self ownage...he had it

[Ch3tan]

I'm with tris- here if a woman hit me I would hit her back. However, throwing someone against a window 3 times is not an appropriate response to being hit.

 

[Ctuchik]

working on it, have no fear

and you derailers... chill pill time oke:

have the treads autolock whenever they post aswell

 

[old.Tohtori]

And what if she did? Does that make it ok for him to throw her through a window?

Judging by the bit I just quoted, I take it you condone voilence towards women?

You can take it as you wish, but the truth is;

Im not in to all this "you should never hit a woman" stuff, you should never hit anyone for no reason. If a woman is running at me with a stilleto heel or something, im not going to stand there and do nothing about it. if she needs a punch in the stomach shes getting it.

And there ya go.

Human is human, no matter if it has tits or a cock.

I have never hit or even pushed anyone, not once, not even jokingly and that's saying something after 29 years.

I don't condone violence at all, but if there is violence, gender has nothing to do with it.


On the other matter;

Like i said earlier; he didn't throw her through a window, they went through a window. There's a difference.

The event might have gone;

- She attack him.
- He pushes her away once.
- She keeps coming.
- HE pushes her away stronger(since first time didn't work).
- She keeps at it.
- HE tries to pin her down to calm her and they go through the window.

If he had THROWN her through the window, he wouldn't have gone through.

 

[Marc]

I dont care if a woman hits you. Hitting a woman is fucking low. You are men, you should be able to deal with a woman easily without resorting to punching her. Its not hard to restrain a woman, no matter how big she is. Whats next? Would you lay one on a 4 year old who smacks you with some wood because after all, they are only human.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I dont care if a woman hits you. Hitting a woman is fucking low. You are men, you should be able to deal with a woman easily without resorting to punching her. Its not hard to restrain a woman, no matter how big she is. Whats next? Would you lay one on a 4 year old who smacks you with some wood because after all, they are only human.

Actually, a kid would get a visit from a treebranch if he hit me with a 2by4

4 year old knowns enough by then.

So you're saying women are weak? That women are no way as strong as men? That they need protection? Sexist pig.

 

[tris-]

I dont care if a woman hits you. Hitting a woman is fucking low. You are men, you should be able to deal with a woman easily without resorting to punching her. Its not hard to restrain a woman, no matter how big she is. Whats next? Would you lay one on a 4 year old who smacks you with some wood because after all, they are only human.

So a woman is running at you with a stilleto, a knife, a glass bottle etc, do you seriously reduce your chances of not getting injured and do something 'soft' just because its a woman? Tell me how you would restrain a woman who is trying to stab you, without using some kind of pain compliance, I would love to know that.

Fuck that to be honest. No adult should be allowed to attack another adult and get away with it just because of who they are.

 

[Marc]

Actually, a kid would get a visit from a treebranch if he hit me with a 2by4

So you're saying women are weak? That women are no way as strong as men? That they need protection? Sexist pig.

I dont care what you think you know. Women are weak. If you cant handle a woman then you need to grow some balls. of course, if it was life and death then yes, you would do anything to survice, but if a woman punches you there is no need at all to punch her back.

 

[Marc]

So a woman is running at you with a stilleto, a knife, a glass bottle etc, do you seriously reduce your chances of not getting injured and do something 'soft' just because its a woman? Tell me how you would restrain a woman who is trying to stab you, without using some kind of pain compliance, I would love to know that.

Fuck that to be honest. No adult should be allowed to attack another adult and get away with it just because of who they are.

As I have just said above, if it was life and death then thats a different matter.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Women are weak. If you cant handle a woman then you need to grow some balls.

Well glad we cleared that up

If forced to choose, i'd rather condone equal violence then think women are lesser beings.

 

[tris-]

but if a woman punches you there is no need at all to punch her back.

I do kung fu and I have been punched by the woman who also train there, and I can tell you they can hit as hard as any of the blokes in there and so can certaintly hit harder than any ordinary bloke in the street. the point is man or woman doesnt always matter. if a woman can hit as hard as a man or harder, why should you let her get away with it simply for being a woman?

ofcourse the sensible thing is not be hit in the first place, and move out the way.

Im not saying you go around attacking women, but people who do also think like you: that all women are weak and can be controlled by any man. This is simply not the case, and im glad I train with women who might one day show people like that a lesson.

 

[Marc]

I do kung fu and I have been punched by the woman who also train there, and I can tell you they can hit as hard as any of the blokes in there. the point is man or woman doesnt always matter. if a woman can hit as hard as a man, why should you let her get away with it simply for being a woman?

ofcourse the sensible thing is not be hit in the first place, and move out the way.

Because there are things you just dont do. You are talking about exceptions to the rule here. How many people are going to have a kung fu girlfriend. I dont know of any woman who can hit anywhere near as hard as a man and I know plenty. Because in the main, women are weak and cant throw a punch to save their lives. But yeah, if my 8 stone wet girlfriend, who struggles to lift the shopping, decides to punch me for what ever reason, I will make sure I smash her face in as its only fair.

 

[soze]

Like i said earlier; he didn't throw her through a window, they went through a window. There's a difference.

The event might have gone;

- She attack him.
- He pushes her away once.
- She keeps coming.
- HE pushes her away stronger(since first time didn't work).
- She keeps at it.
- HE tries to pin her down to calm her and they go through the window.

If he had THROWN her through the window, he wouldn't have gone through.

Not saying you are wrong but that does not work for me as these windows are not weak and will not give out if he was holding her against it calming her down. I would think he hit her against it but as it broke he lost his balance and went though. But we will never know unless cctv is released.

As for hitting women I have been in a fight with a girl that ended with me getting six stitches, and all i did to her was hold her arms and trip her over. All my life i have been told that hitting women is the lowest of the low so at no point when she was hitting me did i consider punching her or anything other than grabbing her hands.

 

[tris-]

And i know plenty of women who can hit harder than men: that doesnt proove anything and neither does you knowing no such woman proove anything either. I know men who cant hit as hard as women, that doesnt proove or show anything either.

It is mens attitude like that which leads them to rape people or attack woman for no reason in my opinnion. You cannot assume all woman are weak as shit and you can over power them. I train with one such girl who is about 5ft and probably weighs about 6st. I am the biggest in the class at 6ft2 and 13.5st and she can overpower me if needs be.

and btw Im not saying punch a woman in the face just because she punches you, thats hardly self defence is it? Im saying you should not assume all woman are weaklings, because one day one of them will break your arm or smash your face to bits, and then who will be laughing? Im also saying you should not just let women get away with attacking people simply for being a woman, but that doesnt necessarily involve smashing their face in does it? A woman could lose the plot just like a man could, get rid mist and pumped with adrenaline. In such a case you will need to stop her somehow and its probably not to easy to get in and hold a woman who is swinging a broken bottle around or a knife.

 

[soze]

I'm not saying women are weak or that I can over power them but because of how i have been raised I did not even think about defending myself the way i would vs a man. I'm not saying its wrong or right it just might explain why some people think it is so wrong to lay hands on a woman.

 

[Marc]

Im a man. One punch would smash her face in. You can defend yourself easily against a woman without needing to punch her. I worked the doors for best part of 3 years. Ive had tens of women attack me and didnt feel the need to punch any of them back and neither did any of my fellow doormen who were of the same mentality as me.

As for the rapist comment lol. So men who dont believe in voilence towards women are now rapists?

 

[tris-]

I'm not saying women are weak or that I can over power them but because of how i have been raised I did not even think about defending myself the way i would vs a man. I'm not saying its wrong or right it just might explain why some people think it is so wrong to lay hands on a woman.

So what do you do if she is swinging a weapon at you? Man or woman, when pumped with adrenaline its not as simple as saying "calm down love".

 

[tris-]

Im a man. One punch would smash her face in. You can defend yourself easily against a woman without needing to punch her. I worked the doors for best part of 3 years. Ive had tens of women attack me and didnt feel the need to punch any of them back and neither did any of my fellow doormen who were of the same mentality as me.

As for the rapist comment lol. So men who dont believe in voilence towards women are now rapists?

Did I say that? Not that I can see, and if i said it by mistake then I of course didnt intend to say it. What I actually said if you care to read it, is that people who rape or attack women MAY think in the same way as you: that all women are easy targets.

And what is it with always punching the woman, where did I ever say that? I said you should not let a woman get away with being violent simply for being a woman. You shouldnt just stand there and let a woman batter you just because shes a woman. She needs restraining or taking to the floor, but she sould not just be allowed to attack people.

 

[soze]

So what do you do if she is swinging a weapon at you? Man or woman, when pumped with adrenaline its not as simple as saying "calm down love".

She was a pool cue hence i ending up with a black eye six stitches and a fucking sore arm. And i walked into her hitting me garbed her arm grabbed her other arm then tripped her over. When the bouncers showed up they took her away. I suffered no long term harm apart from my mates ripping the piss.

 

[tris-]

She was a pool cue hence i ending up with a black eye six stitches and a fucking sore arm. And i walked into her hitting me garbed her arm grabbed her other arm then tripped her over. When the bouncers showed up they took her away. I suffered no long term harm apart from my mates ripping the piss.

There you go: youj tripped her over, and I can only guess that she hit the floor unless you placed her down there. Therfore she suffered some level of pain to make her comply. So it wasnt as simple as saying "calm down love": you had to do something and just standing there was not an option.

Which I have been saying all along.

 

[soze]

There you go: youj tripped her over, and I can only guess that she hit the floor unless you placed her down there. So it wasnt as simple as saying "calm down love": you had to do something and just standing there was not an option.

Which I have been saying all along.

I had hold of her arms so yes i laid her on the floor rather than just tripping and letting her fall.

I agree with you you can't just let them kill you but i think the severity of his actions are what leads me to believe he is abusive.

 

[Marc]

Did I say that? Not that I can see, and if i said it by mistake then I of course didnt intend to say it. What I actually said if you care to read it, is that people who rape or attack women MAY think in the same way as you: that all women are easy targets.

And what is it with always punching the woman, where did I ever say that? I said you should not let a woman get away with being violent simply for being a woman. You shouldnt just stand there and let a woman batter you just because shes a woman. She needs restraining or taking to the floor, but she sould not just be allowed to attack people.

Ive never said you should let a woman get away with it. Ive just said from the start you should restrain them, rather than beat them up. Its been you thats determined to prove otherwise.

But if you feel the need to get revenge on a woman who punches you, by doing the same to her, then in my opinion you're a low life. Thats just my opinion though, everyones differ.

 

[tris-]

What I have been saying is the woman should be defended against in the appropriate way, that being anything from restraining to hitting. You keep using terms like beat up smash in, that is not what im talking about as that is nothing to do with defending your self (at least from my own learning). You could smash someone in the solar plexus once and take them down with no lasting damage of any kind, for example. Maybe this is why you are misunderstanding me. I could easily launch someone in to the pavement head first, which id say is smashing them in, but that isnt what im talking about. Infact i would probably get done by the police for murder or something.

Im not talking about revenge either, if you thought i was? im talking about self defence only.

 

[Marc]

What I have been saying is the woman should be defended against in the appropriate way, that being anything from restraining to hitting. You keep using terms like beat up smash in, that is not what im talking about as that is nothing to do with defending your self (at least from my own learning). Maybe this is why you are misunderstanding me.

Well considering you questioned me about hitting a woman when i said you should never hit one, bringing hypothetical situations into the conversation about a woman comming at you with a weapon. based on this, yes, I assumed you have been talking about hitting a woman since the start.

Look, lets just agree to disagree. My view is that you should never hit a woman, regardless of circumstances. Your view is different. ok?

 

[tris-]

My view is that you should treat the woman in an appropriate manner to defend your self, which may or may not involve some kind of hit to them. But im not talking about smashing in or beating people up. I want to clarify that before someone calls me a woman beater or something.

 

[Marc]

My view is that you should treat the woman in an appropriate manner to defend your self, which may or may not involve some kind of hit to them. But im not talking about smashing in or beating people up. I want to clarify that before someone calls me a woman beater or something.

Lay off the stella then

 

[tris-]

You fucking want some you ****

 

[Calaen]

But what if she assaulted you first, is it wrong to defend your self?

Im not in to all this "you should never hit a woman" stuff, you should never hit anyone for no reason. If a woman is running at me with a stilleto heel or something, im not going to stand there and do nothing about it. if she needs a punch in the stomach shes getting it.

No mate, But I consider myself to be someone that would walk away after the initial confrontation to avoid any reaction, my primary goal would be to restrain.

The guy may well have been atatcked first, and he may well have reacted, however it appears to have been a very big over reaction. Like I said who knows the details, she might have been banging his dad or something, but still slamming someone three times agaisnt a window in my eyes is not on par with anything.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ive never said you should let a woman get away with it. Ive just said from the start you should restrain them, rather than beat them up.

And that's very well possible that happened in this case.

The man felt like you, didn't want to punch her, but to push her away.

Afterall, you're saying this is better then him just knocking her out?

Funny thing is, most abusive men think like you, not like me or tris-. That women are weak.

Bullsh*t way to think to be honest.

The guy may well have been atatcked first, and he may well have reacted, however it appears to have been a very big over reaction. Like I said who knows the details, she might have been banging his dad or something, but still slamming someone three times agaisnt a window in my eyes is not on par with anything.

Then again, imagine your wife telling you she's been f*cking your brother(or to some extent like that). Could it be possible you'd snap and push her hard enough? And would it be equally bad if you pushed your brother through a window?

I think it was you who said "never say never"

 

[Calaen]

Pushing someone against a window is not an appropriate attempt at restraining someone, you are merely giving them more of a reason to come back at you. I am sure Tris can confirm in situations like this it's about keeping your cool and lowering the chances of the situation getting out of control. These windows are not normal windows they are heavy duty stuff, the slams must have with force and with more intention than just getting her away from him.

As for the getting angry thing, yup would probably be very angry, aggressive? no chance, I have not been brought up like that, I watched my mother get battered from pillar to post through various relationships growing up and it hardened my personal views even more. Violence is never the answer, walking away from said hypothetical situation gains me more than any violent reaction would.

 

[CorNokZ]

It's coming

...so there's no need for any kind of storm

no?