Shamans the new smiteclerics?

[herjulf]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
YEAH lets whine about shamans

(blablabla blablabla)

shaman is oustanding coz hes nearly a real mage in not cloth armor,but i think he should be compared to friar or paladin and warden,well cant resist ments here coz he has nearly all dot-ments spells,and gives much more to grp

Shamans AE DoT are as hazardous as the Thane infestation.
breaking mezz. and making it impossible to remezz.

And oneshotting blues with a bolt well
He might have critted, yes shaman bolts do crit just as any other classes bolts however not nearly as often. And usually not even close to the mage class bolts.
And on a fella lvl42 to a 50 shaman..
we are talking bonus dmg here..

I have a 50 healer/skald and a shaman and how often have i not been nearly oneshotted by alb/hib mages. (class left out as i can only guess)
for 1100dmg or so.
And nuked for 890 dmg, standard nuke, not bolt.

I cant deny it shaman is a very enjoyable class to play, it is a support healer and buffs/end regen is a welcome addition to the "melee´" realm.
It has no "mezz", root it has but that only halts melee.

end regen whining part in post above...
You need to put 32 points to get grp end regen, only aug/mend aug/cave/mend shammies get that.
And those are not that common.
there are some.. yes.
but they tend to get respecced to cave in the end.

Shamans soloing oranges.
Oh yes it is possible, and doable however the battle tend to be very close almost every time.
If DoT doesnt stick.... well..

Having both a healer and shaman i must say, i enjoy the shaman more since my 47 pac healer.. is boring.
And i walk out of battles with greens with like.. 20% hp left with the healer.

While i have seen aug healers solo oranges aswell.

It is always the same, when some1 get owned, oh NERf they are sooo uber, they have no friggin idea what uber is.
until they have been cut to pieces by a pbaoe.
or a Llaw Aarian mini zerg, which is /respect.
Or 2 shotted by a unstealthed infil for 600dmg or so per hit.
spanked to submission by a friar with a blitzing staff dance for 500dmg +/- 100 per blow.

No nerf whine intended in that. However it is uber.
Some classes have some advantages to others, in the end it gets balanced.

In the beginning the Llaw Aarian 2fg mini zergs were feared, ppl learned to deal with them. they are now semi successfull.

Same goes for any class, they all have its counter part.

If shamans were so overpowered mythic would not have given shamans love to begin with.
they increased base dmg on shamans by a certain percentage, since they could not nearly compete in usefullness.

well... matters tend to balance out however, i am shure that in the end all classes have same stats 1 str, 1dex, 1con and wield pillows, in style free manors. doing 1 in dmg while the enemys dmg shield also does 1 in dmg in reverse so noone have to feel owned.

this way all is happy.... or?

 

[old.Sepiritz]

So basically shammies are runeys in chain just like clerics used to be wizards in chain, execept shammies can oneshot blues which clerics never could but clerics are the one that got smited by the nerf-hammer.
I suppose its all about popularity. If there were 100s of cave shammies running around piling up some kills there would be massive whinage and they would get nerfed.
Luckily theres not and the people enjoying their class can keep enjoying it, unlike clerics who have to respec to heal+buff slaves and put up with being completely put into the sidelines.
No, im not bitter.. at all.. cough.
And I just want to state again, im not crying nerf and im not saying theyre overpowered, im just intrigued and shocked by their bolts.
Shammy nukes can crit eh? Clerics cant.. Cool.

 

[Grandpeck]

Boo Hoo

Shamen bolts CANNOT crit.Shamen dot CANNOT crit unless ra wild arcana is bought.Boo Hoo so u got killed by a cave shamen by a nice bolt prolly the 41 cave spec with cant be spam cast and witch cant be cast for another 20secs just count ya self lucky it wasnt me dotting ya ass for 250+ what a shame-n u got wooped sorry but every1 knows that clerics where Grossly overpowered be4 just like pbaoe classes r now etc blah blah but get over it shamen have no qc no real defence ra abiltiy insta root is a rediculus 14 points bah u got owned by a shamen just do /release and come back thats what i have to do after being taken down by 2-3 ppl

Kio Poisonkiss 50 shamen Not some lameass stealthers buffbot

 

[vintervargen]

wajn

if i can oneshot a blue caster with a spec dd, cap at 698, a shammy should not be able to oneshot same caster with a specline 20 sec timer bolt?

omg shammy bolts are soooooooooooooooooooooooo overpowered, nerf nerf nerf!!!!11

 

[Sharp Thing]

smite clerics could solo 3 to 4ppl at a time, i wanna see a shaman do the same before you scream nerf

 

[Rollie_David]

i think this thread just shows how little some people actually know, shammies arent effected by piety acurity buffs unlike other realms dotters, there bolt AND dd are on 20 second timers until recently they were on the same timer which was weak. Shamans are not even in the same league as the old smite cleric, pre 1.51 smite cleric could solo 2 lv50 assasins with ease, id like to see a shaman solo 1, shammie have no instas of any kind for defence either and no stun. This post is just a result of some guy getting 1shotted for being too low then more albs posting rubbish, some of my favourite quotes from the mis-informed:

"So basically shammies are runeys in chain just like clerics used to be wizards"

yes our runies dd's are on 20 second timers also.........


"YEAH lets whine about shamans
why do they have also bolt and dd in cave line while ments only offence in mana line is dot?Why he also has good aoe root in that line?why they are matter and ments are energy?
why their regens become grp cast while ments dont??
why they can cast grp end regen in 1 cast and ment has to give mr to whole grp one by one?why do they have 7 tipes ofsingle hot while ments have 4?why do they have GRP hot!?and ment dont have it?
and why after all that pure dot caster can wear not shitty cloth armor,wear shield ,give blue/yellow buffs and res?

and more serious its not druid/cleric/shaman who u are to compare but
druid/cleric/healer
shaman is oustanding coz hes nearly a real mage in not cloth armor,but i think he should be compared to friar or paladin and warden,well cant resist ments here coz he has nearly all dot-ments spells,and gives much more to grp"

our shaman is the same "support" class as your warden and the alb friar except shamans only get 1.0 spec points, funny to see a hibby whine about a shammy when there support class is a chain wearing bubble machine that heals buffs gives resists and still can interupt casters with an all-be-it weak offence the shaman isnt comparable to the ment, they are totally different classes. I think both alb and mid could sit here and whine about hibby classes but we all know everyone knows there overpowered

 

[koskos]

lol any class can kill a shaman, its called F6 and /stick

and no shamans do not outnuke the main casters like smiteclerics
neither do they have stun or instant PBAoE mezz or INstant heals

the and the fact that CABALIST dots hit for TWICE that of a shaman should speak for itselves....

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Irony is lost on some people.

Well, if clerics are/were wizards in chain, then shammies certainly are runeys in chain (regarding their bolts).
(My point being, clerics never where, it was just a unique combination of abilities that would have been nerfed enough with the resist-magic system, temporary invulnerabilities, RA's, etc, but they nerfed the values on everything under the title smite and added the resist system at the same time, resulting in a double-nerf..)

What other chain-wearer can oneshot a bluecon with a distance attack then a shammie? I dont know of any for sure and especially not the old smitecleric.

And now that theyve removed the timers all together on thanes, they will also become more like the old time smiteclerics then the present day clerics are (they are all rejuv/enh specced and half of them standing around at apk with vacant eyes..)

It seems they move the abilities from realm to realm, swinging the nerfbat and moving the goodies around until every whiner is happy. I guess thats a way to do it too, just not the one I would recommend.

Sometimes, I guess I have to spell it out in finely sorted sentences with the between-the-lines-info in nice lil paragraphs.. Oh well.

 

[old.Leel]

Ah, well, cabbie dots don't hit for twice as much as a shaman, they have the same base value, but avalonians get 20 higher base casting stat then shamans, AND they are affected by acuity buffs which shamans aren't. That makes a big difference, but don't amount to TWICE the amount of damage. Then you are talking about crits, and shamans can crit as well you know. Shamans have the weakest ae dot because there is no mid class with more than 60 base casting stat and they are not affected by acuity buffs. BUT, their buffs, heals, chain and hp table surely make up for it. Shaman is the only class that gets both of ae disease and ae dot, and that's quite a killer on enemy healers's mana hehehe.

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
Irony is lost on some people.

Well, if clerics are/were wizards in chain, then shammies certainly are runeys in chain (regarding their bolts).
(My point being, clerics never where, it was just a unique combination of abilities that would have been nerfed enough with the resist-magic system, temporary invulnerabilities, RA's, etc, but they nerfed the values on everything under the title smite and added the resist system at the same time, resulting in a double-nerf..)

What other chain-wearer can oneshot a bluecon with a distance attack then a shammie? I dont know of any for sure and especially not the old smitecleric.

And now that theyve removed the timers all together on thanes, they will also become more like the old time smiteclerics then the present day clerics are (they are all rejuv/enh specced and half of them standing around at apk with vacant eyes..)

It seems they move the abilities from realm to realm, swinging the nerfbat and moving the goodies around until every whiner is happy. I guess thats a way to do it too, just not the one I would recommend.

Sometimes, I guess I have to spell it out in finely sorted sentences with the between-the-lines-info in nice lil paragraphs.. Oh well.

pre 1.51

smite cleric nuke from 450-500 per nuke
stunned for 9 secs
pbaoe on a 30 second timer
chain armor
self damage add and enhancements
2 insta heals
could kill pretty much any class 1v1 and was common to win solo vs 2-3 ppl also pre purge.

shaman

bolt on 20 sec timer delving for just above a fire wizzy spec nuke
dd on 20 second timer much weaker than a wizzy baseline ice dd
no insta heals unless fa2/ip is bought
no insta cc
no high damage add because thats aug line not cave
will lose 1v1 to any class in a close up 1v1 situation


ill put this easy just for you

the fact your BLUE con says it all, pretty much any lv50 an especially with ra's will either 1 shot u or close to 1 shot u.

hell next week you will be here complaining a zerker 1 shotted your blue con caster.

heres a hint, get lv50 and resists and see if those bolts one shot you.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Shaman bolts

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz

I thought id put my pet on him and go hide seeing as im blue con to a 50 and easy fragbait... But it was already too late, I saw a bolt shoot out much to my surprise and suddenly I was dead. I mean, wtf, ~750 damage from a shammy bolt.

40 Cabalist: Dreary Witching (Poison summoning maniac running the other way with heaps of monsters on his back)
<Dragon Knights>

Gain a lvl and forget to update your sig?

just that lvl 40 is green to 50.

and tbh, for a bolt spell, thats a pretty shitty cap

Had it been a RC RM, Fire wiz or Void Eld, im guessing you'd have seen 4 figures.

 

[Aussie-]

smite cleric nuke from 450-500 per nuke

if your resists suck

stunned for 9 secs

if your resists suck

self damage add and enhancements
2 insta heals

dunno how you spec in 3 lines with 1.0x specpoints

could kill pretty much any class 1v1 and was common to win solo

which class can't?

 

[Carlos Bananos]

but remember aussi, this was all pre purge, ip + uber resists.

Smite clerics where overpowered, Dune used to be one, it wasn't that they could beat ever other class, it was that they nearly couldn't lose.

Get a Shaman in melee, and you'd be hard pressed not to win.

Get a shaman at range, and you got a crappy bolt, an average DD, and a kick ass dot.

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by Aussie-

if your resists suck

read the post pre 1.51 not many people had great resists

Originally posted by Aussie-

if your resists suck

see above

Originally posted by Aussie-

dunno how you spec in 3 lines with 1.0x specpoints

48 smite 23 reju 11 enhance, therefore selfbuffs and teh damage add is in the smite line, did u play one aussie...no didnt think so

Originally posted by Aussie-

which class can't?

which is why its totally pathetic that hes claiming shammies who are ok at best are overpowered and resemble smite clerics pre 1.51

example here

i used to stand outside atk near the tree where most assasins hang about,i would stand there for 30 mins and make 5-6k rp's easy from pretending to be afk and assasins trying to kill me, my smite cleric killed 2 lv50 sb solo without using an insta, when was the last time u killed 2sb with them getting the perf aussie

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Originally posted by dune


pre 1.51

smite cleric nuke from 450-500 per nuke
stunned for 9 secs
pbaoe on a 30 second timer
chain armor
self damage add and enhancements
2 insta heals
could kill pretty much any class 1v1 and was common to win solo vs 2-3 ppl also pre purge.

shaman

bolt on 20 sec timer delving for just above a fire wizzy spec nuke
dd on 20 second timer much weaker than a wizzy baseline ice dd
no insta heals unless fa2/ip is bought
no insta cc
no high damage add because thats aug line not cave
will lose 1v1 to any class in a close up 1v1 situation


ill put this easy just for you

the fact your BLUE con says it all, pretty much any lv50 an especially with ra's will either 1 shot u or close to 1 shot u.

hell next week you will be here complaining a zerker 1 shotted your blue con caster.

heres a hint, get lv50 and resists and see if those bolts one shot you.

First of all, those stats are pre-resist version.. If I smite a hib tank i will have like 70% resist on my dd's, makes it pretty much pointless tbh, even with the old levels of damage it would still be pointless.
In the old days, it was very rare to even oneshot grey-con casters with a cleric, which invalidates your claim just about anything can oneshot a blue con, but i guess albion doesnt count since were too gimped.

"huh huh, stoopid albs, I just hit F6 and stick and I won vs 3 armsmen, huh huh, stoopid albs"


Well, i digress, I was going to say, I find it cool that a chain-caster with a bolt that caps at 750 dmg is allowed to escape the popularity-rush and the nerfbat. I would hate it if they did get nerfed and im definitely not asking for one, I say good for you if someone has found a fun class to play that can do some nice tricks.

Oh and I wouldnt and I am not complaining about anything of the sort, regarding me coming here to whine, Im only stating facts and you get all defensive and start calling me a whiner in other words, probably trying to discredit me instead of facing up to my arguments? Whatever. Hell, ive seen screenshots of zerkers oneshotting level 50s, im not about to whine about that.
I just find it amusing that theres still some hybrids left alive that can actually do something cool with their spells.
But I guess after SI we will see those valewalkers with better-then-plate abs buffs and dds that hit as hard as albion mage classes nukes kick everyones ass. I wonder how long they will last.

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz


First of all, those stats are pre-resist version.. If I smite a hib tank i will have like 70% resist on my dd's, makes it pretty much pointless tbh, even with the old levels of damage it would still be pointless.
In the old days, it was very rare to even oneshot grey-con casters with a cleric, which invalidates your claim just about anything can oneshot a blue con, but i guess albion doesnt count since were too gimped.

"huh huh, stoopid albs, I just hit F6 and stick and I won vs 3 armsmen, huh huh, stoopid albs"


Well, i digress, I was going to say, I find it cool that a chain-caster with a bolt that caps at 750 dmg is allowed to escape the popularity-rush and the nerfbat. I would hate it if they did get nerfed and im definitely not asking for one, I say good for you if someone has found a fun class to play that can do some nice tricks.

Oh and I wouldnt and I am not complaining about anything of the sort, regarding me coming here to whine, Im only stating facts and you get all defensive and start calling me a whiner in other words, probably trying to discredit me instead of facing up to my arguments? Whatever. Hell, ive seen screenshots of zerkers oneshotting level 50s, im not about to whine about that.
I just find it amusing that theres still some hybrids left alive that can actually do something cool with their spells.
But I guess after SI we will see those valewalkers with better-then-plate abs buffs and dds that hit as hard as albion mage classes nukes kick everyones ass. I wonder how long they will last.

i didnt read all your post as i got to this bit and decided the rest would be rubbish also:-

"In the old days, it was very rare to even oneshot grey-con casters with a cleric, which invalidates your claim just about anything can oneshot a blue con, but i guess albion doesnt count since were too gimped. "

i 1 shotted almost every grey unless they were heavy tanks with alot of hp, i rememeber doing around 670 damage 1 shotting a grey, i also 1 shotted green casters regularly. You are making things up to try and justify your initial post but fact remains your green/blue to a lv50 and was hit with a bolt which caps at around 750 damage which is more than your hp, hell my old runie hit lv50 mages with his bolts for over 1k quite regularly your post is just another whine from someone who deserved to die because they were alot lower than the enemy.

edit: that bolt hit you a green/blue con for 750, just imagine what that would be vs a lv50 with sc armor and the normally high resists, and AF up, about 450-550 max which is about half a casters HP. You think taking half a equal con casters hp is overpowered witha bolt...nope didnt think so.

get some levels and then you will see about your midy runies in chain firing bolts of matter from there ass for 8769586585 damage.

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Yea, dont bother reading and the post a reply.. Most impressive.

And no, im not making things up. I have played a smitecleric for ages, I hardly ever used to oneshot greycons.
And why would I try to justify my first post? What is there to justify? Its not like I requested anything in it, is there?
Maybe you should start actually reading the posts before you start flaming genious?
And once again, its not a whine, I never did whine about it. I just stated its funny a chain-caster can oneshot bluecons and people call them gimped.
And where does it say that because ur playing a lowcon char you DESERVE to die? What the hell is that about?

Edit:
Why should I gain levels with this char when I have two 50s with capped resists to check that out? Besides, its not that easy to find cave shammes.

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
Yea, dont bother reading and the post a reply.. Most impressive.

And no, im not making things up. I have played a smitecleric for ages, I hardly ever used to oneshot greycons.

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz

And why would I try to justify my first post? What is there to justify? Its not like I requested anything in it, is there?

yes your saying that you find it amusing that shammies dont get nerfed yet clerics do, your posts are flawed to say the least, every post you have made regarding this subject has had at least one flaw in it.

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz

Maybe you should start actually reading the posts before you start flaming genious?

i wouldnt have time to correct all your errors regarding clerics and shamans

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz

And once again, its not a whine, I never did whine about it. I just stated its funny a chain-caster can oneshot bluecons and people call them gimped.

the shaman until end regen was gimped and now is ok at best, they are in the same catergory as the minstrel meaning that mythic have no idea what they actually are, ie, support, support healer, offensive dotter, and until mythic decide they will always be ok at best.

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz

And where does it say that because ur playing a lowcon char you DESERVE to die? What the hell is that about?

seriously you have 2 level 50's and you need and answer to this??

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Yes, its funny cleric got nerfed yet they are constantly improving chain casters in mid lately. And calling my posts flawed because I express my oppinions is just.. Well what can I say.

Regarding all my errors.. Well I guess mids know best eh? Especially l33t d00d realm jumpers like you.

And the last bit, think on what you said for a little bit.. Does someone DESERVE to die because they are low con, or is it just likely they will? Know the difference? Get it now?

 

[Rollie_David]

heheh now you resort to realm jumping slagging off hehe nice, anyhows clerics deserved to be nerfed, not in the way mythic did it but they most certainly needed nerfing, had you played against a pre 1.51 alb group with smite clerics who heal then nuke your ass you would know but since you havent you will have to take the words of others.

as for your SHOULD we die rubbish, answer yes, why?, because thats how the game is made, this game is a level based game, the higher your levels the more effective you are. You think that shammie bolt would have killed a armsman/paldin at your level? im saying most certainly not butg the fact your a cloth wearer and green/blue con then the way this game is designed and structured then yes your gonna either die or be almost dead from a lv50 character casting a bolt. U think that the same bolt would killa lv50 caster with decent resists? no not even close i dare say.

i wasnt calling your posts flawed because you express your opinions i call them flawed because they are mostly full of rubbish, like the "it was very rare to even oneshot grey-con casters with a cleric" this is what i refer to as flawed, this is incorrect information, unless you have 9 smite and call that a smite cleric then yes you probably wont 1 shot them but if you have 48 smite pre 1.51 one-shotted grey casters regardles

as for the thane, well if you conider that the new smite cleric.............hehe

im a realm jumper because i leave albion to play middy with my frien who was in my guild in UO for best part of a year......riiiiggghhhht

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Well it wasnt me who started flaming was it? I might aswell keep it up.
Oh you changed it to 'should' now. Just because someone goes out into rvr before 50 doesnt mean they DESERVE to die.

 

[Rollie_David]

no but complaining that you was 1 shotted by a char 8 levels higher than you when you hav less Hp than the bolt can max is pretty dam stupid. All along you have tried to justify that shammies are like smite clerics pre 1.51 when they arent even in the same league.

all through this post you have made "light" hearded whines about the similarities between pre 1.51 cleric and shammies when the only ones are they can both heal,buff and wear chain

 

[old.Sepiritz]

I didnt complain. Infact I said its cool they can do that.

And I have compared them because they are both casters in chain and the fact is, the shammy bolt can hit much harder then then pre nerf smiteclerics ever could plus being on a 'weak' resisttable, ie, matter.

To be specific, I said Cave spec seems pretty cool to me if you can do something like that. And then I get flamed for whining, get a life, troll.

 

[Rollie_David]

that bolt can do say 750 damage every 20 seconds against you pre 1.51 a smite cleric would have done 500+ every 4 seconds

500*5=2k damage in the same span time as 1 bolt..............

as well as the fact with a smite cleric pbaoe mezz or just stun>smite*5 in the same time span.

please mr i have no idea about the class i bought on ebay, can i have some more.




GOOOOOOOOOOOO FIGURE

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Yes, i guess over the duration of 20000 seconds...
I was on about the damage of one shot, insta death, not over X seconds. And im still not arguing that shamans are better then smiteclerics, i was saying shamans had some cool abilities and I was surprised the bolt hit for so much. Your still an annoying troll and no, I didnt buy my chars. I have played since beta and never jumped realms.
You just cant stay on topic can you? And youre always looking for something to flame? Go away troll.

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by dune

48 smite 23 reju 11 enhance, therefore selfbuffs and teh damage add is in the smite line, did u play one aussie...no didnt think so

nice insta""heals"" and "buffs"

 

[old.anubis]

40 lvl is green to 50
highest shaman bolt caps at ~750, on green con caster with shitty armor it will almost always cap. what's wrong here?
too bad for you that you're 40 lvl and have less than 750 hits

shaman bolt has 4 seconds cast time and is on 20 sec timer, bolt should hit for more than nuke. ever thought why 2handers with 5.5 delay hit for more than 1handers with 3.0 delay?

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by Aussie-


nice insta""heals"" and "buffs"

yeah there alright for a guy in chain who nukes between 450-500 with a 30sec pbaoe mezz.

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Well, anubis, I did write I was L42 at the time, which in fact, is blue con. I cant be arsed to change my sig every time I ding.