smokers

[TdC]

indeed, I agree you only get half the facts, however I stick to my main point that is more or less if whatever you're doing is making you feel bad then you should have a good hard think about what you're up to. I never said smoking would kill you, I said I noticed smoking was doing bad things to me. Sometimes there was nothing more enjoyable to me as a cigarette (or feeding my monkey, if you will), but I still quit.

 

[old.Tohtori]

indeed, I agree you only get half the facts, however I stick to my main point that is more or less if whatever you're doing is making you feel bad then you should have a good hard think about what you're up to. I never said smoking would kill you, I said I noticed smoking was doing bad things to me. Sometimes there was nothing more enjoyable to me as a cigarette (or feeding my monkey, if you will), but I still quit.

Exactly and i think we agree.

If beating yourself in the nuts is making you hurt, you should stop or get into S&M porn industry.

If smoking makes you grasp your chest and call for any god out there, every time you breathe out, then you should stop.

Very personal and as such, i don't get anti-smokers. Bunch of meddling twats in my mind.

 

[old.user4556]

In this day, I absolutely don't understand why people smoke.

However, I won't preach to smokers about how disastrous it is to their health. It's patronising and it falls on deaf ears anyway.

 

[Jupitus]

In this day, I absolutely don't understand why people smoke.

However, I won't preach to smokers about how disastrous it is to their health. It's patronising and it falls on deaf ears anyway.

Very true - smokers know damned well the health dangers and continue regardless... national no smoking day? Let me just light up another...

I just stopped, btw

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Never been a smoker, couldn't understand the addiction to it. Actually tried to get myself addicted to see how easy/hard it would be to quit (yes i realise the idiocy of that now and knew it then too).

Couldn't do it, smoked about 10 a day for around six months and ended up packing it in simply because i had no particular craving to have one, still don't understand the addictive side of nicotine even though all my friends appear to smoke and my mum smoked for a good 40 years before giving it up (she still has pangs but they get ignored thankfully).

Guess it's just one of those things i'm not supposed to get 0o

 

[ford prefect]

Personally I have smoked for sixteen years, and I enjoy it.

Sadly we currently live in a socienty which seems to have to have something to moan about, and the government though smokers would be a fairly safe bet to redirect critism from things like uneccesary wars ect. Shame they haven't taken into account that the NHS will fall apart within the next 20 years from taxes lost from pushing people into not smoking (smokers paid £19,000 per minute in tax in the UK in 2001), but I suppose that is a problem for another day, and seemingly another government judging from recent polls.

As for emphysema, it's actually around 15 - 20 % of smokers that will eventually suffer from the disease. So no, it isn't a healthy past time, but then neither is drinking or well eating anything that tastes of anything.

 

[ECA]

Personally I have smoked for sixteen years, and I enjoy it.

Sadly we currently live in a socienty which seems to have to have something to moan about, and the government though smokers would be a fairly safe bet to redirect critism from things like uneccesary wars ect. Shame they haven't taken into account that the NHS will fall apart within the next 20 years from taxes lost from pushing people into not smoking (smokers paid £19,000 per minute in tax in the UK in 2001), but I suppose that is a problem for another day, and seemingly another government judging from recent polls.

As for emphysema, it's actually around 15 - 20 % of smokers that will eventually suffer from the disease. So no, it isn't a healthy past time, but then neither is drinking or well eating anything that tastes of anything.

Yeah because smokers dont cost the NHS far more than they contribute at all.
No you should be free to shorten your lifespan, and others for a few minutes of pleasure.

Look, why dont you write me a cheque for £5000, I'll make sure you get a great blowjob from a sexy hooker, and then I'll shoot you in the head. It'll save time and money in the long run.

 

[Nate]

sexy

Did you burn the spotted dick again tris?

 

[ford prefect]

Yeah because smokers dont cost the NHS far more than they contribute at all.
No you should be free to shorten your lifespan, and others for a few minutes of pleasure.

Look, why dont you write me a cheque for £5000, I'll make sure you get a great blowjob from a sexy hooker, and then I'll shoot you in the head. It'll save time and money in the long run.

Actually in 2001, for every £1 that smokers cost the NHS, they put £3.71 into it according to an independant economic survey undertaken by FOREST, so no, smokers don't cost the NHS much at all, in fact we fund it. The NHS simply wouldn't exist if it wasn't for taxes gained from smokers.

 

[old.user4556]

The NHS simply wouldn't exist if it wasn't for taxes gained from smokers.

Perhaps it would exist in a semi-private guise more akin to the US' health care system, which may not be a bad idea.

Where does the £8bil from tobacco taxation go anyway? Perhaps they spend it on a government think tank on how to tax the motorist further, and a new department to administer it .

Yeah because smokers dont cost the NHS far more than they contribute at all.

Think you should check your figures. Last figures I heard were smokers cost the NHS ~£1.7bil a year with tobacco taxation income at ~£8bil.

 

[Munkey]

Tbh, smoking is one of the few pleasures that I still enjoy in this life, whether its cigarettes or sheesha. Do I know its harmful? Yes, but then so is almost everything I do in life.

I enjoy my lifestyle, I like lighting up and having a quiet moment to myself, and I love the noise that it makes when you draw in.

*sigh*

Will I give it up one day? Yes, but only when it no longer becomes enjoyable.

 

[Edmond]

I used to work with a guy who smoked at least 50 a day, he was forever coughing his guts up, especially 1st thing in the morning, his family had a hereditary history of strokes and emphysema due to smoking, his father had had 3 strokes and was wired up to oxygen 24/7 and still managed to smoke 10 a day????? and he'd been like that for about 15 years

About 2 years ago he decided to give up, and after never suffering i'll health due to smoking, suddenly went down hill over night. they found a hiatus hernia (think thats right) in his chest, which was a build up of knotted tissue and was releasing acid which kept him off work for weeks at a time, which used to totally screw up my days as i was booking his work in and it was me getting it in the neck from the customers cos i was forever having to cancel jobs. He has been on so many different tablets to combat it, but just as they start to work it seems he becomes immune to them and its back to square one

They now tell him they have found signs of cancer in his stomach and the only way to remove the hernia is to crack open his chest to get to it because the tablets are not doing anything anymore, putting him out of work for 6 months. He wishes he had never given up

I have no problem if people want to smoke, but i do find it hard to sypathise when all the problems start and it fucks everything up for everyone else, and they give it the 'poor me' story

Sorry but you know the risks, its not like its a big revelation that these things will eventually kill you and harm your kids too when they are breathing in all the smoke

 

[old.user4556]

You're wasting your time with anecdotes.

For every non-smoker story of "I know someone who had a tragic gurgling death" there is an equivalent pro-smoker story of "I know someone who smoked 40 a day for 80 years and died by being hit by lightning whilst fucking their 10th wife at the age of 105".

 

[rynnor]

They ought to send the guys on the iron lung/permanent oxygen or with vocal cords removed round to the local primary schools - that would cut out a few smokers - prevention being far better than cure.

 

[Embattle]

The thing is, i smoke, because i wan't to smoke and i find the "you will die for sure because of it!" as scaremongering.

I always find these sort of statements retarded but I guess you are welcome to smelling like an ash tray, it's your choice but at the end of the day as long as it only affects you I guess that really is your choice.

I should also point out that tax information that appeared was utterly flawed regarding the amount smoking generates vs the amount spent on it, the expense side of it was limited to very few sources. What is even more ironic is that people use the fact it doesn't supposedly cost as much to the NHS as it generates in taxes for justification of continuing their dirty habbit.

 

[Edmond]

You're wasting your time with anecdotes.

For every non-smoker story of "I know someone who had a tragic gurgling death" there is an equivalent pro-smoker story of "I know someone who smoked 40 a day for 80 years and died by being hit by lightning whilst fucking their 10th wife at the age of 105".

Yes, i agree. My grandad smoked all his life from the age of about 13 apparently, and lived to be 80. he didn't die from a smoking related illness

My point was that the guy i worked with knew the pros and cons cos he had seen it first hand, and now that he is ill from it, he thinks he is the first person ever to be in his position and expects the sympathy vote

As i said before though, i do not have a problem with people smoking, i am not an anti-smoker, a lot of my friends smoke, but if you live by the sword.......

 

[old.Tohtori]

I always find these sort of statements retarded but I guess you are welcome to smelling like an ash tray, it's your choice but at the end of the day as long as it only affects you I guess that really is your choice.

Yes i am. That's the whole f*cking point.

I'm not oigng around throwing feces on vegetarians 'cause i find killing veggies inhumane, nor am i going around making sucking noises to non-smokers(which by the way is the appropriate noise to make for a *cough cough* complaint).

People do a load of more things that make 'em smell, but i don't complain. But if i light up, oh my gods i killed ten kittens, eat babies and suck male members according to the non-smokers united.

I'm just waiting for the day when they come after meat or some such thing every whiney non-smoker enjoys...

 

[Trem]

I always find these sort of statements retarded but I guess you are welcome to smelling like an ash tray, it's your choice but at the end of the day as long as it only affects you I guess that really is your choice.

I should also point out that tax information that appeared was utterly flawed regarding the amount smoking generates vs the amount spent on it, the expense side of it was limited to very few sources. What is even more ironic is that people use the fact it doesn't supposedly cost as much to the NHS as it generates in taxes for justification of continuing their dirty habbit.

I would like to see how much drinkers cost the NHS, I bet tobacco tax covers them as well.

 

[mycenae]

Obviously this thread has raised some issues as well as some tempers. Its riled me slightly as well.
I personally don't have an issue with people who smoke per se. I'm not going to preach at them or whine. I DO however have a problem with people who smoke and out me in a situation where I have to inhale it. It doesn't just make me cough...it makes my eyes sting, my throat hurt and I smell really horrible. One of these people is my mum.....when I go to her house, she smokes, indoors....she's allowed to, its her house. But she doesn't (and never has) take the blindest bit of notice of how it may effect other people. For example, she'll smoke in the car when I am in it, and moan when I open a window. I barely ever say anything to her, because her answering retort is...'you're fat, thats just as dangerous.' Needless to say, we've had this discussion/argument countless times, so I've given up.
I wouldn;t mind so much, only she had a lung cancer scare late last year. They found a shadow on a chest xray, and she freaked. Stopped cold turkey, went around telling everyone about it and how she had stopped once and for all, and actually even became sanctimonious about it, telling other smokers how stupid they were being. But what did she do the moment she has the all clear? Had a fag. Stupid woman. And now she's smokes at least a packet a day again. Especially daft seeing as her mother died of emphysema and pleurisy, which she witnessed first hand.

Smokers know all the risks, its kinda hard not to. If people want to smoke, thats fine, just don't make me breathe it in and don't moan when you die from lung cancer....just as I won't moan when I get type 2 diabetes.

 

[Trem]

I don't smoke in the house, theres my son and Samm hates smoking as well but apart from that it does make the house stink.

I don't smoke anywhere near Samm or my son or anyone if I know they don't smoke. I even blow the smoke away from these people.

I just wish other people considered my feelings just as much, if you drink too much (I drink btw) try and puke in the gutter or in a bush. If you are so desperate to shag your manky bird then at least put the condom down a grid afterwards. If you must eat that fried egg sandwich please do it with your mouth shut and for fucks sake wipe the fucking yoke off your chin. If you must do 90mph up my road in your uber Saxo please don't do it after 1am. Man next door : if you must cut your hedges please don't do it at 10pm.......

The list could go on, you need to decide if its the inconsiderate smokers that are the problem or just inconsiderate people. If they weren't blowing smoke in your face they would be doing something else that was inconsiderate.

 

[nath]

I just wish other people considered my feelings just as much, if you drink too much (I drink btw) try and puke in the gutter or in a bush. If you are so desperate to shag your manky bird then at least put the condom down a grid afterwards. If you must eat that fried egg sandwich please do it with your mouth shut and for fucks sake wipe the fucking yoke off your chin. If you must do 90mph up my road in your uber Saxo please don't do it after 1am. Man next door : if you must cut your hedges please don't do it at 10pm.......

The list could go on, you need to decide if its the inconsiderate smokers that are the problem or just inconsiderate people. If they weren't blowing smoke in your face they would be doing something else that was inconsiderate.

You must spread around some more rep before giving it to trem.

This is why I hate the vast majority of people on this planet. No one seems to have a fucking clue that they're not the centre of the universe. It never ceases to amaze me the stupidity and lack of consideration people have for others.

 

[old.user4556]

I agree with Nath.

There are some utter fuckwits that have moved in beside me in a property that is to let. Not that I want to be a classist twat, but they wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise since they're splitting the rent three ways. They have absolutely no respect in that they throw rubbish from their windows, leave big mounds of dog shit everywhere, rev their car in and out at silly o'clock. They need the electric chair, and fast.

Rant, sorry.

 

[Trem]

You must spread around some more rep before giving it to trem.

.

Thank you.

 

[mycenae]

G, I'm all for fuckwits like those you describe receiving the punishment you suggest.....sadly, I don't think its got a hope in hell of it happening!

 

[nath]

Thank you.

Not at all.

 

[Scouse]

Actually in 2001, for every £1 that smokers cost the NHS, they put £3.71 into it according to an independant economic survey undertaken by FOREST

I'm late and have been staying out of this but ho-de-triple-ho!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I usually like to say, when someone tells me to "stop smoking you're killing yourself", that ok, i will, if i get to arbitrarily choose one thing they enjoy and they will quit that.

9 out of 10, they won't go for it.

 

[Will]

But if I gave you a blindfold and said 'ok cross the road' would you take that risk? That's pretty much the choice we are making when we light up...

That's a rather silly comparison.

It is actually a great comparison, but not for the reason Jup meant it. People struggle with long term consequences of actions, especially when compared to a short term reward. Crossing the road with a blindfold on has short term death risk, compared with no obvious long term reward. Smoking is the reverse of this. As is the lottery.

I'd throw in a comment about climate change, but that would totally destroy this thread.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes, but short term death risk with possibility of no reward is silly, short term reward with long term death risk may seem silly, but it's very much less silly.

Like i said, comparing should be done with "here's a blindfold now cross the road and i'll give you a blowjob", or some such.

 

[Will]

Thats still a poor comparison. You'd have to cross the road in 30 years time. And a blowjob and a ciggie aren't exactly on the same level of gain.