Serious issues with last RR attempt

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Sichama

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Well i will keep this short and sweet.
But be warned this is not a Mids are lame, Albs are zerglings thread we have enough of those.

Facts i have seen as beeing the truth.

1) Prime time raids are fun, challenging, the need coordination, tactics and everyone has the oprtunity to live a grand scale battle.
2) Prime time raids only benefit the largest in population Realm as they will allways have the largest population online in prime time houres.
3) Prime time raids tend to happen very rearly thus causing the Relic situation to become stale, and especially after some failed RR's by the lesser in population realms, things never change, giving the realm with the larger population the benefit of choosing who has what relics.
4) Prime time RR's where the more populated realm takes part, because of obvious GoA's el cheepo machines, will cause Excalibur to crush, this enhances even more the stale situation of Relic ownership, adding the fact that the game becomes unplayable by those that don't give a shit about Relics in the first place.
5) DAoC as developed by Mythic is becoming a game that will be about large scale battles, sieges etc etc. i am afraid that DAoC that is hosted by GoA in Europe will become totaly unplayable for a large period of time when the new RvR expansion becomes live.

So by these observations, that i challenge anyone to prove wrong, prime time raids although fun, they are something that people should avoid because in reality they only benefit the largest in population realm and things just become stale and boring not to mention that servers crush making the game unplayable for all.

In the end better for them to change hands randomly 2 or 3 times a month, or even more, it just gives an oportunity for the small in population realms to taste what the other realms have, sure it will not be often and it will not last long but as litle as it might be it's better than nothing.
 
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iorlas

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Very poor attempt to justify an ALARM CLOCK raid...another POINTLESS thread.
 
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mandom

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midguards biggest prob on our primetime attempts have been spyes
 
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Divinia

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Originally posted by Sichama

So by these observations, that i challenge anyone to prove wrong

Didnt notice any server crash latest Hib RR's? and they were done sucessfully primetime..
 
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old.Filip

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geezzzzz you thougth all this up by your self ?

2) Prime time raids only benefit the largest in population Realm as they will allways have the largest population online in prime time houres.

WWRRONGGGG

thats why the uber guards are there ...

listen to this story from tha OLLDD days...

Mid RR force was coming down towards excalibur but got sigthet of some albs ...

the albs rush out to get into excalibur before mids land there.. i as a minser speed this guy a theug called kantz..

instead of porting inside the relic keep he want to stand between the uber guards, which he EB/hastet while we waitet for the mids...

when the mids arrived and pulled the uberguards kantz Chain rootet the entire mid force (was possible in that old patch) and the entier mid force die to 1 guy and the uber guards..

lesson to be learned ... defenders got walls uber guards etc etc and are able to defend vs a superior force ...

if you dont see this you just need to attend more raids..

Originally posted by mandom spyes bla bla

i tell you the truth when i say i would report any alb leaking mid info...

i have knowen of several albs who logged out if they got knowledge about RR's vs albs ...
 
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old.Ramas

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Given alb primetime raids since the server upgrade have not crashed the server. This is clearly rubbish.

In the previous exchange at the beginning of last year when mid would take the alb relics by alarm clock, then alb would retaliate with alarm clocks and so on; you could justify it by saying that at that time prime time raids would genuinely cause a server crash. But since the upgrade it has been amply demonstrated that while excal still isn't really up to the job; with a little good fortune and a following wind, primetime raids are now possible.

As for the 'populous realm' nonsense. Hib has always managed just fine at primetime. It's only mid (and I'm hoping only a minority of mid) that feels the need to hide behind this.
 
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mandom

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Originally posted by old.Filip
geezzzzz you thougth all this up by your self ?



WWRRONGGGG

thats why the uber guards are there ...

listen to this story from tha OLLDD days...

Mid RR force was coming down towards excalibur but got sigthet of some albs ...

the albs rush out to get into excalibur before mids land there.. i as a minser speed this guy a theug called kantz..

instead of porting inside the relic keep he want to stand between the uber guards, which he EB/hastet while we waitet for the mids...

when the mids arrived and pulled the uberguards kantz Chain rootet the entire mid force (was possible in that old patch) and the entier mid force die to 1 guy and the uber guards..

lesson to be learned ... defenders got walls uber guards etc etc and are able to defend vs a superior force ...

if you dont see this you just need to attend more raids..

with todays relic forces those "uber guards" arent really any problem anylonger, might was before SC and capped resists came in
 
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old.Filip

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with todays relic forces those "uber guards" arent really any problem anylonger, might was before SC and capped resists came in

it is the players actions who can make the uber guards worth anything....

i understand that if you only figth the uberguards with no player back up they are piss easy to kill....
 
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phule_gubben

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Originally posted by old.Filip
geezzzzz you thougth all this up by your self ?



WWRRONGGGG

thats why the uber guards are there ...

listen to this story from tha OLLDD days...

Mid RR force was coming down towards excalibur but got sigthet of some albs ...

the albs rush out to get into excalibur before mids land there.. i as a minser speed this guy a theug called kantz..

instead of porting inside the relic keep he want to stand between the uber guards, which he EB/hastet while we waitet for the mids...

when the mids arrived and pulled the uberguards kantz Chain rootet the entire mid force (was possible in that old patch) and the entier mid force die to 1 guy and the uber guards..

lesson to be learned ... defenders got walls uber guards etc etc and are able to defend vs a superior force ...

if you dont see this you just need to attend more raids..



i tell you the truth when i say i would report any alb leaking mid info...

i have knowen of several albs who logged out if they got knowledge about RR's vs albs ...

Que?

vill du ha en banan oxå?
 
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old.Filip

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nice to see mids resort to sweedish babbling...
 
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kirennia

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Originally posted by mandom
with todays relic forces those "uber guards" arent really any problem anylonger, might was before SC and capped resists came in

Doesn't change the fact that half the numbers (lvl 50) defending can hold off an entire relic force. Even maybe just a few clever gtaoe/pbaoers.


Ooh and sichama, you forgot to mention its the cowards way out to Realic raid whilst no1 is online.
 
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Sichama

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I just knew this wouldn't be easy,
ok one at a time,

Originally posted by iorlas
Very poor attempt to justify an ALARM CLOCK raid...another POINTLESS thread.

Until you actually try to disprove the facts i stated just dismising them is a poor way of discussing which only makes what you say another pointless post.

Originally posted by Divinia
Didnt notice any server crash latest Hib RR's? and they were done sucessfully primetime..

You mean the last Hib RR against Mids?
a) in this case the bigest in population realm didn't take part.
b) it is also the RR i remember in which we almost lost HPK in Odin's when the forces of Midguard guarding hmg suicided on it, Hibs would have not taken the Relic home if it wasn't taken through Doden's.

Really now does any Hib have the illusion that we can actually raid one of the other realms and especially Albion in prime time houres and succeed?

By defending this so called agreement about prime time raids the only thing you do is help Albs and Mids hold on to the Relics they want, sure Hibs may hold the Power relics but this is only because no one else really want's them, and the fact that if Mids didn't do an Alarm clock raid on Albion the Str relics would still be in their hands and they would have stayed there for ever, is very hard to ignore.
 
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phule_gubben

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Originally posted by old.Filip
nice to see mids resort to sweedish babbling...

It's spelled Swedish, dumbass!
 
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old.Filip

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Times have changed not an explanation.

bahhhh what ever .... you to stupid to find a way to do a real RR...

keep doing alarm clock is fine ... we just invade you lands with a pissed of mob each time ok ?

you cant defend this ...

that you try is fun though ......

and the fact that if Mids didn't do an Alarm clock raid on Albion the Str relics would still be in their hands and they would have stayed there for ever, is very hard to ignore.

this is so wrong .....

and give me power relic's anyday instead of str ... but albs have hell of a time defending those .... (not that we wouldnt try take em anyway now)
 
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Antedeluvian

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Originally posted by Sichama
So by these observations, that i challenge anyone to prove wrong, prime time raids although fun, they are something that people should avoid because in reality they only benefit the largest in population realm and things just become stale and boring not to mention that servers crush making the game unplayable for all.

LOL, do u realisce that only mids avoid primetime raids?

Get a fucking clue, honorless bag of rubbish.
 
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asar

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lol

Originally posted by phule_gubben
It's spelled Swedish, dumbass!

ja dat vond ik dus ook dombo :D maar ja ga jij maar lekker je eigen taaltje praten.. als je er niet meer uit komt in het Engels omdat je gewoon niks tegen onzo alb threads / posts kunt in brengen... want het is allemaal waar...

de enige mensen die ik kan respecteren uit midgard zijn Larc, en De Bokkerijders! Gewoon omdat jullie ook Nederlands zijn.. nouja larc niet maar dies cool :D

:bazbeer:
:bazbeer:
 
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Sichama

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Just a few things more because new posts appear in the time i type mine.

a) The old days are dead, as will this ones be when the new expansion hit the shelfs, i know you probably don't like it but it's the truth.
b) Server crushed last night this by itself proves that Excalibur can't handle large numbers of players in the same zone, maybe if Hibs didn't decide to take a part at it this wouldn't happen, but think of it any time a realm doesn't like the outcome a RR between the other two realms will have they only need to log as many as possible in the frontiers untill the server crushes, which at this point isn't many.
c) this is a game no action can be called cowardly or brave or honorable or anything because there are absolutely no consequences for your actions. Anyone can be brave or honorable with no consequences, anyway some would argue that taking every benefit you can for yourself isnt the cowards way but the smart way.
 
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old.Reno

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with todays relic forces those "uber guards" arent really any problem anylonger, might was before SC and capped resists came in
The uber guards of today and then are quite different.
Any buffed and well equiped main tank can probably solo or duo one of those old Uber guards, today's casters can probably do the same.
I don't know if you tried fighting any of the present uber guards belonging to a lvl 10 keep, but as a caster you can all but forget about damaging one. Tanking one isn't very funny/easy either.

On the last succesfull Hibbie RR, we had 3 or 4 guards that had to be killed before the last of the forces ( about 6-7 fg) could leave Grallar. That little fight took us over 15 minutes to resolve. We had finally left Grallar when only about a minute later we got the msg that the relic had been placed in Dagda.

Danita
 
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Sichama

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Re: Re: Serious issues with last RR attempt

Originally posted by Antedeluvian
LOL, do u realisce that only mids avoid primetime raids?

Get a fucking clue, honorless bag of rubbish.

Ofcourse they do, but to enlighten you of why as it seems you need some fucking clues...

a) Albs are the largest realm in population so they benefit from prime time raids and obviously they will try and enforce them.
b) Hibs are hostages of the power relics, they are so afraid they will lose them and that is why they support only prime time raids, because yes they have a better change defending them if they are all online, but if Albs decide to take them they will bring as many as needed and they will either succeed or the server will crush saving the Hibs.
 
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Ace_

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Don't post meaningful threads discussing your thoughts during a time when kiddies are undoubtedly online browsing tbh
 
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phule_gubben

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Originally posted by Shrye
Now that you're at it, try swap the "a" for "å" instead, ty.

Midgård.



Try "spelt" instead, eh? :p

Spelt....

<waiting>.......

hmmm....

what should happen now then?

:confused:
 
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Divinia

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Originally posted by Sichama
By defending this so called agreement about prime time raids the only thing you do is help Albs and Mids hold on to the Relics they want, sure Hibs may hold the Power relics but this is only because no one else really want's them, and the fact that if Mids didn't do an Alarm clock raid on Albion the Str relics would still be in their hands and they would have stayed there for ever, is very hard to ignore.

be my guest and organize ur own alarmclock RR then.. not that ill show up.. but i wouldnt anyway t.t
 
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old.Sepiritz

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So Sichama would support a gamestyle where when you wake up the next day the relics will have changed hands every other day?
That, imo, would feel even more stale after a while, wouldnt you?

Any moron with a few fg can do an alarmclock raid and get away with it, there is no skill, there is no honor, there is no pride, only a few relics which the next moron will take back the following early morning..
 
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Sichama

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Divinia if you can't understand how a relic raid isn't the same as finding a group, or galla raid, or even dragon raid, what can i say.
To be honest your last comment seem like its been generated by a auto answering script...you know...

be my guest and <insert apropriate action here>.. not that ill show up.. but i wouldnt anyway t.t


Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
So Sichama would support a gamestyle where when you wake up the next day the relics will have changed hands every other day?
That, imo, would feel even more stale after a while, wouldnt you?

Any moron with a few fg can do an alarmclock raid and get away with it, there is no skill, there is no honor, there is no pride, only a few relics which the next moron will take back the following early morning..

No having things change regularly isn't my definition of stale or boring on the contrary, and to be honest even if you are right and after a while it feels repetitive or for any reason people don't like it anymore change how things are done again, supporting a stale and boring situation just because the other one also has the potential of becoming boring shows that either you are biased or afraid of change.

DAoC is not a game that requires very skillfull playing, its quite easy imo, and i will repeat that taking pride at your honorable actions or whatever, has any real meaning if you are honorable and brave when you will have real consequences for yur actions, otherwise any moron and coward can be honorable and brave.
 
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Deskiziado

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Originally posted by Sichama

Really now does any Hib have the illusion that we can actually raid one of the other realms and especially Albion in prime time houres and succeed?


You can block doors with loads of chanters. No point try enter, 3 chanters can kill 2 FG, 10 chanters on each door can kill entire relic defend zerg.

You can easy raid albion relic power keep. Its closest to enemys tk than any other relic keep. It far from main border keep than any other relic keep.
 

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