Smoking banned in all pubs/clubs

[Gef]

I don't need to wash my clothes after a night out because a car drove past.
I do need to wash my clothes after some cock lit up in a restaurant, making my clothes reek and my food taste of shit.

I'd hope you washed your clothes after a night out anyway

 

[Calaen]

I'd hope you washed your clothes after a night out anyway

Having been to Ireland a few times since the law came in over there it is very refreshing to be able to out knowing that when I get home to my smoke free house I aint gonna smell like i've been smoking all night.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

The most important issue has not been raised: If smoking is banned in CLUBS that means I can no longer take a few spliffs in with me.

THIS IS BAD NEWS.


(Otherwise, I couldn't give two shits)

 

[Lamont]

Just looking at the attitudes of some of the guys here that are against the ban, I have come to the conclusion that the Daily Mail is an even worse rag than I imagined.

Not only is it full of political bias, but apparently it rots your brain and gives you Torret's Syndrome. And let's be honest, the guys who I'm talking about here (you know who you are) don't hate Blair, they hate authority.

And has anybody else noticed that the majority of the pissed idiots that start the fights outside pubs are also <gasp> smokers? Mind you, that may just be at my local, which has almost a 100% smoker clientele as no-one else wants to cut through the poison to get to the 'public' bar.

Bring on the ban! You want to smoke do it in your own house... kill yourself and your own family. Ahhh, but so many smokers are THAT selfish, they'd rather ignore the health issues and enjoy their fags. 'My kids are the most important thing in my life' they bleat, as they stub out another cancer stick. Not only are their kids gonna smoke passively day in day out, but they are in all liklihood going to emulate their parents and start smoking themselves... yay! Well done mum and dad, you just knocked 10 years off your kid's life.. aren't you proud!

Smoking kills, as does passive smoking - fact!

Stow your childish whines that 'cars and lorries kill too - ban them!' - it's a pathetic and impractical argument.

'But it's my CHOICE.. I live in a FREE WORLD... I hate the 'NANNY STATE'.. I have the RIGHT to CHOOSE to smoke...'

Wake up. You live in a democracy. You don't have the 'right' to kill someone with a shotgun. You don't have 'any' right other than the right's you are granted BY that democracy.. the point about democracy is that you have a voice in deciding what your rights should be.. Well, the democracy has spoken, and you no longer have the 'right' to smoke in public places.

Deal with it, or go find a more suitable democracy for yourself.

A final word to all those that are genuinely trying to give up, especially the 'social smokers'. Good luck, I think this ban will definitely help you kick the habit, and the fact you are attempting to quit has got to make you view the ban as a good thing.

 

[mank!]

I do need to wash my clothes after some cock lit up in a restaurant, making my clothes reek and my food taste of shit.

christ man do you suffer from OCD? one cigarette doesn't make your clothes reek whatsoever.

now, if you spend the evening in a smoke filled pub then you will reek.

 

[Furr]

Who's going to enforce this ban??? Also what about those little local pubs full of the local hard nut psycho's, Im sure that if some goverment worker went to check the non smoking policy we'll be reading how a body was found in a canal the next day or something!

 

[ECA]

christ man do you suffer from OCD? one cigarette doesn't make your clothes reek whatsoever.

OCD?
One cigarette does indeed make my clothes smell.
Went out for a meal on saturday, someone at a table near us smoked _one_ cigarette, I had a shower when I got back in and could still smell the fagsmell on the clothes I had worn. Maybe not reek, but if I'm wearing them I can smell the smoke on them.

 

[yaruar]

if you want you're rights to smoke in a pub, then i want my rights to smoke crack in crowded trains and at my desk at work.

goddammit, it's my body, i'm not letting any authority take my rights away from me.

And, yes i did smoke for years and even then i would have been in favour of a ban, i've been to NYC, Eire and Toronto all of which didn't allow smoking in bars and clubs and i didn't have a problem with going outside for a smoke.

Although i've now given up, so all you loosers can get cold whilst i sit in the warm and sup my pint thank you very much!

 

[Lamont]

Furr.. spot fines, like parking fines.

The ban will be enforced by the pubs themselves. Otherwise they are also liable for large spot fines, and/or revokation of licenses. No pubs will risk that in order to 'keep a Scunthorpe bricky happy'

Plus, you can guarantee a lot of non-smokers will make calls to their police stations reporting anyone ignoring the law. Again, spot fines.. don't pay and you face court, followed by prosecution and resulting in further fines etc etc.

My bet is that the landlords and the pub workers will all make sufficient noices about 'unfair ban - but we have no choice, I'm sorry' etc etc to keep their regular smokers on their side, and then smoke free public places will gradually slide into the culture over the next few years.

 

[Trem]

OCD?
One cigarette does indeed make my clothes smell.
Went out for a meal on saturday, someone at a table near us smoked _one_ cigarette, I had a shower when I got back in and could still smell the fagsmell on the clothes I had worn. Maybe not reek, but if I'm wearing them I can smell the smoke on them.

Yes fags do make your clothes stink. I do agree with that, if you don't smoke they smell even worse. When I don't smomke my mates stink of fags, even if I have quit for a couple of hours. But then again a drunks sick smells worse

My friend has just told me about when his brother went to Ireland for a stag do, he said all the pubs smelt of farts because the fag smoke wasn't masking the stench, he said it was way worse than the smell of ciggies.

 

[TdC]

My friend has just told me about when his brother went to Ireland for a stag do, he said all the pubs smelt of farts because the fag smoke wasn't masking the stench, he said it was way worse than the smell of ciggies.

so instead of burnt tobacco you're going to smell the smell of humans enclosed in a space for some time. and piss ofc. I hope that the pubs get wise and install decent ventilation systems.

Last time I was in a UK pub, in Edinburgh to be precise, it smelled clean and fresh and slightly of beer. Course, the club I was in the night before that smelled of weed and smoke machines

 

[Conchabar]

ive been thinking about this ban, and i just remembered, people smoke to calm there nerves. dam this is going to be great, get some popcorn sit out side the pub and watch the fights ^^ we are the most violent drinking nation, so this going to be epic

its not smoking that should be banned its drinking, its not weed that should be banned its coke, and coffee

 

[Whipped]

Personally I think they goverment has gone about this all the wrong way. Banning anything will always get someone's backs up. Noone likes to be told what to do.

What should have happened, imo, is this. All pubs & clubs should have been given the choice of enforcing a smoking ban, with the added incentive that anyone who did enforce a ban would recieve a monetary compensation for any potential loss of earnings.

This way, I believe we would have seen more and more pubs and clubs ban smoking and it would slowly become accepted that you couldn't smoke in a pub. Much like it is now accepted that you can't smoke in your office at work or the cinema.

One other thing, the last thing you want to do to a person who gets violent when driking, is tell them what they can and can't do

Oh and just for the record, I actually quit smoking 5 weeks ago now, 3 weeks without patches or any replacement things.

 

[Gef]

What should have happened, imo, is this. All pubs & clubs should have been given the choice of enforcing a smoking ban, with the added incentive that anyone who did enforce a ban would recieve a monetary compensation for any potential loss of earnings.

Wouldnt have worked, it was a blanket ban or nothing really. Pubs that are designated 'non-smoking' would end up being completely deserted, while the smoking pubs rake it in. Plus there would be no real way to figure out how much a pub had lost due to pushing away smokers.

Its one of the reasons their initial idea was rejected as unworkable, pubs that serve food would have just stopped serving food to better accomodate smokers.

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, but I guarantee this will have some major knock-on effects.

 

[Chilly]

Who's going to enforce this ban??? Also what about those little local pubs full of the local hard nut psycho's, Im sure that if some goverment worker went to check the non smoking policy we'll be reading how a body was found in a canal the next day or something!

The pubs will, it will be a clause for denial or even cancellation of the license for the pub, the pub staff and the the landlord are ultimately the ones who will enforce it.

 

[Guest]

the whole upshot of this is that beer prices will go up, as people will not goto a place where they can't smoke inside, the none smokers will pay more as well as the smokers, so everyone pays, you either stop going out or expect to pay more for your night out if you do. great.

 

[Ormorof]

people will still go to pubs though, they'll just smoke outside

and if prices start going up because they arent selling enough drinks the landlords need a basic lesson in economics

 

[Furr]

How about I buy a second house, and my mates can come and they can invite their mates, I'll have beer and stuff which they can pay me back for and they can smoke.

it's not a buisness though, i just have a party each evening and since its on private property everyone can smoke if they want.

 

[Gef]

We know from the experience in Ireland, where a smoking ban was brought in, that there has been a dramatic fall-off in trade in the first year.

Some of the fall-off has been experienced by the pubs that can't afford to make substantial investment in their gardens.

People who have decided they have a business big enough have invested in improvements to their outside spaces for smokers.

They create an outside environment that encourages smokers to come back by making the garden pleasant and providing heating.

People won't come out for nine months of the year in the inclement weather of the British Isles so you have to make a comfortable environment without contravening the enclosed spaces regulations.

Sometimes publicans have to go much further than just making their gardens nice, they might try to create a sort of outside room for smokers by lifting the roof a few inches off the top line of bricks.

Sounds class! See, those are the pubs that will thrive, but its totally unfair on smaller pubs that just cant afford or have no room for that kind of upgrade.

 

[Chilly]

How about I buy a second house, and my mates can come and they can invite their mates, I'll have beer and stuff which they can pay me back for and they can smoke.

it's not a buisness though, i just have a party each evening and since its on private property everyone can smoke if they want.

money for beer needs a license no matter how you spin it

 

[Calaen]

Well a few months ago the Wetherspoons pub in the Metrocentre banned smoking from its pub. it was always full before the stopped it and its always full since they stopped it. Some people will not eat where peopl ecan smoke I believe thats why its just as full people will now go and eat knowing thy can do so without the smoking going on around them.

I remember eating out at an indian restaurant with my wife and this couple started smoking next to us, I could have probably dealt with normal smokes but the dude was puffing on a cigar and the chick had some stinking vanilla rollies

I left the restaurant without finishing my order.

Pubs without food no complaints about people smoking, where food is concerned I agree with the ban.

 

[old.user4556]

Just looking at the attitudes of some of the guys here that are against the ban, I have come to the conclusion that the Daily Mail is an even worse rag than I imagined.

Not only is it full of political bias, but apparently it rots your brain and gives you Torret's Syndrome. And let's be honest, the guys who I'm talking about here (you know who you are) don't hate Blair, they hate authority.

And has anybody else noticed that the majority of the pissed idiots that start the fights outside pubs are also <gasp> smokers? Mind you, that may just be at my local, which has almost a 100% smoker clientele as no-one else wants to cut through the poison to get to the 'public' bar.

Bring on the ban! You want to smoke do it in your own house... kill yourself and your own family. Ahhh, but so many smokers are THAT selfish, they'd rather ignore the health issues and enjoy their fags. 'My kids are the most important thing in my life' they bleat, as they stub out another cancer stick. Not only are their kids gonna smoke passively day in day out, but they are in all liklihood going to emulate their parents and start smoking themselves... yay! Well done mum and dad, you just knocked 10 years off your kid's life.. aren't you proud!

Smoking kills, as does passive smoking - fact!

Stow your childish whines that 'cars and lorries kill too - ban them!' - it's a pathetic and impractical argument.

'But it's my CHOICE.. I live in a FREE WORLD... I hate the 'NANNY STATE'.. I have the RIGHT to CHOOSE to smoke...'

Wake up. You live in a democracy. You don't have the 'right' to kill someone with a shotgun. You don't have 'any' right other than the right's you are granted BY that democracy.. the point about democracy is that you have a voice in deciding what your rights should be.. Well, the democracy has spoken, and you no longer have the 'right' to smoke in public places.

Deal with it, or go find a more suitable democracy for yourself.

A final word to all those that are genuinely trying to give up, especially the 'social smokers'. Good luck, I think this ban will definitely help you kick the habit, and the fact you are attempting to quit has got to make you view the ban as a good thing.

At last, a decent post on this thread of hype filled utter drivel.

Jeez (i'm sure it was Gaff that pointed out the irrelevance of stats, good man), I bet google took some pounding as everyone went on a statistic witch hunt to say "LOOK HOW BAD THIS'LL BE" / "LOOK HOW GOOD THIS'LL BE". How about, we suck it and see?

Living in Scotland, i'll let you know how it goes in a months time. The local Wetherspoons has banned smoking since last year, and it's busy as it always is on a Friday night. They have a dedicated outdoor canopy with heaters for those wanting a fag - it seems popular, but not busy. Chicago Rock over the road (it's actually indoor, part of a complex) which is like Hard Rock Cafe is smoking still - i don't see everyone running over there because Wetherspoons is non-smoking?

The bottom line is, smoking is horrificly bad for you and its removal from public areas is nothing but the best thing for health reasons (i'm sure you all know that ).

 

[old.user4556]

Well a few months ago the Wetherspoons pub in the Metrocentre banned smoking from its pub. it was always full before the stopped it and its always full since they stopped it.

Hehe, that's what i said in my previous post - it's still just as busy .

 

[Calaen]

Hehe, that's what i said in my previous post - it's still just as busy .

yus you gotta laugh at the smokers getting interviewed saying omg ill just stay in and not go out ever again.

 

[old.user4556]

I might add that although it doesn't affect a non-smoker such as myself (and I welcome the ban with open arms and a raging erection), it affects some of my mates who are smokers (so it indirectly affects me)

But they don't scream "OMG, IM STAYING IN, FUCK THAT, NHS, TAX, LABOUR ETC, NAZISM", they don't say "i'm not going there, i can't smoke" - they just pop outside along with everyone else for a quick smoke.

Big wow? I really don't see the problem. Don't knock the ban until you've tried to live with it (like i have).

 

[Aada]

Im all for it, its really fucking annoying going to the pub for a pint and walking away smelling like ive just smoked 40 fags in 20mins its fucking disgusting.

I'm well known amongst friends that also don't smoke to walk up to some wanker whos smoking in a none smoking section and give him the mouthful of his/her life smokers are just ignorant as long as they get that fag they couldn't care if the world was ending.

We were having a discussion at work today about this and the smokers actually think the none smokers should be made to go outside and drink rather then sit in where they smoke.. i laughed in their face and said ''yep that proves my theorey smokers are ignorant'' i got some funny looks but they all know i don't give a fuck.

 

[Chilly]

Im all for it, its really fucking annoying going to the pub for a pint and walking away smelling like ive just smoked 40 fags in 20mins its fucking disgusting.

I'm well known amongst friends that also don't smoke to walk up to some wanker whos smoking in a none smoking section and give him the mouthful of his/her life smokers are just ignorant as long as they get that fag they couldn't care if the world was ending.

We were having a discussion at work today about this and the smokers actually think the none smokers should be made to go outside and drink rather then sit in where they smoke.. i laughed in their face and said ''yep that proves my theorey smokers are ignorant'' i got some funny looks but they all know i don't give a fuck.

Precisely aada - the burden of moving is always placed on the party that is actually doing something. If you want to smoke you move to where you are allowed, not force non smokers (who are doing nothing) to go outside/other room etc.

 

[rynnor]

If Pubs/Clubs had ever really made a decent stab at providing proper non-smoking areas this ban would never have made it.

Instead many pubs relied on a sign to prevent smoke from wafting through to the non-smoker areas. Its particularly bad in restaurants - one minute your peacefully enjoying a decent meal the next your swamped in second hand smoke and your food tastes like crap.

Other pubs used ridiculous extractor fans and other gear - the fact that you'd need the equivalent of a fumes cupboard to ensure the stuff didnt spread to the rest of the pub...

Personally I see this as an employment issue - pub staff dont deserve to be killed by other peoples second hand smoke just because of their job.

 

[Chilly]

If Pubs/Clubs had ever really made a decent stab at providing proper non-smoking areas this ban would never have made it.

Instead many pubs relied on a sign to prevent smoke from wafting through to the non-smoker areas. Its particularly bad in restaurants - one minute your peacefully enjoying a decent meal the next your swamped in second hand smoke and your food tastes like crap.

Other pubs used ridiculous extractor fans and other gear - the fact that you'd need the equivalent of a fumes cupboard to ensure the stuff didnt spread to the rest of the pub...

Personally I see this as an employment issue - pub staff dont deserve to be killed by other peoples second hand smoke just because of their job.

To be fair a lot of pubs operate on margins that arnt that beefy - so having to spend £15,000* installing some aircon/ventillation system is hardly going to be top of the list of "what can we do with this £15,000"

*£15,000 is an educated guess at how much an average aircon system in a average pub might cost.

 

[Bodhi]

Ooooh yaaaay my clothes won't stink of smoke after a night out now, now I'll be able to be a proper skanky bastard and wear em again before washing!!

I have news for you folks, if "1 fag" is enough to make your clothes stink, then I'd get used to the idea of having smelly clothes if I were you, cos I wouldn;t expect any of those crowds of smokers you see standing outside pub doorways having a fag to blow their smoke away from you on the way in.

Fucking nanny state bullshit, this is the worst idea ever.