self ownage...he had it

[old.Tohtori]

I think me and Calaen need to have our future discussions via a clever use of "i agree"

Just agree on things others say and say "i disagree" on others, might save a lot of space when taking it from a positive and not negative point of view.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

I think me and Calaen need to have our future discussions via a clever use of "i agree"

Just agree on things others say and say "i disagree" on others, might save a lot of space when taking it from a positive and not negative point of view.

Or you 2 could get a room? Last two people i saw argue THAT MUCH ended up getting married - i get it - there's an intense attraction between you.

Just fuck and get it out of the way already! If meeting up is too much effort, cam with each other or something (Cala, be sure to record it and post it up here after!).

 

[echome]

What just... nevermind - I like cake!

 

[Hawkwind]

And i know plenty of women who can hit harder than men: that doesnt proove anything and neither does you knowing no such woman proove anything either. I know men who cant hit as hard as women, that doesnt proove or show anything either.

I honestly just can't believe this. That says more about the so called men you know than anything else. I just don't get it, unless all the women you know are 6ft 4" 18 stone lumberjacks!

It's BS, Marc is absolutely right. Men are in general alot stronger than women. Unless a women is comming at you with a knife or your genuinely in fear for your life you should not punch them. No excuse for it.

 

[Garaen]

If a woman was attacking me and seriously wanted to cause me harm I wouldn't think twice about using violence to stop her.

I think it's funny that some of you think women and weak and frail, it's such an antiquated idea. Yes, genetically men have the capability to be stronger than women and generally are but when it comes to a fight it isn't all about strength. A woman has the ability to shatter someone's nose, to snap a bone by placing pressure on weak points or snapping the joint by twisting it the wrong way. They could also gouge out an eye in a split second or hit a specific weak point in the skull to knock out their "opponent", they could also be carrying a concealed weapon, etc etc. do you want me to go on?

In this thread it's a case of perspective, I assume as an ex-doorman Marc is used to dealing with pissed women on a night out (even so, the bouncers i've spoken to say that it's the women they are generally more careful of than the men), and Tris is more accused to trained women fighters.

Thinking women are weak is a joke, there are plenty of women out there who could overpowered a stronger man without an issue.

 

[TdC]

rofl its like a fight between rainman and monk fgs

fucking lol

 

[Lethul]

It's nice to know witnesses reports are worth nothing no more. It's just speculations!

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's nice to know witnesses reports are worth nothing no more. It's just speculations!

What i said was that it's possible it's exaggerated, as shown here on this thread.

Man pushing woman will get the same reaction from an eye witness.

 

[Ctuchik]

Thinking women are weak is a joke, there are plenty of women out there who could overpowered a stronger man without an issue.

that usually comes with some sort of training tho. one the average jane dont have.

 

[old.Tohtori]

that usually comes with some sort of training tho. one the average jane dont have.

Average joes these days ain't that strong either.

Times have changed and these days both sexes do mroe or less the same things.

In olden days, men would work the fields(example) and women would stay at home, so ofcourse men would become stronger.

 

[Marc]

Average joes these days ain't that strong either.

Times have changed and these days both sexes do mroe or less the same things.

In olden days, men would work the fields(example) and women would stay at home, so ofcourse men would become stronger.

So if I walked down the street and rounded up 20 females and had a strength test with each one, you are saying that the results would be 50/50?

Would they bollox. Even men who weigh the same as women will be far far stronger.

 

[Sparx]

i'd have no problems hitting a woman if she started hitting me.

If you want equality between sexes then you have to have everything equal. You women cant expect equal pay then want a man to open the door too

Wanted to be treated like a man then you will


/joke

 

[old.Tohtori]

So if I walked down the street and rounded up 20 females and had a strength test with each one, you are saying that the results would be 50/50?

Would they bollox. Even men who weigh the same as women will be far far stronger.

Well if you rounded up only 20 women, the result would be a 100 wouldn't it

Go ahead and round up 10 and 10 random people from the street, i'm interested in seeing the results.

You are saying though that ALL women are weaker. No question. Any owman can be overpowered by any man.

You should actually get a woman who is not training, not exercising and does office work, then compare to a similar male regarding strength.

 

[CorNokZ]

Was agreeing with sparx up untill the "/joke" bit

 

[Sparx]

i didnt want to offend anyone so put /joke

BNP for life

 

[soze]

As an average man is still naturally bigger than an average woman i think its fair to say he will still be naturally stronger as he will need more muscle to perform the same task as a woman.

 

[CorNokZ]

There's a reason men went hunting and women picked berries

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

So if I walked down the street and rounded up 20 females and had a strength test with each one, you are saying that the results would be 50/50?

Would they bollox. Even men who weigh the same as women will be far far stronger.

For me it comes down to this: Is the person trying to seriously harm me? Do they deserve my respect and restraint based on their actions?

Sex doesn't really enter into it. If it's a screaming chav banshee who's punched me in the face after pulling her boyfriend off her (who was kicking her on the ground), and stabbed me in the shoulder with a 6 inch (maybe more) pink stilletto heel (2 inches in - the hospital thought i'd been stabbed by a knife), i'm going to put her on the deck as quickly as possible by whatever means I feel are necessary.

If it's just a nasty argument with some pushing and shoving between two people there's no need to kick the crap out of the girl, even if she is the creature from the burberry lagoon. Just walk away.

If she crosses the line from annoyance to damage, return the favour.

Edit: Before anyone screams "pig" etc, no, i was brought up very traditionally actually - to open doors for women etc. The difference is i adapt my treatment of people based on the situation, not on some arbitary moral code someone else imposed on me back before i had hair in my happy place!

2nd Edit: Physical size and prowess usually is in the man's favour, but that doesn't mean a small woman can't injure a large bloke easily (even without hitting the family jewels) if they know a few weak spots - eyes, throat, collar bone (hooking into it), floating rib, kidney, achilles tendon, armpit, temple, ear, lip, nose - the list goes on. All these things don't require much force to seriously wreck if applied at the right angle.

 

[dub]

hitting people is stupid , deciding if you hit them based on gender is even more stupid

 

[old.Tohtori]

As an average man is still naturally bigger than an average woman i think its fair to say he will still be naturally stronger as he will need more muscle to perform the same task as a woman.

That's not actualy true.

If we took all the women in the world and all the men in the world, yes, the men would most likely lift a pyramid more.

But this is due to men being more prone to phsyical jobs/activities.

If we want to prove which sex is stronger, we need to take two people(atleast) of same habits, work, diet, etc and preferably similar genes and see which would be stronger.

Vary the study with sizes and we have our answer.

As the people we meet are random, and this depends on the habits of that individual, saying women are ofcourse weaker is false.

These days the line between genders has faded so much, that it's not so simple to distinguish old and outdated rules.

Especially wrong is to say that man can overpower any woman.

 

[Sparx]

That's not actualy true.

If we took all the women in the world and all the men in the world, yes, the men would most likely lift a pyramid more.

But this is due to men being more prone to phsyical jobs/activities.

If we want to prove which sex is stronger, we need to take two people(atleast) of same habits, work, diet, etc and preferably similar genes and see which would be stronger.

Vary the study with sizes and we have our answer.

As the people we meet are random, and this depends on the habits of that individual, saying women are ofcourse weaker is false.

These days the line between genders has faded so much, that it's not so simple to distinguish old and outdated rules.

Especially wrong is to say that man can overpower any woman.

But that isnt taking an average of both sexes. Average is to calculate all men and find the middle ground, same for women

Your doing a different experiment involving 2 people of different sexes in teh same situation, that wont prove the average male is stronger than the average female, only that both in the exact same situation will be equal

 

[noblok]

Which still isn't true.

An easy example to see if men and women "of same habits, work, diet, etc and preferably similar genes," are equally strong would be to look at professional sports. In almost every single sport the top men are faster/stronger than the top women. You can't blame this on habits, work or diet. I'm pretty sure if it was something that simple there'd be at least one woman who'd follow the 'male' regime in order to be the best at her chosen sport.

 

[soze]

That's not actualy true.

If i look at my sister and me we have similar social life's I do not do any strength building exercise and she has a more physical job. I am multitudes stronger than her mainly because i am twice her size. Every muscle in my body is built around carrying my weight as normal hers is built around carrying half that so yes i will be stronger than her even if i never train.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Fair enough; size matters in strength(both) and training(most cases) brings men more strength.

Still i'm inclined to say that if you take random men and women from the street, that the difference in strength wouldn't be so massive as to warrant a "male dominance" point of view.

In old days it would produce a more dominant result as males were in more physical activities.

Especially not an all situation warranting that any woman can be overpowered.

I hope i make some sense in what i mean.

 

[Lethul]

Men got more muscle mass don't we ? Should be enough to say "men are stronger than women". Back in the days men weren't stronger because we did more physical things, we did more physical things because we were stronger.

And exactly as I was thinking "sigh, just look at professional sport" it was mentioned.

 

[Sparx]

i'd hate to take on either of the williams sisters tho

 

[Calaen]

I'd tap Serena!

 

[Garaen]

Tohtori, men are genetically stronger than women, they have the potential for greater muscle mass and will be naturally stronger, even if they do the exact same routines (noblok's example is perfect).

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tohtori, men are genetically stronger than women, they have the potential for greater muscle mass and will be naturally stronger, even if they do the exact same routines (noblok's example is perfect).

Yes i agreed on that.

 

[Bahumat]

I'd tap Serena!

yeah me too