Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Scouse, Mar 17, 2020.

  1. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    We complete on Friday. Money is with the lawyers. Just need to sort out insurance. :)

    Then architects, builders, plumbers, roofers, electricians, stonemasons, groundworks experts, sewarage experts, dry stone wallers, arborists and make friends with the local farmer (which might just be the most important relationship outside my o/h for the next twenty years). :(

    SO, smart homes.

    I'm thinking of just giving in and nesting the fucker right up. 2 x Google nest thermostats, the smart nest smoke/CO alarm system (3x), probably need 3x outdoor cameras to go along with the smart doorbell.

    Maybe even just go all-in and get the google nest mesh wifi thing to ensure the house is covered (this is all presuming I can even get broadband in Wales, ofc)

    Unless you tell me that I'm being fucking stupid. What should I be considering as an alternative?

    Because of the remoteness and the possibility of break-ins at remote properties I'd like to be at least recording the face of the fucker I could do absolutely nothing about whilst he ransacks my house (and steals my sheep) full in the knowledge that the only po-po in Wales are probably 2 miles, yet 30 minutes away.

    If I do decide to go full "spy on me please, American company I already don't trust, despite carrying Android in my pocket" - anyone know the cheapest way to buy this lot job-lot?

    I think the first buy would be smart smoke detectors - the wire-in kind, though they wouldn't be wired-in at first (I think they can run for a while on 3 backup batteries). So at least I'd be meeting the demands of the home insurance whilst I decide how the fuck I'm going to afford the remodelling.

    BTW - out of work in 10 days too :(
  2. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    We've got a couple of Nest indoor cameras, loads of Hue bulbs and ourbevil overloads Google running it all, and whilst there's no doubt cheaper ways of doing it, it is remarkably stress free and easy to use. It passes the wife test with flying colours, and is great for checking for deliveries, keeping an eye on the cat, automating lights etc.

    Not the cheapest, and Nest are a bit cheeky in asking another was of cash to keep recordings from the cameras, but otherwise can't fault it.

    Going to add the smoke alarms and thermostat one day, but we're focusing on buying the house they're going to be attached to first :)
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber


    I'm wondering whether to bother getting broadband setup now and doing the whole camera thing - will be useful for whilst I want to check on builders are actually doing stuff whilst I'm away. I suspect my broadband will be slow as shite though out in the sticks.

    Gah. I guess I might as well go all-in now and get it ordered.

    Anyone got nest Wi-Fi? Reckon it's worth it? - it'll be like having google home mini's around the house I suppose - but that wouldn't replace a proper speaker setup, so it's weirdly actually off-putting.
  4. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Why do you need 2 Nest Thermostats?
  5. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    Redundancy, you are underestimating the importance of being able to adjust your heating while you're not there.
  6. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    You can do that with 1 nest thermostat. 2 seems to be completely unnecessary
  7. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    Both things are unnecessary...twas a joke.

    I fit them all the time, I guess theyre a part of a home system so no big deal except just more things to go wrong with your heating.
  8. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    You can zone your house - so heating at different levels in different places at different times of day.

    I probably won't though, given the size of the property. If the heating (whatever that will be) is on, it'll be pretty much on all over.
  9. Moriath

    Moriath I am a FH squatter

    Mostly one thermostate and a number of rad valves. So you adjust room by room on the rads
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    As Moriath says I would just have a thermostat on each rad so you can adjust there.
    It's up to you but seems like a waste of money to me.

    Also if you want some cameras the Blink XT2 are pretty good.

    View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07M98TLCK/ref=twister_B07N8RRVG2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
    • Like Like x 1
  11. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Yes sure. I have mine on a setting depending on how warm I like each room and they have remained that way for years without the need for multiple smart thermostats.

    It's then set and stays that way. From my point of view this would only be needed in a large house or multiple flats with very varied temp requirements.
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber


    But like I said - I won't be zoning. House is too small. (At least not at first).

    But if you have smart thermostatic valves on your rads you could, for example, keep two bedrooms permanently colder until they're needed. Managed centrally or by what passes for "AI" that could potentially add up to a decent carbon saving. (Though you'd have to factor in the carbon footprint of your thermostats).
  14. Moriath

    Moriath I am a FH squatter

    They are wifi smart rad valves so you set them up for certain conditions and one button sets to your whim. More control than two zones.
  15. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    • Funny Funny x 1
  16. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    So what's cheaper? n x wifi thermostats and one nest, or two nests?
  17. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

  18. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Well a Nest Thermostat is about £220.
    Wifi Radiator Valves approx £40 to £60 each.

    You get a lot more control with the rad valves than you would with a general thermostat.
  19. caLLous

    caLLous I am a FH squatter

    Just go with underfloor and have per-room control from the boiler/thermostat/app.
  20. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    This is one of the reasons I haven't bought one of these things yet (Google snoopery is another). In theory I already have a two zone setup (actually three zones), but its not "smart" and has a horrible UX, so I'd be adding a Nest (or Hive) purely for ease of use, but I also don't think I need individual room controllability; I don't live in Blenheim Palace for fucks' sake, upstairs and downstairs would be fine. I don't really see much benefit in smart lights (not at current prices) and I already have a decent alarm. We have one of those Ring Bells (Amazon snoopery doesn't bother me outside the house) but I'm struggling to see any compelling reason to bring it all together.

    I guess no-one has really convinced me of the Smart Home use case yet.
  21. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    Indoor cameras?


    What about... you know... wanking?
    • Funny Funny x 2
  22. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Well yes this was my point. If you're in a "small" house you probably just need standard "dumb" controllable rad valves. Set them at a comfortable temp for that room and leave them alone.
    Having upstairs and downstairs zones does not make much sense to me if you have individual rad settings already.

    I have a Nest Thermostat and it's learned when I want the heating on and when I don't. I've not once had the need to control the upstairs zone seperately
  23. Moriath

    Moriath I am a FH squatter

    I have a hive thermo. Not controlled by google just thrpugh the hive app. I dont need smart lights. Its not hard to flick a switch tbh.
  24. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    They don't learn (not smart) and require individual setup.

    With nest it'll keep the house at a temperature consistent with maximum efficiency based around whether you're in or not - and if it's zoned, further efficiency based on which bits of the house you're using.

    If you link it in to the smoke detectors I think you can use IFFT to turn on your rads if you walk into a cold room.
  25. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Yes i have a Nest thermostat. But usually the most efficient is to have some heat in the room as leaving it ice cold uses more energy to then get it to a comfortable temperature.

    Its your money so you do what you feel is best.
    Personally I think it's a waste.
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2020
  26. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    May not be possible.

    It might also not be possible to get workmen out in the current coronavirus climate :(
  27. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    I'm not going to spend much yet. I'm here for ideas :)

    I do think double thermostat would be overkill in the house anyway. Also - I wouldn't be keeping any room ice cold. (Tbh, I don't think it'd be possible!)
  28. MYstIC G

    MYstIC G Official Licensed Lump of Coal™ Distributor Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

  29. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    I have actually - they look pretty goid.

    But I think disparate non-joined up smart systems would be a recipe for annoyance tbh. Apple stuff is a nightmare by the looks of things - but that's to be expected from a company that doesn't even let you use standard cables.
  30. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    I think it depends, our Hue and Nest stuff plays together pretty well, and can all be controlled by our many Google overlords.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.