Should he be charged or not?

[tris-]

imo both should be charged he may be ten but that is not acceptable but i dont think he should have been beaten with a iron bar, if it was me he did it id prob do what yaruar would have done.

why would you even do that though? i think its hillarious people get so wound up by something verbal. i couldnt care less if someone came and called me a smelly half caste bastard* or something, its words afterall. if someone shot a brick at me thats something different altogether, but words cause no injury at all.



*i am mixed race, and smelly sometimes, and a bastard :/

 

[SilverHood]

Meh, I doubt that what's being reported is the full story. Being a jolly foreigner in England since I was 13, I've had my fair share of abuse and then some more. Nothing anyone ever said to be would have warranted the shedding of blood though I was tempted to break a few bones at various times.

However, lets look at it from a totally different view: 10 year old Chav kid throws berry at woman. Chav hurls abuse at woman. Woman beats chav across the head with an iron bar.

Would we feel any differen about the sitiuation? I know I'd happily buy said woman a pint and thank for her contribution to the society we live in.

The race thing is just a sideline because kids these days have no manners. After all, if he hadn't throw the berry and told her to go home, would he have learnt a lesson?

 

[Bullitt]

What is the lesson he has learnt? This woman has now given him grounds for an even more tainted opinion....now they're not just in his country but beating people up with iron bars.

 

[throdgrain]

Ive tried to keep out of this thread a bit, because typing stuff you truly believe on the internet just to see others completely ignoring you is depressing, and all-too internet anyway

Anyhow.

(Not fucking anyhoo either, wankers )


When people emigrate to the USA, for example, they are mostly integrated, and expected to work for a lving. On the whole they seem to do that pretty well too, there are many many Muslims for example living the the states, but apart from the obvious one we dont see daily al-quaida attacks there.

I think thats because when people go to the states, they want to join in, for want of a better phrase. Notice how quickly they aquire US accents for a start.

Not so here.

People come here, and expect us to conform with them. I wont go mad with anti-immegrant stuff, some true some probably not so true, but out of 26000 "social houses" built last year, 10000 were given to immegrants. Whilst people born and bred here go without?

And before some of the people who were born fairly recently start about "only-fit-for-chav-mothers-at-17" type housing, 20 years ago LOADS of people had council houses, they were in the most part in decent areas , people were proud of them and perfectly happy. Not now its not, but could be more if we actually gave more of them to the people who live here.

Its not a personal thing, or an individual thing. Its an en masse issue that needs to be resolved. No-one really wants KKK lynching parties in the streets of any town now do they.

Most people have friends or know people from other races. Thats not the issue as much as the huge bloody huge influx of people from abroad who are percieved, sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly, as coming here , living in groups not speaking our language and not respecting our way of life, yet taking all the good bits like National Health and jobs and housing etc. Im sure it cant go on, or it will encourage a far right party to emerge.

As far as saying the country would grind to a halt without foreign workers, thats just regurgitated bollocks. What are you saying, who would build all the houses? Whats that, the houses we wouldnt need if there wernt so many immegrants?

For the last time, Im not anti all immigration. What I am against is the massive amounts of people, and the left wing telling us that somehow they're more important than us from thier lofty high towers, where there arnt any foreigners anyway.

When people come here, they should want to join us, not just take from us.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I find myself agreeing with throd more and more these days. I really am getting old

 

[Calaen]

What is the lesson he has learnt? This woman has now given him grounds for an even more tainted opinion....now they're not just in his country but beating people up with iron bars.

He has been shown to be careful what you say to people because you may not like their response. Whether or not he actually takes that on board is another matter.

 

[throdgrain]

I find myself agreeing with throd more and more these days. I really am getting old

lol aint we all mate, aint we all

 

[nath]

All that's well and good throd, but I don't really see what that has to do with a psycho-hose-beast beating up a little shitbag kid?

 

[throdgrain]

A fair point


Well, peoples perceptions are that we are getting over-run with immegrants. There's an issue in that area with immegrants, which has been in a way used by the gobby kid as an excuse for mouthing off.

Truth is, the kid would be a gobby fucker probably regardless of the issue.

But if the people wernt creating division in our country in the first place it wouldnt have happened. Most of us think what that kid actually said, I reckon.

It says a third of the kids at that school are Slovakian. Sorry but how can that be right? Like I said in my previous post, are they attempting to integrate? No.

So British people feel their whole way of life is being over-ruled, which results in silly episodes like this.

 

[yaruar]

I
And before some of the people who were born fairly recently start about "only-fit-for-chav-mothers-at-17" type housing, 20 years ago LOADS of people had council houses, they were in the most part in decent areas , people were proud of them and perfectly happy. Not now its not, but could be more if we actually gave more of them to the people who live here.

No, there are no council houses because Thatcher sold them all off on the cheap to buy votes from people who wouldn't traditionally vote conservative..... And then didn't give any money to buy any new ones.

+ you say again that they come here taking our jobs. well, maybe they do, but why haven't the 6 million people currently out of work taken those jobs first, mainly because they can't be arsed to work for low wages and get off their arses and gain some pride in themselves.

 

[nath]

are they attempting to integrate? No.

As far as I recall the only thing the article said was that the kids don't integrate, I don't think you can judge the Slovakian immigrants based on the fact that their kids are sticking together.

 

[Thadius]

As far as I recall the only thing the article said was that the kids don't integrate, I don't think you can judge the Slovakian immigrants based on the fact that their kids are sticking together.

Muslim children do the same thing, have been sticking together for years for protection. Then you get gangs of white kids and black kids stood in gangs to protect themselves and so it goes on and on. Tension rises, you get gang vs gang fighting, people end up getting stabbed.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Firstly throd, if you are going to argue against immigrants, you may wish to learn our language first There's no e in it

Secondly yuar - where on EARTH did you get a figure of 6million people unemployed in this country? That's higher than the dark days of the 80s...

 

[throdgrain]

No, there are no council houses because Thatcher sold them all off on the cheap to buy votes from people who wouldn't traditionally vote conservative..... And then didn't give any money to buy any new ones.


Who could argue that point? I cant recall saying any different though


+ you say again that they come here taking our jobs. well, maybe they do, but why haven't the 6 million people currently out of work taken those jobs first, mainly because they can't be arsed to work for low wages and get off their arses and gain some pride in themselves.

there will always be people unemployed. Again, I agree with you though to a point. This is really NOT the whole of my post though was it.

I have to say something here.

 

[throdgrain]

Firstly throd, if you are going to argue against immigrants, you may wish to learn our language first There's no e in it

Secondly yuar - where on EARTH did you get a figure of 6million people unemployed in this country? That's higher than the dark days of the 80s...

Shut up yer spelling nazi, Im feeling oppressed now Quite possibly a new law for Labour, spelling racism!!

Just cos sum ppl dont spell rite, y shud they be discriminted aginst? We want GRANTS!!!


PS I tell you where he got it from ,he made it up probably, thats where

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Of course he did. With 6million unemployed the country would be in a massive state. Made up statistics to win arguments... for the, err... win!!11

 

[throdgrain]

79% of statistics are made up on the spot !!

 

[yaruar]

Firstly throd, if you are going to argue against immigrants, you may wish to learn our language first There's no e in it

Secondly yuar - where on EARTH did you get a figure of 6million people unemployed in this country? That's higher than the dark days of the 80s...

actually it's 7.9 million economically inactive... not uncluding over 1.5 million officially unemployed...

One in four Britons is out of work - Telegraph

including 2 million on long term disability benefit, the majority of which are fully capable of working... And that's about the only time you will ever get me citing the torygraph.....

 

[throdgrain]

including 2 million on long term disability benefit, the majority of which are fully capable of working... And that's about the only time you will ever get me citing the torygraph.....

What, when it suits you? lmao

 

[Trem]

No, there are no council houses because Thatcher sold them all off on the cheap to buy votes from people who wouldn't traditionally vote conservative..... And then didn't give any money to buy any new ones.

Totally wrong I'm afraid.

Thatchers 'right to buy' is possibly one of the greatest political moves this country has witnessed.

What it did was to give the (traditionally) lower class a home of their own at a good price, possibly the only way they would ever have the chance to own one.

Thatcher stayed in power for so long because she had balls and everyone was sick of Scargill if thats all the other side had to offer (I know he wasn't but you know what I mean), she also stayed in power because we pwned the Argies....................sooooooo many more reasons to say why she stayed in power rather than the right to buy thing, if that were really true then she would never of started the poll tax which battered the lower class families.

 

[yaruar]

79% of statistics are made up on the spot !!

100% of people who say this don't understand research procedure

 

[yaruar]

What, when it suits you? lmao

well, there is always the official figures to back it up

National Statistics Online
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0907.pdf
shows 1.65 million officially unemployed and of the additional 8 million economically inactive apparantly 2 million would like a job.

Now for the really interesting stats to me... currently there are nearly 31.7 million jobs and over 650k vacancies, which bege the question, why are only 29 million people working..... and why don't some of the 3.6 million who aren't working but are either on the dole or wanting to work take some of the spare jobs... If there did there would be less need for migration

there are also a number of other non government based studies into the real levels of unemployment in this country which put it considerably higher than 1.6 million...

 

[yaruar]

Totally wrong I'm afraid.

Thatchers 'right to buy' is possibly one of the greatest political moves this country has witnessed.

What it did was to give the (traditionally) lower class a home of their own at a good price, possibly the only way they would ever have the chance to own one.

Well, yes it did, but it created a two tier society of those who could afford to buy and those who couldn't with no decent social housing any more (and it also created a huge stigma for those who had to have social housing) so that people on low incomes now don't have the option of cheap council housing and get shafted by private landlords (and councils do as well paying inflated prices to keep people in substandard B&B and rented accomodation)
+ properties were sold at criminally low prices, (my grandparents for instance paid a pittance for their council house) and even that money wasn't used to build more social housing.

 

[Trem]

But selling them for a pittance was the only way people could afford it and in the grand scheme of things it wasn't uber cheap at the time, I think about £20k for a three bed council house round by me, or it may of been £12k I forget now.

Basically if it wasn't for the right to buy Labour would be balls deep in shit by now. It gave the common people so much more than they could of ever dreamed.

By the way I aren't a Thatcher fan, I just recognize brains/balls when I see it. Its leadership that whether right or wrong we will never see again.

 

[GekuL]

Immigration is not really that big a deal as far as I'm concerned, but then I try not to read shit stirring news papers. A couple of my relatives read the Mail and are seething at immigration, despite the fact that they'd be lucky to see a single immigrant where they live - all their opinions on the subject are formed or supported by the Mail.

It says a third of the kids at that school are Slovakian. Sorry but how can that be right? Like I said in my previous post, are they attempting to integrate? No.

It does say "About a third of around 400 pupils at the school are believed to be Slovakian-born." But it's the Daily Mail quoting a 'believed' opinion, so it's simply not true. The Times says 32 of the 372 pupils are Slovakian. It's human nature for them to more easily form groups with those they have more in common with.

 

[throdgrain]

Some stupid responses so far I see.

 

[yaruar]

Some stupid responses so far I see.

you really shouldn't put yourself down so much :kissit:

 

[yaruar]

But selling them for a pittance was the only way people could afford it and in the grand scheme of things it wasn't uber cheap at the time, I think about £20k for a three bed council house round by me, or it may of been £12k I forget now.

Basically if it wasn't for the right to buy Labour would be balls deep in shit by now. It gave the common people so much more than they could of ever dreamed.

By the way I aren't a Thatcher fan, I just recognize brains/balls when I see it. Its leadership that whether right or wrong we will never see again.

But what about all the people who didn't buy or all those who now can't afford to buy houses, the people who 30 years ago would have been housed in council houses.

I don't have a problem with the whole right to buy, but they didn't create any new viable alternative so local government is now fucked as are the people on the lowest rings of society.

 

[Ch3tan]

If she had been here for 5 generations she'd be british, so no real problem. I just can't understand or possibly fathom that any half sane English person would consider beating a kid in such a way as a "suitable or effective" punishment.

Yes if she was british she would be scared to hit the child because children should not be punished in this country. It is not PC to discipline children when they have done wrong. That article is shite, I very much doubt he was beaten with a weapon. I think this country would be much better if people were not scared to knock some sense into kids when they do wrong.

 

[Kryten]

I agree. That is one of the single biggest factors, I think, into why we have such a high percentage of moronic chavs on the streets causing trouble - because there's no real discipline. And even if they do get a tickle from the police, it's only a tickle - and it many cases they're proud of having an ASBO or a caution, or bail.
It's a joke, it was never like this when I was that age.

But things change, society changes. The only thing that scares me, is what these morons are going to turn into in the future. The same people that could well be running this country.


"And in the change of government here in 2034, we welcome into power our new Prime Minister, Sir Wayne Smith. Wayne spent his youth beating grannies with sticks and throwing paving slabs off dual carraigeway bridges, before starting public secondary school where he was likely to attend only 2 lessons a week, yet spent a total of 8 months on suspension for constantly smoking dope and slapping the deputy head. He grew up to be a crack addict and father of 23 children, brought up on social security payments and didn't have to lift a finger for work."

Not likely, but the thought is always there, back of the mind.