Shamans the new smiteclerics?

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old.Sepiritz

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I was in odins gate a while ago and I was camping hmg all by myself with no company but my simulacrum, being bait for a roaming group of Strife players.
Suddenly a chainclad troll appeared and waved his hands at me, I thought id put my pet on him and go hide seeing as im blue con to a 50 and easy fragbait... But it was already too late, I saw a bolt shoot out much to my surprise and suddenly I was dead. I mean, wtf, ~750 damage from a shammy bolt. Isnt oneshotting blue cons a bit steep for something thats supposedly gimped?
Anyone have any comments? Cave spec seems pretty cool to me if you can do something like that. :)

btw, as im already posting here, anyone know what the deal is with druids, shamans and healers all being able to put RA points into Mastery of Blocking, while Clerics can not? Anyone have a clue to why that is?
 
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Rollie_David

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shammy bolt is on 20 sec timer and is also alot weaker than any caster bolts as it should be, also the shammie dd is on a 20 sec timer and until recently they were both on the same timer.
 
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The Exile

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The best bolt still is a 232 dd, which isn't all that bad and can hurt plenty.
Cave shamans aren't bad in combat, heck they can solo orange mobs if their dot sticks.
 
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Flimgoblin

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don't forget to recast your AF buff :)

or them bolts HURT.

unless you're wearing chain of course...

PS. all bolts are on 20 second timers.
 
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belth

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Why can Shamans and Druids be offensive, but Clerics can't? Someone at Mythic needs to get their head checked and put in a mental asylum, closed ward...
 
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Rollie_David

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Originally posted by belth
Why can Shamans and Druids be offensive, but Clerics can't? Someone at Mythic needs to get their head checked and put in a mental asylum, closed ward...
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shaman isnt the main healer, its a backup healer like the friar is and the friar is a tad offensive, the old smite cleric was way overpowered, the nuke needed toning down.
 
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Rollie_David

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Originally posted by Pin


That's why you rolled one.



That's why you sold one.


:m00:
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i made one cause when i was new to the game thats what i was advised to make, my cleric was getting respecced but i had to sell, as for selling rl cash was needed this was posted on the ss guild board pin, had i not needed the cash i wouldnt have sold but i put rl before this game maybe going on recent events u might wanna try doing the same ;)
 
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belth

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Pre-nerf Smite wouldn't be anywhere overpowered anymore.

Oh by the way Dune, does Friar have ranged attacks? And isn't Druid the primary healer in Hib? (Or buffbot).
 
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Rollie_David

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Originally posted by belth
Pre-nerf Smite wouldn't be anywhere overpowered anymore.

Oh by the way Dune, does Friar have ranged attacks? And isn't Druid the primary healer in Hib? (Or buffbot).
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id rather not comment on a druid since i havent played one, sorry.
 
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Apathy

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CAVE Shamans? Did someone hack an account and maliciously respec a buffbot?

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Apathy

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Friars need more! They should be Albion's morphing class, able to turn into a giant Virgin Mary.

"Blessed be the fruit of my STAFF! ~whackwhackwhack~"

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belth

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Originally posted by Danyan
Druid has less offense than cleric... :p
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Pet, root, dot, damage shield & add... Yes, they can be quite nasty.
 
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old.Niljindil

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hey! shut up! dont nerf me kthx!

Edit: oh and we cant just solo oranges, i soloed most red mobs in my 40+ epic :p
 
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old.Niljindil

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Originally posted by belth


Pet, root, dot, damage shield & add... Yes, they can be quite nasty.
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Damage shield is nothing, breaks root which is the only form of CC a druid has = NEVER used.

DoT is spec, so unless the druid has CRAP healing/buffing they will only have a half assed DoT.

Pet is very nice tho, and if hitting from behind(cant be parried/blocked/evaded* from behind) it can do some nice damage.

Damage add is nothing, a druid doesnt have the defensive capabilities to stand toe to toe and thus it never makes a difference.

In conclusion, a nature druid is a gimp doter with a green pet :p

* advanced evade not accounted for
 
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old.Sko

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Originally posted by ApathyEndymion
CAVE Shamans? Did someone hack an account and maliciously respec a buffbot?

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Priceless :)
 
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Belomar

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Originally posted by dune
i put rl before this game maybe going on recent events u might wanna try doing the same ;)
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Please stop putting your foot in your mouth, all right? I don't want to tread into Pin's business, but this is definitely not your business either!

BW is probably not the best place to vent this, but you've managed to make me a tad irritated now. In regards to your personal non-stop selling of characters, I would like to put in that I spent the better parts of a whole week getting up at 5.00 am gmt to PL your cleric only to have you sell it on me and get RL cash for it. Do you think I did it for fun? That's gratitude for you. I'm very disappointed. I thought more highly of you, to be honest. Posts like the one above only solidifies what I've now realized.
 
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Sharp Thing

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i survived 4bolts in 6secs in emain yesterday, so they cant be that good ;p
 
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belth

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Originally posted by old.Niljindil


Damage shield is nothing, breaks root which is the only form of CC a druid has = NEVER used.

DoT is spec, so unless the druid has CRAP healing/buffing they will only have a half assed DoT.

Pet is very nice tho, and if hitting from behind(cant be parried/blocked/evaded* from behind) it can do some nice damage.

Damage add is nothing, a druid doesnt have the defensive capabilities to stand toe to toe and thus it never makes a difference.

In conclusion, a nature druid is a gimp doter with a green pet :p

* advanced evade not accounted for
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Smite cleric has less utility than nature druid. Pretty familiar pattern there.
 
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Rollie_David

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Originally posted by Belomar
Please stop putting your foot in your mouth, all right? I don't want to tread into Pin's business, but this is definitely not your business either!

BW is probably not the best place to vent this, but you've managed to make me a tad irritated now. In regards to your personal non-stop selling of characters, I would like to put in that I spent the better parts of a whole week getting up at 5.00 am gmt to PL your cleric only to have you sell it on me and get RL cash for it. Do you think I did it for fun? That's gratitude for you. I'm very disappointed. I thought more highly of you, to be honest. Posts like the one above only solidifies what I've now realized.
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this was a direct response to pins stupid post, his post was directed to my original account belomar not the one you helped with which i appreciated alot. Had his post been truthful then the respose wouldnt have been like that unfortunately when he comes and spews crap on BW then he can expect a response from me.
 
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Sharp Thing

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oh, and its not because a lvl 40cabby (prolly with shitty gear; drops :p) got oneshotted by a bolt that a class is overpowerd ;p
 
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Sharp Thing

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Originally posted by belth
Lvl50 smite cleric couldn't one-shot a lvl40 :p
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well, clerics dont have bolts and bolts hit "much" harder then common DD's so :)
 
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old.Leel

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Well, the shammie bolt caps at 696 against yellow con, that's for sure, it's three times base damage. Sometimes, this can be enough to kill a caster. If the caster is blue, he is most likely dead as the level difference will give some bonus damage and the caster will have less hp. The shamme is not a "list" caster though, so none of their spells will crit, except the dots which get a chance to crit when you get wild arcana RA. Wild power is not available to shamans. And yes, my 48 shaman can solo orange windswept wraiths IF the bolt goes in, dot goes in, and dd goes in. Got 1400 hp at level 48 self buffed and got damage add (crappy) and damage shield (decent).
 
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old.Sepiritz

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L42 at the time, but yes, a chainclad nuker that oneshots blue cons is pretty ubah... Not saying its overpowered, never did, however its pretty funny how the table turns and the smitecleric likeness is moved to two nuking chainclad classes in mid instead of the now rejuv specced clerics in albion. :)
I guess im just surprised by the irony of it all..
 
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K0nah

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Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
btw, as im already posting here, anyone know what the deal is with druids, shamans and healers all being able to put RA points into Mastery of Blocking, while Clerics can not? Anyone have a clue to why that is?
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cos clerics are albs u fool!

just like zerkers get avoid pain and mercs dont etc etc the list is endless... shit even mercs dont get master of blocking. u want a well rounded class roll hib or mid, didnt u read the small print on the box ffs?
 
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Qte Eth

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YEAH lets whine about shamans
why do they have also bolt and dd in cave line while ments only offence in mana line is dot?Why he also has good aoe root in that line?why they are matter and ments are energy?
why their regens become grp cast while ments dont??
why they can cast grp end regen in 1 cast and ment has to give mr to whole grp one by one?why do they have 7 tipes ofsingle hot while ments have 4?why do they have GRP hot!?and ment dont have it?
and why after all that pure dot caster can wear not shitty cloth armor,wear shield ,give blue/yellow buffs and res?

and more serious its not druid/cleric/shaman who u are to compare but
druid/cleric/healer
shaman is oustanding coz hes nearly a real mage in not cloth armor,but i think he should be compared to friar or paladin and warden,well cant resist ments here coz he has nearly all dot-ments spells,and gives much more to grp
 
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