Set rvr group (making one)

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Synergy #2.

Wow, thats an original setup btw, hope you kill alot.. honestly.

I think you need to have an e-mail ring, so you can all forward on times etc your available, and for disscussing tactics, maybe setup a private forum.

 

[Danamyr]

...a more detrimental aspect of smite-specced clerics is that they tend to go looking for trouble so that they can land their 1350 range smite instead of positioning themselves away from enemy attention and focusing on healing (and sometimes shearing).

No-one specs a Smite Cleric to heal, they spec a Smite Cleric to Smite! Glamis does a lot of damage with his, so it's hardly like Smite Clerics suck because they don't.

While they don't have a place in opted 8v8, they are still a fun class to play in a less anal Guild Group

 

[Belomar]

No-one specs a Smite Cleric to heal, they spec a Smite Cleric to Smite! Glamis does a lot of damage with his, so it's hardly like Smite Clerics suck because they don't.

Well, first of all, Washington was trying to pass his smite cleric off as a healer in the RvR group discussed in the thread, and thus pressing his smiter into a situation where he would be looked upon for heals.

Secondly, assuming this "anal attitude" you speak of, Clerics have a 173 delve spec smite (I was incorrect before on the 127 delve, for some reason I thought smiters used the baseline smites) with 3.0 second cast time. That hardly constitutes "a lot of damage" in my book, especially given that the spell range is 1350 and the cleric will need to spec in at least WP1 to even begin critting (I think?).

Thirdly, correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem to me that it would be quite difficult to build a template for a smite cleric that caps spell damage and resist piercing given the artifact choices for clerics.

Sorry for taking this thread off-topic, and I certainly don't want to criticize people who play smite clerics.

 

[Danamyr]

Lots of stuff

Firstly, I accept your point. I was talking about Smite generally, not in the context of Washington's post

Secondly, if you're comparing Smite to normal caster damage then of course it's going to appear sub-par. But then casters can't wear chain, don't have base buffs and can't heal, so you really need to compare apples to apples TBH

Thirdly, I believe Cleric templates generally can be a royal pain, but I think it is possible to build a decent Smite template without sacrificing too much. Glamis can you confirm?

I haven't even got a Smite Cleric myself, but feel a strange pull to defend them...I've clearly been in HG too long!

 

[washington]

Well, first of all, Washington was trying to pass his smite cleric off as a healer in the RvR group discussed in the thread, and thus pressing his smiter into a situation where he would be looked upon for heals.

ermm I never once tried to flog myself as as a rejuv cleric and never have, I said in my first post I was smite, then in my second post pointed out that the 1st cleric has the same heals as me. so read what I posted and dont go putting words into my mouth!

 

[Belomar]

Sorry, that was never my intention.

 

[Yunio]

I wish i had the guts to spec smite

on topic.. gl .. dont get demotivated if you get ganked 2 - 3 , 10 times. Keep on trying, and eventually hard work pays off, ie getting rr and teamplay.

 

[Golena]

if you're comparing Smite to normal caster damage then of course it's going to appear sub-par. But then casters can't wear chain, don't have base buffs and can't heal, so you really need to compare apples to apples TBH

The problem is that when making a full group you are comparing the smite clerics damage to a casters damage. Wearing chain might appear as an advantage but it's not going to make that much difference once the train targets you. Your base buffs while you have them will be crap and if your smiting your not healing effectively, not only because smite is so power hungry but because your stood in the same place.
You can either smite or heal, you can't really do both well, so your either not playing as a healer or your playing as a healer that specced 44 points into a line your not using.

Thirdly, I believe Cleric templates generally can be a royal pain, but I think it is possible to build a decent Smite template without sacrificing too much. Glamis can you confirm?

Yeah this is possible, most of the stuff rejuv clerics want can also apply to smiters.

I haven't even got a Smite Cleric myself, but feel a strange pull to defend them...I've clearly been in HG too long!

I have a smitzor, and it's definately a fun class to play. If you have a choice between a smite cleric or no cleric then yes, definately take the smite cleric. But the enhance/rejuv cleric will always out perform it in a good full group.

 

[Kenniii]

Aye as Dely said, got ML10 (BG included)

About what time will we start on saturday?

 

[Yunio]

Maybe if you want to play a cleric to interupt/ and damge.. you could try 38 enhance, 35 smite, and left overs in heal. shit heal ( only in emergencies!!) yellow shear buff, and 145 delve dd, and even get the 40% group insta


get moc 1 and shear/ interupt the feck out of everything. Almost shammy roll in an alb group =)

 

[aaaaaaa]

Hi everyone,

Im considering starting up a set rvr group for clustering cos its a pain finding decent pick up groups these days. The days it would run would be monday saturday and Sunday in the evening. (6+GMT). Requirments for joining are a finished or close to finished template, can be RR1 for all i care sure we will
get up in the RRs fairly fast. Post hear if u are interested in a spot .

Group setup (not finalised, can swap some classes in as is needed)
When you apply please post your spec and/or Ml.

Cleric: meeee (finished temp rr3 ml5 42 enhance 33 rejuv)
Cleric:
Merc:
Merc:
Reaver/pally/arms:
Sorc:
Cabba:
Theurg:

On a side note can tank groups work without a pally?

you might consider dropping the cabalistand getting a heretic in your group instead as well if making a tank group.

 

[Azurus]

We've already got all the spots taken so no changing it now . We will start on Saturday at 6GMT, we may not get round to a whole lot of rvr that saturday just organising how we are to contact each other, talkin tactics making MAs etc. My cleric is called leapord pm me and you will get invite to group then.

 

[Kenniii]

Just want to make sure, is that 7 or 8 CET?

 

[Azurus]

8 Cet

 

[Lothandar]

No-one specs a Smite Cleric to heal, they spec a Smite Cleric to Smite! Glamis does a lot of damage with his, so it's hardly like Smite Clerics suck because they don't.

While they don't have a place in opted 8v8, they are still a fun class to play in a less anal Guild Group

xy smite cleric casts a spell


You are hit for 255 damage
You are hit for 255 damage
You are hit for 255 damage
You are hit for 255 damage
You are healed by anyhealer for 603 hit points.


I think it was 2,5 years ago when smite clerics didn't just tickle anything not on 5% hp.


But now, don't talk about damage.


Smite clerics suck because the owner effectively makes a groupable char into a self-enforced-soloing one. Yeah yeah I'm a "group whore" :>

 

[Golena]

Maybe if you want to play a cleric to interupt/ and damge.. you could try 38 enhance, 35 smite, and left overs in heal. shit heal ( only in emergencies!!) yellow shear buff, and 145 delve dd, and even get the 40% group insta


get moc 1 and shear/ interupt the feck out of everything. Almost shammy roll in an alb group =)

Why not just get 50 enhance, 10 smite, 17 rejuv
AOE shears and a you still get the same amount of smite interupts. Your not going to kill anything with 35 smite, so better shearing would be preferable. Now try standing at CS yelling buffbot looking for group.

The 40% instant you mentioned is only a single target one.

 

[Flimgoblin]

meh get some resist piercing

you can't cap +% spell damage for a smiter unfortunately (4% from gov 2% from golm is all you get) but I've yet to see a wizard instaheal me and I've yet to see a rejuv cleric nuke something to death

I always say this when people discuss gank groups and smite clerics:

Smite clerics are a hybrid - they're not going to be the best at anything. They're also one of the few hybrids without something "unique" (like resist buffs or pbt or whatever) so no gank group is ever going to say "damn we need that!".

Hybrids give you versatility - if you're running a gank group you don't usually care about that - pick a theatre and a setup and run with it. You won't be worrying about having only one rejuv cleric turn up or not having a nuker today so there's little utility in having a flexible class that can do either role (just not as well as the other guy).

It's a shame really since smite is one of the few aoe damage lines in albion - unfortunately the aoe nuke does so little damage and costs so much power (as well as the 4s cast speed) it's hardly worth putting on your quickbar even for a die hard smiter fop+aoe smite vs animist shrooms is about it.

I'd be surprised to see a gank group actively use smiters (unless they expected to be doing a range of tower camping, keep taking, open field stuff where having 3 healers would be good some of the time, or having one of your healers start stun/smiting instead of healing) but any pickup group that turns their nose up at a smiter is being incredibly stupid

 

[Javai]

The biggest issue that a smiter has is enforced by crap game design, ie. you have to have semi-decent buffs to compete. So if you are smite/rejuv you can't field buff and even in the best groups casters (particularly Sorcs) are gonna die alot.

 

[Yunio]

Why not just get 50 enhance, 10 smite, 17 rejuv
AOE shears and a you still get the same amount of smite interupts. Your not going to kill anything with 35 smite, so better shearing would be preferable. Now try standing at CS yelling buffbot looking for group.

The 40% instant you mentioned is only a single target one.

Because you wanna be a smiter.. if you spec smite. and if you still want groupfriendly spec this was best i could think of. + i think its not bad in solo.

Maybe ill try it out one day

ye meant 40 % single insta.

 

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Smite Clerics and Armsmen in the same group, lol.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Smite Clerics and Armsmen in the same group, lol.

you been stalking my groups? had two smite clerics and 3 armsmen in a group the other day... and a rejuv friar.

 

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I think its fun to be different, don't get me wrong.

 

[Bugz]

Sorry, that was never my intention.

Screenied!

Belomar saying sorry!

 

[Ffade]

count on me if you like ? finished temp uber one! r5l4 atm banelord ml5 soon ml8 (prob. end of the next week)

 

[Killswitch]

Saw this, but I'm a bit late replying

Anyway, if you have any people drop out, I have the following classes I'd be interested in joining with;

Sorc - 50 - ML10 - 4L9 - 39body/37mind
Fully TOA'd 101dex/100int/10%castspeed etc.

Reaver - 50 - ML10 - 3Lx - slam-specced
Fully TOA'd with good template

Cleric - 50 - ML10 - 3Lx - Enhance/Rejuve-specced
TOA'd with decent template

Cheers

 

[Azurus]

Killswitch if you want you can be the 9th member im sure we will be a member down sometimes and as u hav caster tank and healer u could replace them for tht nite.

 

[pinkey]

if u want sorc i can sign up with pinkey ml10 rr3L6

 

[Killswitch]

Killswitch if you want you can be the 9th member im sure we will be a member down sometimes and as u hav caster tank and healer u could replace them for tht nite.

Damn my utility I bet you wouldn't be asking me if I had a smite cleric, a matter sorc and a painworking necro !!

Does this mean if the full group comes, I can /stick and leech? Woohoo!

 

[Golena]

Does this mean if the full group comes, I can /stick and leech? Woohoo!

Only if you do it with your cleric!

 

[Lethul]

you been stalking my groups? had two smite clerics and 3 armsmen in a group the other day... and a rejuv friar.

well rejuv friars are the best (33 rejuv that is! )