Smoking banned in all pubs/clubs

[Moo]

as a semi non-smoker i say:

fuck tony blair who promised no full smoking ban in last election's manifesto

fuck nazi government

smoking should not be banned in pubs, fucking non-smoker nazi fucks.

 

[Moo]

"Ban smoking in public places, some scientists have unrelyable evidence that second hand smoke causes cancer!!"

So why not:

"Ban driving everywhere since I have a higher chance of being hit by a car and dying than contracting a terminal disease from second hand smoke"


Some non-smokers need to have a fucking fag so mabye they can relax.

 

[JingleBells]

Fuck you, addicts

 

[JingleBells]

My opinion is:
By all means enjoy your cancer sticks, but please don't fill the air around my precious pint with tar and shite (which is quite literally what is in a cigarette nowadays), stressed out, take some deep breaths then!

 

[Tom]

Well seeing as we're all being sweary, fuck you all. You smell of death.

 

[JBP|]

He you people do make laugh.

To those that bleat about thier "air" being polluted by cigarrette smoke, i ask what about cars lorries and busses? these have a far higher impact on your air than cigarrettes.


As for revenue implications it is believed that if the sale of cigarrettes was totally banned then income tax would need to rise by 10% to cover that loss of revenue.


Btw i gave up smoking 8 months ago and will never smoke again.

 

[WPKenny]

I'm glad smoking will soon be banned.

As for the people going on about cars poluting the air around you, well the thing is cars actually perform a useful function whereas smoking doesn't help anyone.

 

[Athena]

Since moving to Spain I’ve experienced the ban over here (came into place Jan 1st) – to be quite honest very little changed. (mind you smoking in Spain is widely acceptable and not frowned upon) Many café/restaurant businesses that chose to implement the ban have experienced a drop in customer numbers – 2 places I know of are considering lifting the ban they imposed.
I’m a smoker myself and whilst I’m not defending my kind I think businesses should have a choice, either to completely ban smoking on their premises or to provide adequate facilities for smokers.

 

[Lazarus]

I'm glad I wont come out of pubs stinking of smoke, or have to inhale smoke when this comes into effect. However I really wouldnt mind too much if it didnt happen. It's my choice to go into pubs and clubs, and I know there is going to be smokers there.

What I feel would be better is a ban on smoking in public places where there is no choice, all workplaces, shopping centers, even high streets. They should also look at improving non-smoking areas in pubs and clubs. Why have non-smoking areas at the back of pubs? Why make non-smokers walk through the smoke? Better ventilation would be helpful as well. It's common sense which a lot of pubs, clubs and even restaurants dont seem to be able to grasp.

what ive heard (and the guy from Ireland might concur) that instead of comping out of pubs and clubs stinking of smoke, youll come out stinking of other peoples BO. The smoke previously covered up that smell.

As for me, a smoker, the ban is welcome - wont bother me too much

 

[WPKenny]

About the whole tax/nhs thing. You think all those smokers will suddenly be pocketing upwards of 10 quid a day due to them not smoking? Nope they'll spend the money some other way It probably won't be on things that are quite as highly taxed but I'm sure the fact 2bn (using figures quoted above) pounds won't be needed on smoking related illness any more will help things.

Smoking is one of those things that should never have been allowed in the first place.

"Hey Mr Blair, I've got this great new thing for people to try! What they do is get some dried out leaves, roll them into a stick and then burn them. It creates loads of smoke, fucks your lungs up and smells so bad everyone in the same room will be able to stink of it well into the following day. What do you say?"

"Hmmm, mini-fires inside eh? Lots of stinking smoke eh? Long and short term effects on people's health eh? Good idea!"

 

[DaGaffer]

About the whole tax/nhs thing. You think all those smokers will suddenly be pocketing upwards of 10 quid a day due to them not smoking? Nope they'll spend the money some other way It probably won't be on things that are quite as highly taxed but I'm sure the fact 2bn (using figures quoted above) pounds won't be needed on smoking related illness any more will help things.

Smoking is one of those things that should never have been allowed in the first place.

"Hey Mr Blair, I've got this great new thing for people to try! What they do is get some dried out leaves, roll them into a stick and then burn them. It creates loads of smoke, fucks your lungs up and smells so bad everyone in the same room will be able to stink of it well into the following day. What do you say?"

"Hmmm, mini-fires inside eh? Lots of stinking smoke eh? Long and short term effects on people's health eh? Good idea!"

Actually, that's pretty much what happened. James I was the first ruler in Britain to have to deal with the new fad of smoking and he hated it for all the reasons you said, and tried to get it banned (smoking was banned at Court), but because smoking is intrinsically cool (God I miss my cigarettes) everyone ignored him.

Despite having given up, I still hate this, yet another erosion of civil liberties. Has any government in British history banned so much?

Oh, and WPKenny, your maths are rubbish.

 

[WPKenny]

Oh, and WPKenny, your maths are rubbish.

What maths? Do you mean me saying cigs cost approx 5 quid a packet and so a 40 a day habit will set you back a tenner? Bare in mind the price will continue to go up and up.

If you mean the whole tax thing, think about it long term. It will all balance out.

 

[DaGaffer]

What maths? Do you mean me saying cigs cost approx 5 quid a packet and so a 40 a day habit will set you back a tenner? Bare in mind the price will continue to go up and up.

If you mean the whole tax thing, think about it long term. It will all balance out.

No it won't. Or at least not until we're all too dead to care. You're automatically assuming people will stop smoking and magically not get cancer because of the ban; they won't. You'll see a continued decline in smoking which was already happening anyway and the NHS will continue to deal with the aging population already in the system. However, smoking will decline, but the substitute tax income will be nothing like the amount gained on cigarette duty (unless everyone just switches that money to booze, which would probably be even worse in NHS cost terms), so the Chancellor will have to look around for other things to tax. Smokers may have made your clothes smell, but they kept your taxes down too.

 

[Trem]

If I didn't smoke I would give my money to Al Quida*, let Blair put that in his pipe and fucking well smoke it.

I would say they should ban alcohol in clubs and pubs, that causes more damage and cost to the cities and people than smoking would ever do. Alcohol is too accepted nowadays and people just don't realise the cost it causes. If its being done for our good by big brother(Blair) then surely alcohol is the worst of the 2 evils. Neeeeeeeever gonna happen.

My dad smoked at least 40 Benny Hedgehogs a day and he also drank a shitload. Guess which of those 2 killed him at 59?























*spend it on pies.

 

[Gef]

I've smoked for years, never amazingly heavily, have the odd one at work and at home with a bottle of wine. But having a ciggarette in the pub with a pint is one of lifes little joys, the two go hand in hand. People wont quit though, some may, but a lot of people will just simply choose not to go out. Maybe the government want people to stay at home and enjoy their beer and ciggarettes around their familys instead.

My local is a real student pub and has a decent semi-covered garden, which i'm sure will end up being more full than the pub itself. I forsee all the pubs with decent gardens and patio heaters becoming the real popular places to go.

Smaller community pubs will close down by the hundreds, bar staff will lose their jobs, beer prices will go up due to slower sales, taxes will go up due to less ciggarette sales. But on the plus side you wont smell of smoke the next morning eh..

 

[Trem]

I can see lots of trouble happening when the bouncers try to chuck out a bricklayer from Scunthorpe for having a ciggie in his local.

This will cause more fights than anything.

 

[Calaen]

now i will make it my business to blow smoke in the face of every non smoker i can find.

You my friend are a penis. Lets hope we never have the pleasure of meeting. I would hate to spend a couple of nights locked up for knocking you the fuck out.

On a side note I dont really care whether or not people smoke in pubs, pubs/restaurants should install proper kit to extract the smoke from the smokers areas if the were that bothered about the smoke.
I have never smoked in my life but the choice is mine.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well...i personally have a different view on this all.

You can no longer offer a lady a light for her smoke.

You can no longer get strange women come up toyou and ask for cigs.

You can no longer have a cig when there's an akward "quiet" moment in chatting someone up.

I'm telling you, sexis taking a major hit in this.

 

[DaGaffer]

All this stuff about how people will avoid going to pubs, there will be more fights etc. is exactly what people have said about every country where the ban has been introduced. Hasn't really happened though, in exactly the same way there wasn't blood running in the gutters when they brought in the new licencing laws.

Oh and Trem, please don't talk about banning booze, even in jest. Because you do realise of course that it will be the next target. There are people in the world who won't be happy until the world fits their vegan-chemical-free bicycle-powered vision of utopia, and a lot of them are in government.

 

[Trem]

Too many people in goverment are alcoholics for that to happen and I bet the real PM(Cherie Blair) likes her G+T far too much.

 

[RandomBastard]

All you smokers are going on and on about "lifes little joys" in relation to cigarettes and how the world will end because of this, ok so thats an exageration but your all pretty much coming up with some outlandish predications.

The thing is passive smoking is a problem and what right did you have to impose this on others in public places. This is what the ban is about. I have a right to enjoy my pint without smoke around me, I've smoked in the past and they don't relax you thats all in your head, they're just horrible tarry sticks that your brain becomes addicted to.

I personally think that if pubs provided a room for smokers away from everybody else (after all you choose to smoke so you should be the ones segregated) with proper ventilation to get rid of smoke then the ban wouldnt be needed, but pubs wont so it is.

Oh and I really don't think the ban will change much, people will either ignore it, or they will move on to another addiction.

 

[Trem]

I have never really been a drinker, I started about 2 years ago and I have now quit it again. I have a problem with your sick on the pavement, I have a problem with the smashed phone boxes and the smashed skulls that drinking causes, I have a problem with my council tax being higher to pay for the damage drink causes. I don't want it banned though.

I think the anti smokers are quite aggressive about their views on smoking yet the anti alcoholers(!) seem to be quite happy to let you carry on as you are.

I am quite sure the fumes from vehicles will damage your body more than second hand smoke, infact has it even been proven that second hand smoke damages anybody?

Like I said earlier I hate that I smoke and I intend to quit shortly, but thats my choice as is not drinking, I don't need an angry anti smoker telling me what to do, hell, that will make me smoke twice as much.

 

[DaGaffer]

All you smokers are going on and on about "lifes little joys" in relation to cigarettes and how the world will end because of this, ok so thats an exageration but your all pretty much coming up with some outlandish predications.

The thing is passive smoking is a problem and what right did you have to impose this on others in public places. This is what the ban is about. I have a right to enjoy my pint without smoke around me, I've smoked in the past and they don't relax you thats all in your head, they're just horrible tarry sticks that your brain becomes addicted to.

I personally think that if pubs provided a room for smokers away from everybody else (after all you choose to smoke so you should be the ones segregated) with proper ventilation to get rid of smoke then the ban wouldnt be needed, but pubs wont so it is.

While I stand by my belief that the ban won't ultimately stop people going to the pub, there's been an interesting 'experiment' going on in my local recently; they made half the pub non-smoking "in anticipation of the ban" as they put it on the chalkboard. Guess what? The smoking half is routinely full, the non-smoking half is routinely empty.

 

[Gef]

The ban in Ireland cut pub trade down by 20%, the one in New York was almost 30%. There are going to be casualties, and like I said before the pubs with no decent outdoor facilities are going the be the first to suffer..

 

[DaGaffer]

The ban in Ireland cut pub trade down by 20%, the one in New York was almost 30%. There are going to be casualties, and like I said before the pubs with no decent outdoor facilities are going the be the first to suffer..

You know what? I'm not going to debate the potential drop in trade with you; I've just had a two minute google and found three different figures for the Irish drop in trade (none as big as your 20% btw), two different ones for New York, and figures for New Zealand that flatly contradict each other (as in 'no drop'/'big drop'), because everyone's screwing with the stats to prove their agenda. One thing I have noticed; the cigarette vending machine market in the UK is worth over £1bn a year, almost all of it through pubs and clubs. How much does the loss of vending machines contribute to the loss of revenue? It may be that there are no fewer people, they just have one less thing to spend their money on...

 

[TdC]

To those that bleat about thier "air" being polluted by cigarrette smoke, i ask what about cars lorries and busses? these have a far higher impact on your air than cigarrettes.

yeah JBP me old mate, next time I stand in a small enclosed space with a car with a running engine you bet I'm going to bitch about it. before I die :/

 

[TdC]

Like I said earlier I hate that I smoke and I intend to quit shortly, but thats my choice as is not drinking, I don't need an angry anti smoker telling me what to do, hell, that will make me smoke twice as much.

don't gripe about it Trem matey, just quit. if you like, drop me a pm. I quit yonks ago and am well pleased.

 

[mank!]

i agree with trem personally, i fully understand that many people find smoking a disgusting habit but if they let that ruin their night out then i think they need to get their head checked. i've got a bigger problem with binge drinking, i enjoy a pint but i know my limits and i'm also aware that i have a tendency to get a bit violent when i drink too much, so i make sure i control myself. however, every weekend all over the country you get pissed up lads who can't handle their beer beating the shit out of some poor fucker who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. i don't see mr blair doing much about that.

i'm going to ireland in the summer so will experience this myself sooner rather than later, but i imagine once the ban is imposed i will quit as i'm far too lazy to go outside for a fag.

 

[ECA]

To those that bleat about thier "air" being polluted by cigarrette smoke, i ask what about cars lorries and busses? these have a far higher impact on your air than cigarrettes.

I don't need to wash my clothes after a night out because a car drove past.
I do need to wash my clothes after some cock lit up in a restaurant, making my clothes reek and my food taste of shit.

 

[Gef]

You know what? I'm not going to debate the potential drop in trade with you; I've just had a two minute google and found three different figures for the Irish drop in trade (none as big as your 20% btw)

Your right of course, statistics are useless without all the corresponding arguments. I was really just trying to point out that this isnt going to be a painless transition, a lot of people are going lose their jobs whichever way you look at it.

FYI: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4385512.stm

"Trade organisations in Ireland say many pubs have lost around 20% of their trade following the ban, and jobs have been lost as a result.

Pubs in remote rural areas, or city centre bars where there's no outside space for smokers are said to have suffered most."

And of course we all know the Beeb are an infalable source of information!