smokers

[tris-]

i was a smoker for 5 years and quit the regular habbit. only latley have i taken it up again when im on the booze.
what i want to know is why do people smoke when persistent heavy smoking will
cause emphysema? i think its possibly the worst way you could die, but smokers apparently do not care. gradually you cannot breath and end up on a machine, but in the end you will suffocate to death.

people are paying to kill them selves. obviously its not my business to stop them but i would like to know why they do it when basically they are paying to die earlier.

 

[Mey]

Smoking is so much apart of my daily routine that it just seems so normal, I wish I could quit but I've yet to find a way that is best for me. Maybe during the summer months when I start to go climbing outdoors more.

 

[tris-]

doesnt the fear of emphysema and other lung disease make you want to quit? you will get some kind of lung disease if you continue to smoke heavily.

personally i quit because i didnt enjoy it. so all i had to do was not smoke anymore and that was it. i can smoke on a night out and not be bothered to have another one at any other time.

sexy

 

[Mey]

TBH I worry quite alot about my health but for some reason it still doesn't seem to put me off wanting to smoke. When I do try and quit again I will probably go for one of those inhaler type things. As it seems to me that the actually act of doing it is what I'll miss the most.

 

[tris-]

worry quite alot about my health but for some reason it still doesn't seem to put me off wanting to smoke.

do you not think that is odd? youd prefer to pay money to die early, than quit for the sake of your health.

even though i was a smoker i still cannot understand it. i do want to understand why, it is interesting.

 

[Trem]

I quit for a while but it made me a bit mental.

I was close to leaving Samm and tried everything to cause an argument so I could storm off and have a ciggie.

I worry about my health more than the money, I worry about dying and leaving my son but I still light up about 15 times a day.

Its called brainwashing.

 

[Jupitus]

Trem - I am betting you have read:

Amazon.co.uk: Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking (Allen Carrs Easy Way): Allen Carr: Books

It IS brainsawhing, combined with an addiction to the single most addictive drug, Nicotine.

Nicotine is fast acting. Within just a few seconds of inhaling a cigarette, fresh nicotine is in your bloodstream and into your brain. Similarly, it will leave your system (mostly) within about 30 minutes of putting a cigarette out.... this is why most heavy smokers will smoke about 30 or so a day.

Inhalers don't work. If you stop through using one it is more despite than because of it. Trying to stop using 'cutting down' or nicotine replacement only serves to prolong the drug's grip on a person.

The book I linked is amazing. Allen Carr's method is based on the idea of keeping you smoking whilst you read the book, and systematically analyse and break down all the brainwashing that years of advertising and conditioning have instilled in the smoker's head. This means that the smoker doesn't have to suffer any withdrawal during the complex phase of stopping, and leaves just the adjustment to not smoking when the book is finished.

I stopped using that book a while ago. I, foolishly, did not follow his instructions to the letter and became hooked again, but this morning (by coincidence) I will be reading the last few chapters and stopping again.

I would recommend, to anyone who smokes, that they read the book regardless of whether they want to stop.... if after reading it you choose to carry on, then fine, what have you got to lose? There are only gains to be made.

Read the book. Trust me. Read it.

 

[Frizz]

Best thing I ever did was quit.

When you quit, you realise just how much it stinks. Going into a pub or club these days is so much better without that awful haze of tar.

 

[Jupitus]

Best thing I ever did was quit.

When you quit, you realise just how much it stinks. Going into a pub or club these days is so much better without that awful haze of tar.

Yep - within just a few days of stopping your senses start to recover, and it's awesome.

Nicotine in it's pure form would kill you instantly if you injected it. When we are teenagers we think 'I'll try one' and it's disgusting... so disguting in fact the teenage tryer is re-assured they could never get hooked on something so awful, so they aren't as scared of it as they rightly should be. We cough, sometimes puke, as our bodies react and try to tell us 'this is poisoning me', and then we have to train ourselves to cope with it if we continue... by then it is too late, of course. We persist and train ourselves to cope with the symptoms of it, purely because of the brainwashing and nicotine addiction.

It wouldn't actually be as bad if I took the £300+ out of my account on payday and put it on the bonfire instead

 

[old.Tohtori]

The thing is, i smoke, because i wan't to smoke and i find the "you will die for sure because of it!" as scaremongering.

Probably won't. I'm a diabetic so the chances of me(since i'm no zealot in that department) living until(if ever) i get some smoker deseace are rather small anyway.

Not to mention smoking MIGHT kill, it doesn't simply kill.

But the main fact is, i like smoking, i enjoy it, i might replace it, but why should i?

I've smoked for 15 years now, 10-13/day, sometimes less, sometimes more, and last time i got checked, i had nothing wrong.

To tris- personally:

Remember when i said that you'll probably become one of those "ex smokers" anti-smoke brigade members, that are worse then the never-smokie type? Careful...this is a step in the wrong direction.

 

[Frizz]

Tohtori, do you know anyone with Emphysema? Or Lung Cancer? Or any other disease associated with smoking?

Because I can assure you, that it's not a pleasant way to go.

Do you think you're not going to fall ill(er) at some stage if you don't quit?

Strange attitude if you think "Eh, I'm going to die anyway so might as well hurry it up, eh!"

I know it's your choice and you're most likely already aware of the health risks, but it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Furr]

I quit too, had been a smoker for 8 years. Was part of a grand lifestyle change, eating well, regular gym etc.

Its taken me a huge amount of goes, and I used the nicotine lozenges at first to stop me from puffing, then weaned myself off those. I"m happier for it, Also can't stand the smell of smoking now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tohtori, do you know anyone with Emphysema? Or Lung Cancer? Or any other disease associated with smoking?

Because I can assure you, that it's not a pleasant way to go.

Do you think you're not going to fall ill(er) at some stage if you don't quit?

Strange attitude if you think "Eh, I'm going to die anyway so might as well hurry it up, eh!"

I know it's your choice and you're most likely already aware of the health risks, but it just doesn't make sense.

No i don't know anyone, not single one, and i know smokers, old and young. Ofcourse it's not a pleasant way to go, but neither is getting hit by a bus. You got he way you go, if you go.

I think there's a possibility to fall ill(er), but there's a possibility i won't, cigarette wise that is. There's also a chance to get cancer from car pollution, or peanutcancer from squirrels, or get this from that. I'm not gonna let the fear and scaremongering of those who don't, keep me from doing what i do.

If some day i get bored of smoking, then ill quit.

If has nothing to do with "speeding things up", i meant i'll probably die from what i got before i get something what i die from.

And if we start throwing deseace cards out there, people die more of non-smoking deseaces then smoking deseaces...so...you're kinda f*cked from birth.

And yes, know the healthrisks. Also know how much my meat eating causes global warming(pfft), how much me not recycling destroyes the earth, how much my soda drinking destroys my immune system and how much i'm at danger of DYING because i have alcohol and the list goes on and on...on everything.

 

[Tom]

Find it quite funny when people say they enjoy smoking.

Actually you enjoy the relief smoking gives you from the cravings your body suffers. And if you enjoy the act of smoking (ie putting a cigarette to your lips) then you're just vain. Let's face it, vanity is the only reason you started anyway.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Find it quite funny when people say they enjoy smoking.

Actually you enjoy the relief smoking gives you from the cravings your body suffers. And if you enjoy the act of smoking (ie putting a cigarette to your lips) then you're just vain. Let's face it, vanity is the only reason you started anyway.

I find it quite funny when people assume such things. Have you smoked? If not, you don't know what it can give.

I actually like the taste of a cigarette, the act as a "pause from things" etc, many things. Sure it may be from cravings too, but hell, isn't everything.

I didn't start because of vanity, i started because of curiosity. I never ever thought "smoking is cool" or anything like that.

Also find it quite funny how a lot of anti-smokers are weed smokers and/or do things that could be judged, but, gee wiz, i don't.

 

[Mabs]

Find it quite funny when people say they enjoy smoking.

Actually you enjoy the relief smoking gives you from the cravings your body suffers. And if you enjoy the act of smoking (ie putting a cigarette to your lips) then you're just vain. Let's face it, vanity is the only reason you started anyway.

while you may have a point...

how is that different from people drinking ?

 

[tris-]

Remember when i said that you'll probably become one of those "ex smokers" anti-smoke brigade members, that are worse then the never-smokie type? Careful...this is a step in the wrong direction.

no its not. im trying to fathom why people do something knowing the risks like these.

 

[Mabs]

for the record i was a 25-40 a day man about 5 years ago, quit , again, last year, after about 8 years on and off

and if you want to quit - cold turkey
fuck off with books, guides, patches, just DO IT

 

[old.Tohtori]

no its not. im trying to fathom why people do something knowing the risks like these.

Yes i know, just warning

But that's a good point and one i was about to post.

(this point on, you means anyone)
People like to ride bikes, they might die because of it.
People skydive, they most certainly could die from it.
Also on a vanity issue, it could be judged on everything. Weed, bikes, skydiving, exercise.
Every single thing we do has risks in it, but the better question is, why do you care about if other people do something?

And no the NHS argument isn't valid as if someone paid for everything cause by their smoking, you'd still find a problem with it.

 

[TdC]

and if you want to quit - cold turkey
fuck off with books, guides, patches, just DO IT

I agree with Mabs. Tis the way I also managed it. It wasn't easy, but after a surprisingly short amount of time you feel so different/better it's just amazing: food tastes better, you have no idea how much you stank before, running up a flight of stairs becomes easy, no more early morning hacking fest at the kitchen table, I could go on forever!

 

[Trem]

And no the NHS argument isn't valid as if someone paid for everything cause by their smoking, you'd still find a problem with it.

It isn't valid because the tax on tobacco pays for the treatment received by smokers many times over. I think the tax makes about 3 times more revenue than the smokers cost.

 

[Jupitus]

and if you want to quit - cold turkey
fuck off with books, guides, patches, just DO IT

I agree with one exception... Allen Carr's book. It really does help you focus on the gains and lack of losses quitting brings, and prepares you for the withdrawal period.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I agree with Mabs. Tis the way I also managed it. It wasn't easy, but after a surprisingly short amount of time you feel so different/better it's just amazing: food tastes better, you have no idea how much you stank before, running up a flight of stairs becomes easy, no more early morning hacking fest at the kitchen table, I could go on forever!

This is kinda my point for it being rather individual and not ALL become hacking, coughing, flem spewing cancerzombies.

I can run a flight of stairs, heck run for a good while, ofcourse i'm out of breath but that's just 'cause i'm not fit, i'm a bit fat and i'm out of shape in all aspects of the definition of the word.

Half the time i don't even want to smell everything around me, especially in bars where the aroma of smoke has been replaced by a plethora of miexd drinks staining the tables, walls, floor and ceiling, piss sweat and other bodily fluids, read previous placement, that waf around the room like, well, to borrow a line from diablo 2 "the smell of death surrounds us!".

I can agree that tastebuds might become more vivid, but that could bite me in the a** too. What if i don't like garlic anymore? And i enjoy garlic. And going down on the missus(if i had one), at times, could use a bit of tastebud numbing to be honest.

If i had to place myself in a category, as people love to do these days withevery f*cking thing, I'm a heavymetal long haired same jeans wearing moshmachine, or a retrosexual even, who, as you might guess, showers maybe once a month(year) and the jeans i'm wearing have seen cleaner days when they were a bag of dung holders in the 1860s. I don't appeal to people by my aroma, so me not smoking might enhance this "non appeal".

I had a point, but i got to rambling, that it's very situational and smoking isn't for everyone, but for christ sake(and all the other PC correct persons of holy books) let people smoke if they enjoy it

It isn't valid because the tax on tobacco pays for the treatment received by smokers many times over. I think the tax makes about 3 times more revenue than the smokers cost.

Well yes that too, but i didn't want to be too rude

 

[Jupitus]

No i don't know anyone, not single one, and i know smokers, old and young. Ofcourse it's not a pleasant way to go, but neither is getting hit by a bus. You got he way you go, if you go.

But if I gave you a blindfold and said 'ok cross the road' would you take that risk? That's pretty much the choice we are making when we light up...

 

[old.Tohtori]

But if I gave you a blindfold and said 'ok cross the road' would you take that risk? That's pretty much the choice we are making when we light up...

That's a rather silly comparison.

If you drive a car, couldn't it be said the same thing? The boogieman of carcrash by lunatic driver, is out there, and millions and millions of people die every second(making up statistics is fun) on the roads. So, you're taking that chance every day you start up.

Oh by the way the correct question would be:

"There's a nymfomaniac cheerleader squad on the other side of the road, but you have to cross the road with this blindfold on"

 

[Agrigo]

tbh i recently started smoking (as in about 6-7 months ago) and it all started while having one while drinking... id be fucked if i was going to keep the seats while ppl went out.

anyhows one thing led to another and started to smoke while not drinking, sure as toh says you might or might not develop a disease, but you might or might not be hit with a bus, but for me the main reason i smoke is for breaks,like now im taking 10-15 mins off writing my thesis and and went for a smoke, I associate smoking with time off, it relaxes me (and not just from the nicotine) and lets me get away for a few mins, if i didn't smoke id jsut sit down and get well bored!

As for the health issues, I know there there, i know that this and that can happen, but ill be fucked if i stop just to satasify someone else, if i feel bad one day and dont want to smoke i wont, has happened a few days in a row, I guess its also a case of the >it wont happen to me< syndrome.

But what gets me realy riled up is the whole anti smoking thing, I get that people dont like smoke blown in their face, and im all for the whole no smoking inside (been here in Ireland for quite some while). I don't hurt anyone, i smoke away from people who dont and would consider it horrible if i did blow smoke into someones face, hell i even apologise when a gust of wind does it! but on the whole i dont hurt anyone but myself, and why should someone have the right to tell me how I should or shouldn't live my life! If anything that attitude will keep me smoking longer just to show that I don't want or accept that attitude!

Anyhows, good luck to everyone here and back to the thesis :<
/Brian

 

[gohan]

i dont smoke


but im against the smoking ban


pubs now smell of sweat and stale ale, and circulating farts


i was against the ban from before it happened, i agree ban in restruants ect but in pubs/clubs its was expeceted.

anyway if you want to smoke smoke!

look at the oldest people alive the 107 years olds ect that smoke 5 cigars a day and drink a bottle of whiskey


all the health risks are bullshit u might get cancer, you might not, lifes a lottery be lucky

 

[TdC]

pubs now smell of sweat and stale ale, and circulating farts

recently been on a trip to Edinburgh and tbh the pubs nearly all smelt amazingly fresh and clean compared to Dutch pubs, though the people standing outside looking miserable while having a smoke just looked silly.

tbh I quit smoking because I could notice it affecting me. Toh may be able to run a flight of stairs, but I couldn't do that any more just before I quit. Heck, I couldn't even blow out a candle without launching into a coughing fit. So I quit. (and gained 25kg o0)

all the health risks are bullshit u might get cancer, you might not, lifes a lottery be lucky

certainly. however, you can't compare old people who've smoked and drank all their lives and lived to be 300 with people now imo. Sure, you'll hear the odd story about some old gaffer (sorry Gaffer) who smoked six packs and drank 10 pints a day, and still had enough wind at 93 to give the old lady a good seeing to, but perhaps you should wonder how many of those people there are vs. how many people are dead/ill. Anyway I digress, my point is that if you feel ill effects then you'd best be wondering what is causing it and change your life accordingly. You claim life is a lottery, but I claim you can modify your chances within certain margins thus you certainly won't see me running about in a field during a thunderstorm holding a golf club based on the large chance I won't get hit.

 

[gohan]

You claim life is a lottery, but I claim you can modify your chances within certain margins thus you certainly won't see me running about in a field during a thunderstorm holding a golf club based on the large chance I won't get hit.

nor me


but mainly cos id be cold and wet rather than scared of being hit by lightning

 

[old.Tohtori]

though the people standing outside looking miserable while having a smoke just looked silly.

certainly. however, you can't compare old people who've smoked and drank all their lives and lived to be 300 with people now imo. Sure, you'll hear the odd story about some old gaffer (sorry Gaffer) who smoked six packs and drank 10 pints a day, and still had enough wind at 93 to give the old lady a good seeing to, but perhaps you should wonder how many of those people there are vs. how many people are dead/ill. Anyway I digress, my point is that if you feel ill effects then you'd best be wondering what is causing it and change your life accordingly. You claim life is a lottery, but I claim you can modify your chances within certain margins thus you certainly won't see me running about in a field during a thunderstorm holding a golf club based on the large chance I won't get hit.

HAve to comment on the first part, that you should add to the equation the miserable non-smoking people inside watching over 10 pints and thirty chairs because someone has to stay behind

Anyhoo, back on the topic of filling yourself with nasty produce.

Or rather, your point in the "heard stories". I think this is true, you heard the odd "93 year old survives after smoking a cigarette factory pipe every day and drinking wine made from death itself", but then again on the other side, you only hear about how "this and this many people will die because of smoking", while they "accidentally" leave out the fact of how many smokers won't die.

I mean "accidentally", as much as EA Sports hasn't brought out anything new in their games "accidentally" since the 1995 collection.