dramatic end for a leader who ruled Iraq by fear for three decades before a US invasion toppled him and was then convicted of crimes against humanity.

As day broke on one of the holiest days of the Muslim year and the call to prayer echoed out from minarets across a dark and bitterly cold Baghdad, officially-backed TV channels flashed the news shortly after 6 am. (0300 GMT). The two men hanged alongside Saddam were Barzan Ibrahim Hassan al-Tikriti, one of Saddam's three half-brothers and a former director of the fieared Mukhabarat intelligence service, and Awad Ahmed al-Bander al-Sadun, former chief judge of the revolutionary court.

"He has been executed," said a senior US official in Washington, where the death of a man branded a dangerous tyrant and threat to world security was welcomed by an administration facing mounting public dismay at a war in which the American death toll is fast approaching 3,000.

Details of the execution were scant but state television Iraqiya said Saddam, 69, had mounted the scaffold first, followed by his half-brother and a former judge who were convicted with him last month for killing 148 Shi’ite men from the town of Dujail.

“The three men were executed. First Saddam Hussein, then Barzan al-Tikriti and then Awad al-Bander,” an Iraqiya announcer said, reading what he said was an official statement.

The event was filmed but it was unclear when or if images would be shown to help convince Iraqis Saddam is dead. It was not clear where the executions took place, although key officials who were to attend the hanging had told Reuters they had been told to gather in Baghdad’s fortified Green Zone government compound. An early execution will delight Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s Shi’ites, but may anger Sunni minority as well as some Kurds.

Some officials had believed the start of the week-long Eid al-Adha holiday at noon, coinciding with the haj pilgrimage to Mecca, might have caused a delay of the execution before a late night meeting between Maliki and US officials agreed the final procedures.





seems to me like people with both be happy and also angry at the execution :/

 

[Dallas]

i have to admit, im proud to live in a country that supports hanging people without prooving them guilty, should do it more!

 

[Ctuchik]

What proof do you have of that though Ctu? I saw on the BBC that America were keeping a very low key of involvement since he went to court, and that they infact were shocked that they didn't wait to sentance him by the other mass homicides he allegedly commited.

Although ofc, I don't believe what all the news tell me..I just believe a news station more then someone on a forum.

i dont have any proof. do you have any proof of the opposite other then what USA wants you to see?

but just by looking at the near past. if USA wants something done that might hurt them, they almost always let another contry take the hit for it and try to look as if they have almost nothing to do with it themself. i very much doubt that USA want to be on the recieving end of the terrorists more then absolutly neccesary if saddam actually DO get a "martyr" status from this, wich is bloody well possible.

granted this is all speculations as theres no way whatsoever to get proof of it. but its something that needs to be thought about.

i'm not trying to be overly anti american here, but they have been fucking around with other nations a few times to many for me to just blatantly accept that they are totally honest about anything.

 

[Ctuchik]

seems to me like people with both be happy and also angry at the execution :/

offcourse, theres never possible to please everyone.

 

[Aiteal]

Can't recall the last time Bush gased any of his own countrymen tbh.

I think he had loads of folks gased when he was governor of Texas

Besides, was Sutcliffe a better man than Fred West because West killed family members and Sutcliffe didn't?

Bush/Blair started a war knowing full well that thousands of innocent Iraqis civilians would die in bombings they ordered.
That places them in the same category as Saddam in my book.

Bush is just a spoilt rich boy that dodged the draft in Vietnam sending economically disadvantaged americans to die in a far off country for oil for him and his corporate buddies.

Blair is beyond contempt, someone that thinks so little of the intelligence of the average british man/woman that he can pass off something he copied from the internet as a reason to drop bombs on people half ways around the world.

What's even worse is that he gets away with it.
The man lied to you, he stuck APC's at Heathrow to scare the shit out of you, he made fuck knows how much money from his best selling book in America and will make fuck knows how much more on the US dinner circuit when he steps down as PM.


Seriously, lets not even try to pretend this has anything to do with dictators or democracy or the "war on terror"
We're all grown ups here


50,000+ innocent civilians
men, woman, children
with hopes, dreams, lovers, friends
50,000
anyone of which
in a twist of fate could have been your best friend, father, brother, sister, mother, son, daughter, love of your life, or just some guy you met out one night who told you a really funny joke that made the beer come out your nose

all snuffed out
blown to pieces by bombs
burned alive by fire
smashed to pieces in falling buildings whilst we all sat on our fucking arses watching the pretty "shock and awe" colours on the TV news before heading off to the pub for a drink with our mates, or dinner with our family, or a date with that nice girl with the big tits your friend said puts out on the first night for a few WKD's

just so a shower of ***** can have cheap petrol for their SUV's

Good ridance to Sadam
I won't mourn his passing
One more evil CIA backed fucker burning in hell with any luck
And i'll raise a glass when bush and blair join him there

The only thing that makes me an agnostic rather than an atheist
Is the hope that there is some sort of justice after this world
The last few years have shown there's none here

 

[Starwind]

Saddman Insane as slaughtered alot of his own people, and has been tried for it, and now he swings from rope.

And now alot of people in Iraq and around the world feel that justice has been served for what he has done.

Through all the crap there has been coverups all over the place, but the fact is, this nutter has been doing his butcher acts for more than 35 years, they have been trying to nail him for years for it.

Ive just seen the hagin and it looks like they hung him from the top of some stairs or somthing.

 

[Sharma]

Well just watched the video of him snuffing it.

Mildly entertaining.

 

[Chronictank]

they have been trying to nail him for years for it.

Thats completely wrong, they supported him for years...
he was no longer of any value so they "nailed him", if he had the forethought to get some dirty laundry on the yanks none of this would ever have happened

Dont get me wrong, he may have been a sick soab but doesnt change the fact that there are alot worse figures out there atm than a guy who was almost dead anyway.. you just have to look at Africa, difference is they still fund the biggest arms dealer in the world so are left to their own devices