Serious issues with last RR attempt

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Sichama
I just knew this wouldn't be easy,
ok one at a time,

Until you actually try to disprove the facts i stated just dismising them is a poor way of discussing which only makes what you say another pointless post.

You mean the last Hib RR against Mids?
a) in this case the bigest in population realm didn't take part.
b) it is also the RR i remember in which we almost lost HPK in Odin's when the forces of Midguard guarding hmg suicided on it, Hibs would have not taken the Relic home if it wasn't taken through Doden's.

Really now does any Hib have the illusion that we can actually raid one of the other realms and especially Albion in prime time houres and succeed?

By defending this so called agreement about prime time raids the only thing you do is help Albs and Mids hold on to the Relics they want, sure Hibs may hold the Power relics but this is only because no one else really want's them, and the fact that if Mids didn't do an Alarm clock raid on Albion the Str relics would still be in their hands and they would have stayed there for ever, is very hard to ignore.

I am under the illusion that Hib can pull off prime time raids, I am under that illusion because we have always done it. I am under that illusion because I did it. Most important of all, I would rather not get a relic if it means I sneak in and kill NPC's at 4am, we have a dragon for that. Wake up at some ungodly hour so I can receive a 20% bonus in a game, ffs no thanks.

The spies were easy to deal with, as anyone on my raid will tell you.

Maybe that is the problem here, a lack of belief, we tried it once and we didn't get far lets can it and come back on an NPC raid. That's the issue, relic raids are simple raids on a relic keep, if you want the relics with a smaller population, you need a relic war, not a raid. Killgorde understood that, he pummelled Albion for ages before he took the relics "prime time".

 

[Antedeluvian]

Originally posted by old.Nol
I am under the illusion that Hib can pull off prime time raids, I am under that illusion because we have always done it. I am under that illusion because I did it. Most important of all, I would rather not get a relic if it means I sneak in and kill NPC's at 4am, we have a dragon for that. Wake up at some ungodly hour so I can receive a 20% bonus in a game, ffs no thanks.

The spies were easy to deal with, as anyone on my raid will tell you.

Maybe that is the problem here, a lack of belief, we tried it once and we didn't get far lets can it and come back on an NPC raid. That's the issue, relic raids are simple raids on a relic keep, if you want the relics with a smaller population, you need a relic war, not a raid. Killgorde understood that, he pummelled Albion for ages before he took the relics "prime time".

Then we harrased mids in same manner, and when we did the retake of relics after a whole night fighting, sieging keeps, losing them and resieging and retaking them again.... (about 7 hours of fight)..... they came back 2 weeks later at 7 AM whit the excuse of necromancers.... as if we would alarmraided them whit the excuse of zerkers or (after 1,62) savages.
Honorless bastards playing easy mode in midgard anyone? (about 400)

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Sichama
No having things change regularly isn't my definition of stale or boring on the contrary, and to be honest even if you are right and after a while it feels repetitive or for any reason people don't like it anymore change how things are done again, supporting a stale and boring situation just because the other one also has the potential of becoming boring shows that either you are biased or afraid of change.

DAoC is not a game that requires very skillfull playing, its quite easy imo, and i will repeat that taking pride at your honorable actions or whatever, has any real meaning if you are honorable and brave when you will have real consequences for yur actions, otherwise any moron and coward can be honorable and brave.

If relics become something that swap over ever alternate night, they ose any value and no longer become a fixture in the game. People become blase about them, all that is left is the mundane trips to emain to end up here bitching about zergs and stealther pops.

Your right, DAOC is not a game that requires mad skillz, possibly the only real challenge in DAOC is a prime time relic raid, and you are proposing to do away with them. It's not just a challenge on behalf of the organiser, it's a realm challenge, everyone needs to work together to succeed and a bit of luck too.

Your welcome to try set up a morning raid, but like Divinia I won't attend, I also won't defend if you succeed. It has little or nothing to do with honour and bravery, it has to do with personal pride and enjoyment.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Antedeluvian
Then we harrased mids in same manner, and when we did the retake of relics after a whole night fighting, sieging keeps, losing them and resieging and retaking them again.... (about 7 hours of fight)..... they came back 2 weeks later at 7 AM whit the excuse of necromancers.... as if we would alarmraided them whit the excuse of zerkers or (after 1,62) savages.
Honorless bastards playing easy mode in midgard anyone? (about 400)

Killgorde harrassed albs over a period of weeks, not hours, but besides that, I think that this latest raid proved that mids will always find an excuse to do it the easy way.

 

[old.CrazyMuppet]

Sichama, it's a nice try to justify alarmclock raids, but it doesn't fly.... why? Because even a smaller realm can pull off a successfull primetime raid.

How you ask? Momentum.

If you do a login raid and you ARE at excalibur with 200-300 you have the momentum at that point. What you do with that momentum is what decides the outcome. If you've planned the RR well and everyone has a task, it will succeed... The defending realm will have to try to get the momentum to their side, and that is not easy if the attackers know what they're doing.

This nonsense about realms not being able to do primetime raids tires me... there have been many succesfull RR's done on albs in the past... maybe it's time to grow some leaders instead of going for the easy route all the time?

Many alb RR's have failed as well with mids/hibs emoting laughspams and jumping corpses etc... but it is at those times people learn, better alliances are forged, raid leaders are born.

It's nice to have a large number... but a large force is useless cannonfodder without people to guide them.

 

[Sichama]

Originally posted by old.Nol
If relics become something that swap over ever alternate night, they ose any value and no longer become a fixture in the game. People become blase about them, all that is left is the mundane trips to emain to end up here bitching about zergs and stealther pops.

Couldn't someone say the same for the opposite, if relics never change hands or do so every 4 month they become a status quo, People become blase about them and all that is left is the mundane trips to emain to end up here bitching about zergs and stealther pops?

Originally posted by old.Nol
Your right, DAOC is not a game that requires mad skillz, possibly the only real challenge in DAOC is a prime time relic raid, and you are proposing to do away with them. It's not just a challenge on behalf of the organiser, it's a realm challenge, everyone needs to work together to succeed and a bit of luck too.

You are totaly right, now put your hand on heart and honestly tell me is Hibernia at this moment in position to pull out such a feat? For a realm challenge that everyone needs to work together to succeed don't you need the will of the people to do it and some visionary leadership also?

Originally posted by old.Nol
Your welcome to try set up a morning raid, but like Divinia I won't attend, I also won't defend if you succeed. It has little or nothing to do with honour and bravery, it has to do with personal pride and enjoyment.

I am afraid i don't have the resources, will or time to do something like that....hmmm i may have been missunderstood at this point i couldn't probably attend an alarm clock no less organising one, i dont have the resources time or anything that something like that would require.

The fact is that the 2.5 years im playing this game i have seen what? 3 RR's i think, maybe missed a couple too, so this is what? one RR every 4 months, people say that if Relics change hands constantly it's not good, but at the same time no one seems to notice that for them to change hands maybe 2 times a year that is not good too, understandable though as people seem afraid of change.

CrazyMuppet and Nol, the two of you have convinced me that with the right attitude and vision anything can happen, my post was not a cry to have non primetime raids for the sake of having them, it was more of a cry for change i think, things have become....boring, repetitive, stale and something more but i can't find the words for it.

oh well...

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Sichama

1) Prime time raids are fun, challenging, the need coordination, tactics and everyone has the oprtunity to live a grand scale battle.

Correct.

2) Prime time raids only benefit the largest in population Realm as they will allways have the largest population online in prime time houres.

False. For six months or so Mids benefitted from primetime-only raids, by having the strength relics. Alb raided at a time that Mids could defend: I know, I was on a lot of large scale raids into Mid and saw how many you can bring to take *one* keep.

3) Prime time raids tend to happen very rearly thus causing the Relic situation to become stale, and especially after some failed RR's by the lesser in population realms, things never change, giving the realm with the larger population the benefit of choosing who has what relics.

That would be true if the realms with lower population had never made a successful relic raid. In fact, both Mid and Hib have done primetime successful relic raids in the past. Thus, the larger population realm doesn't "choose who has relics".

4) Prime time RR's where the more populated realm takes part, because of obvious GoA's el cheepo machines, will cause Excalibur to crush, this enhances even more the stale situation of Relic ownership, adding the fact that the game becomes unplayable by those that don't give a shit about Relics in the first place.

Again, false: primetime relic raids HAVE happened, with large numbers of defenders.

5) DAoC as developed by Mythic is becoming a game that will be about large scale battles, sieges etc etc. i am afraid that DAoC that is hosted by GoA in Europe will become totaly unplayable for a large period of time when the new RvR expansion becomes live.

Possibly true, but given that ToA and the Frontiers expansion haven't happened yet, not relevant.

So by these observations, that i challenge anyone to prove wrong, prime time raids although fun, they are something that people should avoid because in reality they only benefit the largest in population realm and things just become stale and boring not to mention that servers crush making the game unplayable for all.

I think I've shown that your points are wrong, so your conclusion is also wrong.

 

[Sichama]

Re: Re: Serious issues with last RR attempt

Originally posted by Gordonax


Correct.

Good we agree on this one.

Originally posted by Gordonax


False. For six months or so Mids benefitted from primetime-only raids, by having the strength relics. Alb raided at a time that Mids could defend: I know, I was on a lot of large scale raids into Mid and saw how many you can bring to take *one* keep.

That would be true if the realms with lower population had never made a successful relic raid. In fact, both Mid and Hib have done primetime successful relic raids in the past. Thus, the larger population realm doesn't "choose who has relics".

Mids are not that far behind population wise from Alb and yes they benefited for six months why? because you couldn't take them primetime, the Alb raid that succeded was a bit off from prime time so your words are carefully chosen but i was here too and remember that for the, largest population wise, realm Albs didn't really do a primetime raid, it surely wasn't an alarm clock raid, but neither was it a prime time one, add to that the fact that it was well executed and mids were caught unaware and they practically didnt react, there you have a non alarm raid that was succesfull, but it wasn't the definition of Prime Time raid either, and whats with the you stuff, im not a mid.
As for the Hib one we all know deep inside what the outcome of that one would be if we didnt take the relic through Doden's.

Originally posted by Gordonax

Again, false: primetime relic raids HAVE happened, with large numbers of defenders.

It crushed yesterday and this is supposed to be the new improved server, maybe it was the 120 Hibs that tiped the scale again maybe not, the fact is that now it is proven that any time someone doesn't want a RR to succed all he needs to do is log as many as possible toons in the area of interest.

Originally posted by Gordonax
Possibly true, but given that ToA and the Frontiers expansion haven't happened yet, not relevant.

Maybe not, but it will become soon.

Originally posted by Gordonax
I think I've shown that your points are wrong, so your conclusion is also wrong.

Then again i think not, i think you must do better.

 

[old.Nol]

soon as I am in London for more then a week, I will show you what I mean

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Sichama
I just knew this wouldn't be easy,
ok one at a time,

because you're wrong

Until you actually try to disprove the facts i stated just dismising them is a poor way of discussing which only makes what you say another pointless post.

your 'facts' are opinions, nothing more.

You mean the last Hib RR against Mids?
a) in this case the bigest in population realm didn't take part.

which is irrelevant, the proportion of alb to mid population is roughly the same as that of mid to hib population

b) it is also the RR i remember in which we almost lost HPK in Odin's when the forces of Midguard guarding hmg suicided on it, Hibs would have not taken the Relic home if it wasn't taken through Doden's.

that is a hypothesis which you cannot prove. The Mid force suicided on hpk before the Hib force got to hmg. With the predominance of casters in Hib compared to Mid, and the presence of BAoD, and the strength of casters in zergs compared to melee, you have no way of substantiating your OPINION of the above.

Really now does any Hib have the illusion that we can actually raid one of the other realms and especially Albion in prime time houres and succeed?

yes, luckily most Hibs aren't as pessimistic as you
When we work together we can take any relic. We've succeeded without using the 'lame' tactics that Midgard and Albion used of ninja raids or logout raids or alarmclock raids. We can still succeed again. History, which is known to repeat itself, provides a weight of evidence against your opion above.

By defending this so called agreement about prime time raids the only thing you do is help Albs and Mids hold on to the Relics they want,

no, what we do is maintain the value in the achievement of a prime time relic raid. Holding the relics is irrelevant largely. Lead a relic raid and you'll understand, until then, your opinion is largely worthless due to lack of understanding and experience of the issue.

sure Hibs may hold the Power relics but this is only because no one else really want's them,

Conjecture, there are far more believable reasons why Hibs hold the Power Relics, such as the presence of animists, the ease of getting to Dagda and the high numbers of enemies in our frontiers most of the time, as well as the relatively quick reaction in Hib when a keep other than Crauch gets taken.

and the fact that if Mids didn't do an Alarm clock raid on Albion the Str relics would still be in their hands and they would have stayed there for ever, is very hard to ignore.

That's not a fact, that's conjecture yet again. I have no doubt that mr Hypocrasy himself, Ardamel, could organise and lead a primetime relic raid. I also have no doubt that Hibernia could do so and succeed, although it would require quite a few attempts.

Stop thinking that your opinions on matters which you obviously don't seem to understand very well constitute facts.

 

[Sichama]

Amadon,
the problem is that you didn't argue absolutely none of the facts of my first post, yes i admit you argued all my opinions of my other posts and you proved them to be oppinions, well done.

Actually you have been taking shots at me from yesterday and really i don't know why.

/shrug

Nol,
i really hope you do

 

[Gordonax]

Re: Re: Re: Serious issues with last RR attempt

Originally posted by Sichama
Mids are not that far behind population wise from Alb and yes they benefited for six months why? because you couldn't take them primetime, the Alb raid that succeded was a bit off from prime time so your words are carefully chosen but i was here too and remember that for the, largest population wise, realm Albs didn't really do a primetime raid,

Sorry, but that simply isn't true. Read through http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77464. Hell, have a look at any of the threads for that time. We took them at 9pm, on a Sunday, when there were 700+ Mids online. You can't get more primetime than that.

Let me quote Ardamels at you, from http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77581

"Herbal's raid must have been incredibly hard to organize, it was on prime time and that kind of tactics is easily dealt with if ppl just get to know of it in time. 1 FG can waylay such a plan but we did not, cuz we were not prepared but we should've been. I think this one deserves credit."

Arda is, I think, the most successful relic raid leader in Excalibur history. I think you should listen to him.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Killgorde harrassed albs over a period of weeks, not hours, but besides that, I think that this latest raid proved that mids will always find an excuse to do it the easy way.

Agreed. Before the last Alb relic raid, Fellowship and SS alliances had regularly done big raids into Mid to try and make the Mids more complacent about responding to large numbers in their frontier. It worked. When the relic raid came, they didn't respond fast enough.

I remember the Killgorde raids . People were actually saying "oh don't bother, it's just Killgorde". Then we suddenly had no relics

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Sichama
Actually you have been taking shots at me from yesterday and really i don't know why.

1) off peak relic raids can ruin the last real challenge left in the game, and while I don't have the time/ability/whatever to organise relic raids, I have however tried organising realm defense many times and seen the amount of time and effort required to get a large number of people working together in DAoC. I think that the sense of achievement of doing so successfully is something to be valued and I see off peak relic raids as demeaning prime time raids to the point where they are no longer of any value, nor possible due to lack of interest by the required numbers. As such, anyone who defends off peak relic raids without addressing the above issue, I feel is short sighted and is trying to ruin possibly the most rewarding aspect of the game for everyone else, and that I defend rather vigorously.

2) I feel savages having str relics is a much worse problem for general RvR than infils having str relics. Perhaps if more Hib stealthers helped clear amg/mmg emain of Mid/Alb stealthers, so that a fight at a milegate didnt invariably result in another fg of enemy stealthers adding I'd have more sympathy for Hib stealthers. However the stealth game seems to be a pretty much separate game from the one the rest of us play, and as arrogant as it may be, I think the one the rest of us play takes priority due to DAoC being a MMORPG and not a single player game.

As a result of the above two, I felt that your suggestions on /as to assist Midgard, which could very well spark a long and unfruitful debate on alliance chat (having seen such debates before), merited my somewhat aggressive attention.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Sichama
Amadon,
the problem is that you didn't argue absolutely none of the facts of my first post

perhaps I'll find time to reply to your first post eventually if you really want me to

 

[jarl]

Re: Re: Serious issues with last RR attempt

Originally posted by Divinia
Didnt notice any server crash latest Hib RR's? and they were done sucessfully primetime..

Hibs did not bring 500+ ppl
and the deffenders did bring like 2ppl befor it was over

So maby not to strange the server stayed up huh?

 

[Sichama]

So in the end what is the result ?
Alarm clock raids are considered lame, unethical, they surely are not fun, but prime time raids just dont happen, sure everyone has an example of a succesfull "prime time" raid but combining all the examples together you have 3 such, and all at some point debatable, raids the last year and more.

So the real question here isn't so much if prime time raids are better then alarm clock raids, as the answer to that one is obvious, the real issue here is, if alram clock raids are lame, and prime time raids are rare what is the alternative?

And yes personaly i prefer Mids having the Str relics as you totaly underestimate the problem Inf's are with them.
I wouldn't mind Albs having them to be honest, and you probably wouldn't mind Mids having them either, if every time the Relics change hands, the given relic situation would not last for months.
Believe it or not but when Albs have the str relics the game is quite unplayable for me, is it the same for you when Mids have them?

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Sichama
So in the end what is the result ?
Alarm clock raids are considered lame, unethical, they surely are not fun, but prime time raids just dont happen, sure everyone has an example of a succesfull "prime time" raid but combining all the examples together you have 3 such, and all at some point debatable, raids the last year and more.

The onus was on Midgard to raid. They did so at a lame time excluding the majority of the opposing realm from participating in the game at all. Midgard could have pulled of a raid on Hibernia, they've done so before. They didn't try very hard vs Albion in Primetime (like 2 raids or something). They want instant gratification, for that, the organisers and participants in the game are pathetic in my opinion (which of course is irrelevant to them).

if alram clock raids are lame, and prime time raids are rare what is the alternative?

Prime time raids are rare because they're difficult, and their very difficulty is what gives them value. I don't see why that should change, or do you also want instant gratification?

And yes personaly i prefer Mids having the Str relics as you totaly underestimate the problem Inf's are with them.

No, I don't. I fully understand how crap it is to lose without standing a chance. However I think it's preferable for 10% of the players to lose without standing a chance, than for 90% of the players to do so.

Believe it or not but when Albs have the str relics the game is quite unplayable for me, is it the same for you when Mids have them?

yes
The game is barely playable vs savages without str relics. With them, it's pointless.

 

[Sichama]

So what you say is that there is no alternative, relics will change hands either 2 times a week (alarm clock raids), or 2 times a year (prime time raids).

Well i would be extremely happy to see an alternative that would probably suggest a relic change every 2 months for instance but if i have to choose from the above two i choose the alarm clock raids they are more interesting a bit like DF, log in and feel a nice surprise if you have them, /shrug if you dont.

Prime time raids are surely fun, exciting and rewarding, but only when they happen does this excitment and fun become reality, all the rest of the time it's just theory and an argument for academic discussions.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Sichama
So in the end what is the result ?
Alarm clock raids are considered lame, unethical, they surely are not fun, but prime time raids just dont happen, sure everyone has an example of a succesfull "prime time" raid but combining all the examples together you have 3 such, and all at some point debatable, raids the last year.

But what's wrong with that? Relic raids are supposed to be rare events, which is why they're designed to be hard to do. Taking the relics is supposed to be the culmination of a lot of planning and organising, which is why when they do happen you get a massive sense of achievement from having taken part - and, sometimes, a massive sense of disappointment when they fail.

And don't forget the failures. When Alb had no relics, there was probably an attempt every month - most failed, but it was fun to try. Over the past year, there have been at least 10 or 12 attempts from different realms to relic raid, of which the majority failed. Hell, I've been on four from Alb alone that failed, and I missed at least two other attempts. What doesn't happen so often is that relics change hands - but then, taking relics should be hard, so what's wrong with that?

If they happen twice a week, and especially if they happen to alarmclock raids, they simply lose their meaning - and that reduces the fun in the game.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Sichama
So what you say is that there is no alternative, relics will change hands either 2 times a week (alarm clock raids), or 2 times a year (prime time raids).

Well i would be extremely happy to see an alternative that would probably suggest a relic change every 2 months for instance but if i have to choose from the above two i choose the alarm clock raids they are more interesting a bit like DF, log in and feel a nice surprise if you have them, /shrug if you dont.

The alternative is to organise relic raids yourself. If you want relics, organise a raid, but I warn you, it's a HELL of a lot of effort, especially in Hibernia where it's hard to get support for relic raids.

But you evidently would prefer to lose the value of relic raids. I find that narrowminded and selfish. I'd suggest you try organise one before supporting the abolishment of them.

 

[Sichama]

Hah i challenge anyone to try and organize a RR in Hib at this moment, the only and typical answer you will get is....but we have the power relics, and we dont want the str relic because then we can't defend them all and we will end up with no relics.

You see Hibs are perfectly happy with the power relics and as long as Mids and Albs fight over the Str relics we are safe, ohhh how nice, i even bet everyone would be happy if things didn't change in ten years from now.

People should start admiting that they are afraid of losing what they have and that is the main reason they support prime time raids instead of giving all the other excuses they do.

If you don't want things to change two or three times weekly you better make sure things don't become stale and that they change on a more regular but also more controled basis.

 

[Antedeluvian]

Originally posted by Sichama
Hah i challenge anyone to try and organize a RR in Hib at this moment, the only and typical answer you will get is....but we have the power relics, and we dont want the str relic because then we can't defend them all and we will end up with no relics.

You see Hibs are perfectly happy with the power relics and as long as Mids and Albs fight over the Str relics we are safe, ohhh how nice, i even bet everyone would be happy if things didn't change in ten years from now.

People should start admiting that they are afraid of losing what they have and that is the main reason they support prime time raids instead of giving all the other excuses they do.

If you don't want things to change two or three times weekly you better make sure things don't become stale and that they change on a more regular but also more controled basis.

Look, you and your cheap philosofy could go hell. The raid was lame, period.
Ah, and for raid leader: you are a shame for excalibur server, and i hope you quit and go play CS, and i think that a good amount off players feel the same, more than 50% for sure.

Edited cos wrong thread

 

[kirennia]

Re: Re: Re: Serious issues with last RR attempt

Originally posted by Sichama
As for the Hib one we all know deep inside what the outcome of that one would be if we didnt take the relic through Doden's.

Sorry but just have to ask, why does the tactic of taking it back have any relevance as to why mids should do alarm clock raids? Am I missing something? Can mids not find the entrance to the RvR dungeon in hib or Alb also?

 

[Antedeluvian]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Serious issues with last RR attempt

Originally posted by kirennia
Sorry but just have to ask, why does the tactic of taking it back have any relevance as to why mids should do alarm clock raids? Am I missing something? Can mids not find the entrance to the RvR dungeon in hib or Alb also?

Mids cant find their own arse using both hands if they dont do it at some lame manner.

 

[mcdonalds]

Hummmm

Originally posted by Sichama
a) Albs are the largest realm in population so they benefit from prime time raids and obviously they will try and enforce them.

Thats bollocks Mids were the ones who got pissed at l8/early raids, and alb has stopped doing them.... but MId who did did not want these raids..... do them....


So what ur saying is.. dont raid us please /cry


I have just added this in having read only the 1st page, sorry if has been delt with

 

[Sichama]

eerrm i would like to mention that this thread is a bit bigger than one page and maybe you go read it from the start.

But to quote myself from my first post...

Originally posted by Sichama
But be warned this is not a Mids are lame, Albs are zerglings thread we have enough of those.

And i will mention in a fast way what this thread is about.

1) We all agree (yes me too) that alarm clock raids are lame. unethical etc etc, but prime time raids are very dificutl to pull off and they actually only benefit Albion at this moment (go to my first post for more details) so im debating if real alarm clock raids are more interesting and fun then theoretical prime time raids.
2) Nol has promised to show to me how Hibernia with the lowest population can perform a prime time raid with a good chance of succeding, and prove me wrong when i say that we can't
3) The Dodens trick was ingenious but in all honesty it is only the first time tricks like this are used that they succed.
4) Amadon doesn't like me but is keeping a very civilized way of arguing, and has presented some good arguments too.

Alot more interesting stuff from many posters but you really need to read it all.

 

[old.Ramas]

Originally posted by Sichama

The fact is that the 2.5 years im playing this game i have seen what? 3 RR's i think, maybe missed a couple too, so this is what? one RR every 4 months, people say that if Relics change hands constantly it's not good, but at the same time no one seems to notice that for them to change hands maybe 2 times a year that is not good too, understandable though as people seem afraid of change.

In that case you haven't been paying attention.

I mean, *really* not paying attention.

Do you take regular 5 month breaks from DAOC or something?

This year the strength relics have changed hands at least 6 times that can think right now, the power relics 3 times.

And I'd say about 1 in 2 relic raids are successful. Certainly there have been at least 15 relic raids in the last 12 months.

Admittedly Hib does it less, but that is principly because few people outside Hib on this server care very much about power relics.

/shrug

 

[iorlas]

Sichama..
Why bother even doing alarm clock raid on eachother twice a week??Why not just agree to " drop em off" to each other at pre arranged times and places?? would be about as much fun as having to set alarm clocks to kill npc's.

 

[old.Ramas]

Originally posted by Sichama
Nol has promised to show to me how Hibernia with the lowest population can perform a prime time raid with a good chance of succeding, and prove me wrong when i say that we can't

You already have relics. They were acquired at prime time. Realm balance has not changed significantly since that day. What's to prove?