So Albs sunken to alarm clock raids now that they can no longer do prime times?

[snoepie]

We can also prove that we can do a prime time relic raid on another realm. 2:00am in the morning is NOT prime time, no matter what day of the week it is.

and it's not the raid leaders fault that more then half of midgard is scandanavian or where ever they from where it's CET in stead of GMT so QQ more :kissit:

 

[Tay]

whats that got to do with anything at all? u said all realms raid out of hours, and i said hibs will not, so ur wrong, not my problem if u wanna try justify it

Will not or have never?

There is a difference.

Dont forget the cute ickle list showed successful raids only.

 

[Tay]

it's what happens when you're exposed to so much hypocrisy.

Actually you're supposed to rise above it.....

 

[Debuffs]

well most albs are just RP cows who are in-capable of organised rvr this is why they zerg, why shouldn't the few that actually know how to play do things themselves, ever heard the saying to many cooks ruin the broth?

You must be either incredibly stupid or blind to not understand why albs zerg. The casual gamer hasnt got time to sit at apk for 45 minutes to build a decent setup. So Alb grp 1 (gimped OFC) sets out from apk and dies to the likes of Vng, Groova and other Exceptional rvr guilds. Alb grp 2 follows shortly behind. so they team up to at least get some Realm Points. This is the begining of the zerg and it gets worse. As for ppl like Vng,DH etc If it wasnt for the amount of warder zergs leavin apk their Rps per week would drop considerably. This doesnt mean its the good RvR guilds fault that ppl start to zerg. Blame mythic at the end of the day becos this game is by no means designed for Casual gamers.

 

[Tay]

I wish BW was still up Aussie, there would have been some priceless quotes in this thread. When Mids took the str relics, I remember your QQ like it was yesterday

I recall it too, there are many Albs thats are consipcuous in thier absence here too

Having said that I have maintained my position for over 2 year, prolly why I have a very numb leg now..

 

[Tay]

Doesnt NF bring a RA that turns pets against its master ?

You might want to have a wee read about RA's now..

 

[Tay]

First of all, till I read this comment I thought it was a very nice raid. Now after I read this comment, I can care less about defending the relic if it comes down to this. Why if you ask? this is suppose to be a multi player game. These 7 guilds, in my opinion, are taking away from all albs in the realm in general. Since the game has spys, server crashes and everything else, I can understand why it resorted to this type of raid. But letting 7 GMs/guilds determine the factor of all albs in general and not letting other guilds in on the fun is just runing it for all albs.

He did specifically mention RVR guilds.

Name Realm Points
Bloody-Lust 1,715,049

Anybody and I mean anybody can arrange a RR, you dont need to have more than 1.7mill RP's, you dont need any, these guys decided to do one, it benefited the realm, gj to em.

I really hope this RR prompts more rvr like the last time.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

So the mids screamed and whined when Alb did primetime raids.

Then they screamed and whined that it was OK for Mid to do alarmclock raids because - weill just because it was!

And now they're screaming and whining because of a 2am Alb raid again.

Tell me - under what circumstances does mid not scream and whine?

 

[yaruar]

So the mids screamed and whined when Alb did primetime raids.

Then they screamed and whined that it was OK for Mid to do alarmclock raids because - weill just because it was!

And now they're screaming and whining because of a 2am Alb raid again.

Tell me - under what circumstances does mid not scream and whine?

No, none of us are whining because albs did a non prime time raid with easy mode tactics. We are laughing at albs due to their hypocricy. The same albs who QQ'd over mids doing an alarm clock raid are congratulating this raid. I say good raid and good tactics. Although aggro management raids are still PvE raids and not PvP raids as there is no feedback to let people defend if you don't kill guards. Realistically the Keep lord should broadcast a call to arms when the first door of a relic keep goes down IMO.....

Just don't whine if mids come and take the relic at 4 or 11 am, you should congratulate them for a job well done.

 

[Moo]

 

[Flimgoblin]

not sure I'm too happy with the tactics/timing used for it but I'll probably be a bit more inclined to try to defend this one since at least it was albs that captured it.

That said FaultFinder, Shrooms and other cheesy things make relic raids a joke these days. Roll on New Frontiers.

Now lets get some action in HW again shall we?

 

[swords]

I think the idea is that we'll just take them again.
Though tbh most of this will be sorted in NF but its good that they aren;t being static like they have for so long, maybe someone should take them power relics from the hippies again

 

[yaruar]

Now lets get some action in HW again shall we?

My current guild can run a group with 4 thanes and shamen for healing, you fancy a battle of the gimps again

 

[Flimgoblin]

I think the idea is that we'll just take them again.
Though tbh most of this will be sorted in NF but its good that they aren;t being static like they have for so long, maybe someone should take them power relics from the hippies again

aye that's true it's a bit more dynamic now gifv 20% smite damage boost imo

 

[Flimgoblin]

My current guild can run a group with 4 thanes and shamen for healing, you fancy a battle of the gimps again

Assemble the Smite Club!

 

[Thorwyn]

No, none of us are whining because albs did a non prime time raid

So Albs sunken to alarm clock raids not that they can no longer do prime times?

/em ponders

 

[Asty]

This must be like the longest thread ever on FH

 

[Herjulf]

Yeah. Because it pisses people off.

Whining over 0900 am raids being alarm clock raids then fucking doin an logout+exploit+0300 raid and calling it primetime.

I can tell you one thing and that is that it purely technical wasent done the way it is intended.
They enabled the relic under attack warning feature for a reason, to give people a sporting chance to defend.
Setting that out of commision by using 1 the time of day + 2. engaging guards 3. Taking out inner door only with trebs and finally 4. scaling walls with the imballanced, scale wall capabilities the realm in question posess.

in 10mins the relic was out the warning was given when relic was taken.

The recent mid vs hib relic raid was several hours if not a full day´s pre warning.

The raid was so low that all alarm clock raids in comparison is a friggin chivalry deed.

Come on and brag when u do a actuall primetime raid, modell: Ardamel.

Til then suck on my week old socks.

 

[katt!]

1 out of 4 aint bad retardojulf.

 

[Hendrich]

some deffinitions for some people that may not know what exactly they mean

strategy
W2
noun

1 [uncountable] the skill of planning in advance the movements of armies or equipment in a war

2 [countable] a well-planned series of actions for achieving an aim, especially success against an opponent: Our strategy was to defend and then counterattack.
[+ for]: a strategy for dealing with unemployment

3 [uncountable] skilful planning in general: the need to focus on strategy for the entire company


tactic noun

1 [countable] a method that you use to achieve something: Salesmen employ all sorts of clever tactics to try and persuade you. | delaying tactic(s) (=something you do in order to give yourself more time) | strongarm tactics (=the use of violence to achieve your aim)

2 [countable usually plural] the way in which military forces are arranged in order to win a battle

If you ask me albs relic was both strategy and tactics used.... never seen hibs or mids do that

 

[swords]

Since when did this raid become a logout raid?
and it wasnt 0300 either. it started earlier than that on a weekend on one of the busiest days in the week.
The whole plan was based on stealth and remaining undetected.
thats why it was small groups made from the 7 guilds, it was planned well in advance and if you didn't see what was coming with the practice session on the pow relic keep a few days before then its your bad for spending so much time ganking the noob warders in Emain or rerolling FOTM hibs

Hibs took back that pow relic and it was out fault we lost it because noone responded and noone in Albion actively roams there.

You whine about how Albs are zergling nubbers and how we can never get relics because we zerg the server to death...then we do a sneaky raid using tactics and it is victorious you whine some more.
Well after hearing all that about how ''it's a 24 hours game!'' and ''You guys zerg so we can't take them primetime so its ok to take em Sunday morning'' maybe some of us decided that 12-2 was a good enough compromise between full on early primetime and non primetime on a Sunday morning.

Either way things are going to get more interesting around here without the need to crash the bloody server which is very much needed now.

 

[Asha]

They enabled the relic under attack warning feature for a reason, to give people a sporting chance to defend.

They also enabled engaging. They could easily disable it on guards. It's a tactic, get over it.

 

[yaruar]

They also enabled engaging. They could easily disable it on guards. It's a tactic, get over it.

and no better or no worse than logging in at 6am in the morning.
noone who condemned the mid log in alarm clock raid should be clapping aussie on the back here...... This raid was no better.

 

[Herbal]

and no better or no worse than logging in at 6am in the morning.
noone who condemned the mid log in alarm clock raid should be clapping aussie on the back here...... This raid was no better.

As stated before np where at amg before relic was only 4/5fgs involved. If you'd moved you couldve defended, 6 am relic takes u cant defend, so no it's not worse

 

[Heath]

and no better or no worse than logging in at 6am in the morning.
noone who condemned the mid log in alarm clock raid should be clapping aussie on the back here...... This raid was no better.

I love the way that middies are trying to justify the need to do another alarm clock raid by saying that this is no better. Some people just cannot get over the fact that it was a well thought out and executed raid. I would like to know how the hell anybody with an ounce of brain could even begin to compare this to an alarm clock raid. All it would have taken was was a few people in the wrong place at the wrong time to screw it up. And, as people have already said, the numbers were online. No realm had considerably more than the other. In my eyes (and lots of others, including mids and hibs) this was a very well planned raid. So, if you dont like our tactics...QQ....its gonna happen again. I am sure we could do it more primetime (whatever your version of primetime is, as i work nights so play it at funny hours) if you would like. Might stop you from bitching..doubt it though cos the next whine of engage tactics is already lined up if we do it again.

 

[Aussie]

it's so fun to see those mids play with the 'hours' .
mid x admits it was 6am. then a post later it was only 9am xD
it was 1am when we did the relicraid and then it suddenly becomes 3am xD
whatever fits you best isn't it mids.

and like I stated before. We don't have any morals about the time of raiding. better get over it or you'll make lots of rivurs

 

[Thorwyn]

They enabled the relic under attack warning feature for a reason

That´s correct. They enabled the relic under attack warning to make attacking relics harder. But that doesn´t mean it´s mandatory to let the alarm go off or warn the other realm. Obstacles are there to be circumvented, not to bump into.
Paralyzing, shutting off or avoiding defensive elements and disguising your plans are major concepts of strategy and tactics. Everybody agrees that it´s quite a good idea to bring a RR force as close to the relic keep as possible without being spotted. And everybody agrees, that not killing guards on the way there is a good idea. Nobody says "bah! lame tactics! you went through a bunch of keepguards and just mezzed them! You should have killed them, so we would have been warned!". And nobody says it´s unfair to go through HoC to avoid being spotted. I wonder why. After all, milegates are there for a reason. And look at Ardamels last RR plan! Blimey... people were supposed to play like n00bs in Emain, get killed, /corpsrelease and stay away from the windows so nobody could spot them. A pretty good example of startegy. Where is your "sportsmanship" here? Double standards anyone?
The creativity of whiners seems to be endless.
Engaging realmguards is a gamefeature. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It´s not a bug abuse, it´s not an exploit... you´re simply sacrificing time/resources to achieve a certain goal. Same thing happens every day in RvR.

Now.. the effect of this (and shrooms, and alarmclocks) is, that RR´s are more and more a one-sided thing. Neither side has a chance to reply properly. But that´s nobodys fault... not our fault, not Mids fault and not Hibs fault. If Mythic is unable to make RR`s interesting for both sides... attackers and defenders again, then we might see some good attacks/defence raids again. Until then, every side has its way to get relics.

 

[Zzang]

As stated before np where at amg before relic was only 4/5fgs involved. If you'd moved you couldve defended, 6 am relic takes u cant defend, so no it's not worse

Aye, our uber 6mangrp with 1 healer attacked relic force as they came through amg, medde instamezzed first grp. i think 9/10 used purge and ran away

 

[Herbal]

Aye, our uber 6mangrp with 1 healer attacked relic force as they came through amg, medde instamezzed first grp. i think 9/10 used purge and ran away

still point stands you where in emain suicided and got there faster than relic force so mids couldve stopped it

 

[Tholus]

<is fun to post a comment after 34 pages of thread>

If you ask me the engage mode should be patched asap because is very on the border edge of beeing a cheat imho.

But untill then, this tactic is perfectly fair, this is a war, and Albs are allowed to use any legal tactic (as we use animist btw).

So congratulations Albs for what seems to be a very well organized RR!

Relics moving from Realm to Realm are a great fun part of this game (even when we loose them ) and this is pure spice on the Game..... and seeing Mids QQ after their alarmclock is sooooo fun