Should I buy a gamecube?

[dunny_dunny]

"FYI, the both the Xbox and the Gamecube are doing poorly in sales. Technically the Xbox is doing worse because MS loses rather a lot of money for every console sold, which they are not making back from title sales."

Chi are we basing this arguement on sales or personal opinion? Because if its not the latter then its like saying the Spice Girls or indeed Gina G were relatively good. I too owned a Dreamcast when they were around and it had some great titles but it was its lack of adverstisement and massmarket appeal which led to its eventual downfall. The Gamecude offers quality titles again and again without having the huuuuuge financial backing of Microsoft or Sony.

 

[katt!]

the only games worth playing on console = rpgs and fighters.

and the best ones are on ps2.

end of discussion.

 

[dunny_dunny]

"the only games worth playing on console = rpgs and fighters.

and the best ones are on ps2.

end of discussion"


Yeh nice one....TWAT.

 

[chi_]

I was referring to this comment:

Originally posted by old.job
PS2/XBOX appeals to the lowbrows, that's why they sell so well, most people fit that description these days.

I never said anything about the quality of a console being related to its' market appeal.

 

[chi_]

Originally posted by [AoP]Abra
pso online with shoddy 56k modem is the best i can get atm , may change in the future hopefully though.

I used to play PSO on a 33.6k, it was fine

 

[~Clarky~]

the only games worth playing on console = rpgs and fighters.

and the best ones are on ps2.

end of discussion.

i think you will actually find that the best rpg's appeared on the snes

And as for fighters, id prolly have to aim more towards the dreamcast.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by [AoP]Abra
i think you will actually find that the best rpg's appeared on the snes

yes most did, but i dont think there are any new ones in development now

 

[~Clarky~]

well actually, a good proportation are being ported over to the gba sp ( whilst not new though ).

I see 1 decent rpg for the ps2 - ffx , which was some-what poor in comparisons to previous attempts ( but hell it was nice to look at ).

Add the truly over-hyped (imo) ffx-2, and xeonsaga, there are some good rpg's yes , but most never see the light of day in Europe/America.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by [AoP]Abra
well actually, a good proportation are being ported over to the gba sp ( whilst not new though ).

I see 1 decent rpg for the ps2 - ffx , which was some-what poor in comparisons to previous attempts ( but hell it was nice to look at ).

Add the truly over-hyped (imo) ffx-2, and xeonsaga, there are some good rpg's yes , but most never see the light of day in Europe/America.

and it still is better than anything for gamecube xbox etc ;/

grandia 2 for dreamcast was pretty good though

 

[chi_]

Originally posted by katt!
and it still is better than anything for gamecube xbox etc ;/

grandia 2 for dreamcast was pretty good though

That is the ONLY game I have missing from my DC collection. I wish I'd bought it back when it was it was still available in retail now Maybe I'll be able to find a cd image of it somewhere, at least I hope so.

 

[~Clarky~]

yeah. the days of the dc rule , still love me version of skies of arcadia, givf dc back

 

[Nichneven]

only good game on the gamecube imo is Bloody Roar: Primal Fury

 

[old.job]

Chi, you stated that GTA isn't that adult.

FFS what do you think of as adult?

Murdering police officers, gang warfare, prostitution, car theft.

Haven't seen too many Ladybird books covering those topics.

When I say lowbrow, I'm not referring to the difficulty of the game.
I'm making a statement about certain people's attraction to the more basic desires in life.

People who just wanna shoot guards in the head from 6 miles away with a plasma sniper rifle and watch the blood shoot out, and have them squirm around as they die.

People who fast-forward to the penetration scenes in pornos.

People who love reality shows, and take great pleasure in other peoples discomfort/humiliation or despair.

 

[chi_]

Originally posted by old.job
Chi, you stated that GTA isn't that adult.

FFS what do you think of as adult?

Murdering police officers, gang warfare, prostitution, car theft.

Haven't seen too many Ladybird books covering those topics.

I don't really view GTA as being that adult, it isn't massively violent and over the top. I think it deserves an 18 rating, otherwise the outcry over it would have been even worse, but I very much doubt it would actually have any effect on the average child. I see a game or film as being adult when it has such power that it would actually change the person viewing it, and I doubt many people have used prostitutes and then ran them over in their car as a result of GTA.

Originally posted by old.job
When I say lowbrow, I'm not referring to the difficulty of the game.
I'm making a statement about certain people's attraction to the more basic desires in life.

People who just wanna shoot guards in the head from 6 miles away with a plasma sniper rifle and watch the blood shoot out, and have them squirm around as they die.

People who fast-forward to the penetration scenes in pornos.

People who love reality shows, and take great pleasure in other peoples discomfort/humiliation or despair.

Neither was I. If you'd read my reply, you'd realise that Nintendo consoles would most likely be identical to the PS2/Xbox in the violence/"adult themes" their respective games contain if it wasn't for NQC. Nintendo have mainly aimed their console towards children, and the parents who will buy it. Which console would you expect the average middle-class parents to buy for their eight year old's birthday. The one you'd ready about in the Daily Mail with all the guns and violence, or the one in the shop with all the colourful smiley pictures on the packaging?

Either way, even with NQC, you cannot judge a console as being "lowbrow" simply by one or two games. You could say that, in Nintendo's desperate attempts to lose the kiddy image which is costing them so much market share, they have turned the GC "lowbrow" also. I mean, the GC has RE, doesn't it?

 

[Nichneven]

Originally posted by chi_
I don't really view GTA as being that adult, it isn't massively violent and over the top. I think it deserves an 18 rating, otherwise the outcry over it would have been even worse, but I very much doubt it would actually have any effect on the average child. I see a game or film as being adult when it has such power that it would actually change the person viewing it, and I doubt many people have used prostitutes and then ran them over in their car as a result of GTA

Yeah there's some merit to what you wrote there. I don't think any kid playing GTA is going to go find a hooker and then shoot her in the head, but that's not the point of the controversy. In the game you get a reward for violent behavior - money, etc. The fact that you get rewarded for those kinds of actions is what teaches children the wrong sorts of values. It positively reinforces behavior that is socially unacceptable and just downright wrong. Maybe they won't steal cars or deal drugs as a result, but they most likely will get the impression that hurting people to get what they want with minimal consequence is OK.

People who think this way will most likely end up successfully at the top and utterly alone for the rest of their days.

Do you have any children?

 

[Nichneven]

Originally posted by chi_
I don't really view GTA as being that adult, it isn't massively violent and over the top. I think it deserves an 18 rating, otherwise the outcry over it would have been even worse, but I very much doubt it would actually have any effect on the average child. I see a game or film as being adult when it has such power that it would actually change the person viewing it, and I doubt many people have used prostitutes and then ran them over in their car as a result of GTA

Yeah there's some merit to what you wrote there. I don't think any kid playing GTA is going to go find a hooker and then shoot her in the head, but that's not the point of the controversy. In the game you get a reward for violent behavior - money, etc. The fact that you get rewarded for those kinds of actions is what teaches children the wrong sorts of values. It positively reinforces behavior that is socially unacceptable and just downright wrong. Maybe they won't steal cars or deal drugs as a result, but they most likely will get the impression that hurting people to get what they want with minimal consequence is OK.

People who think this way will most likely end up successfully at the top and utterly alone for the rest of their days.

Do you have any children?

 

[chi_]

Originally posted by Nichneven
Yeah there's some merit to what you wrote there. I don't think any kid playing GTA is going to go find a hooker and then shoot her in the head, but that's not the point of the controversy. In the game you get a reward for violent behavior - money, etc. The fact that you get rewarded for those kinds of actions is what teaches children the wrong sorts of values. It positively reinforces behavior that is socially unacceptable and just downright wrong. Maybe they won't steal cars or deal drugs as a result, but they most likely will get the impression that hurting people to get what they want with minimal consequence is OK.

People who think this way will most likely end up successfully at the top and utterly alone for the rest of their days.

Do you have any children?

I don't really agree with this. I have no children, I am 16, and I would class myself as an average teenager. I have been..brought up, for lack of a better term, on games with "adult themes", games designed to shock and gain publicity from the controversy they cause, e.g. DN3D (and countless other FPS's), the GTA and RE series, etc. However I still have strong moral values. I believe this kind of hysteria about video-gaming and the supposed antisocial effects the media claim it enourages to be just that -- hysteria.

Most seem to think that children are far more impressionable by the collective arts than they truly are. I played the original GTA extensively several years back. I do not advocate violence or socially unacceptable behaviour. The majority of children recognise subconciously that video-games are just make-believe worlds, and they simply do not receive these imaginary messages which, I quote, "satanic" (Daily Mail) games are believed to implant in the player's brain. They will not end up violent, abusive, and selfish as a result of experiences in a fabricated world with fabricated people.

I can understand how parents would be apprehensive about video-gaming with all the controversy caused by such games, but I believe it unwarranted. Maybe if I did have children of my own, even the tiniest doubt that they would develop into psychopathic mass-murderers would dissuade me from letting my child enter into this area of entertainment, but then I wouldn't know.

 

[Glacier]

Originally posted by Exiled
buy a spoon and pop your eyes out, unless you like buying a console thats only real claim is Mario + zelda,

lol @ the friendly helping reply

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by Nichneven
Yeah there's some merit to what you wrote there. I don't think any kid playing GTA is going to go find a hooker and then shoot her in the head, but that's not the point of the controversy. In the game you get a reward for violent behavior - money, etc. The fact that you get rewarded for those kinds of actions is what teaches children the wrong sorts of values. It positively reinforces behavior that is socially unacceptable and just downright wrong. Maybe they won't steal cars or deal drugs as a result, but they most likely will get the impression that hurting people to get what they want with minimal consequence is OK.

People who think this way will most likely end up successfully at the top and utterly alone for the rest of their days.

Do you have any children?

Bad parents tend to blame their children going off the rails on this that and the other when the truth is much closer to home, and that they should look within themselves really. It is the parent's duty to teach the child right from wrong.

Also if a parent is worried about certain games affecting their child to such a degree perhaps they should not buy it/allow them to buy it in the first place.

 

[healer_mcheal]

have a pc, n64, have access to ps2, dreamcast, ps1, xbox, and played on saltys gc, the gc is ok, if u like the old nitendo games and that, ps2 rocks for role play games, like ffx, shadow hearts, legend of legia 2 etc, xbox has some nice fighting games, dc wasnt that bad, dead or alive 2 was ok, some of the rpgs was nice, but still, pc and a emu beats them all

 

[chi_]

Originally posted by healer_mcheal
have a pc, n64, have access to ps2, dreamcast, ps1, xbox, and played on saltys gc, the gc is ok, if u like the old nitendo games and that, ps2 rocks for role play games, like ffx, shadow hearts, legend of legia 2 etc, xbox has some nice fighting games, dc wasnt that bad, dead or alive 2 was ok, some of the rpgs was nice, but still, pc and a emu beats them all

Skies of Arcadia xDD

 

[~Clarky~]

call me kiddy .. but i just got Pokemon(sp?) Ruby on GBASP - 1st Pokemon game i played, quite fun tbh