self ownage...he had it

[old.Tohtori]

As for the getting angry thing, yup would probably be very angry, aggressive? no chance, I have not been brought up like that, I watched my mother get battered from pillar to post through various relationships growing up and it hardened my personal views even more. Violence is never the answer, walking away from said hypothetical situation gains me more than any violent reaction would.

Interesting coming from you.

Guess you CAN know things for a 100% certainty then

That aside, like i said earlier, i've never condoned violence nor have i ever done anything remotely violent to any living being.

That doesn't mean this guy was an abusive man, situation is; unknown. Only facts are the results.

Could be a faulty glass etc. HEll, they drop cars on the heavy duty glass and if it breaks from a push? We also have to take into consideration that eye-witness saying "he slammed her against the window" is more then likely exaggaration, especially since it's a man pushing a woman

And, ofcourse, i don't see women in any special, less or better, situation then men, regarding anything. So if there is a fight, i don't care if it's a woman and man, man and man, or two females.

No wait, scratch that, catfights are an exception

Oh and FYI; Marc, you claiming i condone beating women is a cockmove.

 

[Calaen]

No the difference is I could choose to be violent if I wanted to, howver I wuopld take the high ground because it serves a better purpose. If said wife slept with said brother, the maily - friends would pretty much disown them, I would get a lot of tail based on the fact I was hard done by and a stand up guy win = win.

He didnt push her against the window esle he would not have went through with her.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No the difference is I could choose to be violent if I wanted to, howver I wuopld take the high ground because it serves a better purpose. If said wife slept with said brother, the maily - friends would pretty much disown them, I would get a lot of tail based on the fact I was hard done by and a stand up guy win = win.

He didnt push her against the window esle he would not have went through with her.

Still you can't, by your own definition, say that you can't snap like that. HAsn't happened, can't know for sure. You might as well chop your wifes head with a machete.

He didn't throw her either. They went through the window. He pressed her against it?

 

[Calaen]

No mate look at the facts just for once, take away all of the hypothetical shit that we have been throwing around in this thread.

Two people arguing, witness saw said man banging said female off window, meaning they were in close prximity to one another. These front shop windows need a good old slam to break, which is why it probably took more than slam for it to happen.

As for the 100% thing, I am in no way shape or form saying my mind is ever 100% made up, I am giving you my reaction to said situation, having been on the end of a partner cheating on me and my reaction when I found out.

 

[dub]

I dont care if a woman hits you. Hitting a woman is fucking low. You are men, you should be able to deal with a woman easily without resorting to punching her. Its not hard to restrain a woman, no matter how big she is. Whats next? Would you lay one on a 4 year old who smacks you with some wood because after all, they are only human.

this is not a gender issue , you shouldnt hit anything , doesnt matter what sex it have , you should be able to deal with other humans easily without resorting to punching them.

i dont care who hits you , hitting a human is fucking low.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No mate look at the facts just for once, take away all of the hypothetical shit that we have been throwing around in this thread.

Two people arguing, witness saw said man banging said female off window, meaning they were in close prximity to one another. These front shop windows need a good old slam to break, which is why it probably took more than slam for it to happen.

As for the 100% thing, I am in no way shape or form saying my mind is ever 100% made up, I am giving you my reaction to said situation, having been on the end of a partner cheating on me and my reaction when I found out.

I am looking at the facts, most the time i ONLY look at facts, which causes problems i know.

- Couple were fighting.
- Couple went through glass.
- Man died.
- Heavy duty glass doesn't break on close proximity pushing/shoving/banging.

That's it. If he threw, pushed, showed, pressed, came on her with manjuice with such pressure, that she went through the glass...speculation. As such, none of us on this thread are right, which is why we speculate.

That 100% part is a cop-out and you know it

"I'm not saying it's 100%, but this is how i would act". Does not cut it.

Wife cheating and gf cheating is quite different from what i've heard.

 

[Calaen]

That 100% part is a cop-out and you know it

"I'm not saying it's 100%, but this is how i would act". Does not cut it.

Wife cheating and gf cheating is quite different from what i've heard.

I am going on how my response has been in the past, and going of yuor example which stated girlfriend cheating. Which I gave you the way I responded when faced with the situation based on actual fact.

If it happens again who knows my point is I am making is my reaction to anykind violence is to remove myself from it's vacinity. In the same breath if someone ever tried to hurt my daughter I would be in grave danger of being sent to prison, because I would kill someone before they hurt her.

Your trying to use your own weird argument on me , when I have been quoted as saying I will try anything once, if I feel like I will gets something out of it, I will change my mind on a whim and I will live as free as I want to, everything I do I do becaue I make my own mind up at every given junction. I don't pretend to decide everything 40 years in advance, and my reasoning for not attacking a girlfriend is totally plausible I grew up watching it and men that hit women are weak.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And me saying marriage is not for me, is the same.

You won't hit your wife EVER, i won't get married.

Glad we cleared that up, now back on topic.

 

[Cadelin]

I am looking at the facts, most the time i ONLY look at facts, which causes problems i know.

- Couple were fighting.
- Couple went through glass.
- Man died.
- Heavy duty glass doesn't break on close proximity pushing/shoving/banging.

FAIL

Lets read the article again:

The pair were seen arguing in London's West End shortly after 2am.

Witnesses told police the man threw the woman against the window of a branch of the US clothing brand Banana Republic up to three times.

After several blows, the glass shattered and the pair fell through, leaving the man fatally wounded.

At no point in the article does it say that the woman hit the man so to describe it as "Couple were fighting." is speculation on your part.

 

[old.Tohtori]

FAIL

Lets read the article again:


At no point in the article does it say that the woman hit the man so to describe it as "Couple were fighting." is speculation on your part.

Fail?

Arguing.

Only thing posted was the "Witnesses told police the man threw the woman against the window".

Ofcourse the rest is speculation, but arguing can be fighting too.

Lack of info on all parts.

 

[megadave]

If you attack a woman for whatever reason, you deserve to die? Go FH!

 

[fettoken]

I can't see Tohtori failing in his argument, as i have to agree with him 100%.

That doesn't mean this guy was an abusive man, situation is; unknown. Only facts are the results.

Could be a faulty glass etc. HEll, they drop cars on the heavy duty glass and if it breaks from a push? We also have to take into consideration that eye-witness saying "he slammed her against the window" is more then likely exaggaration, especially since it's a man pushing a woman

And, ofcourse, i don't see women in any special, less or better, situation then men, regarding anything. So if there is a fight, i don't care if it's a woman and man, man and man, or two females.

This..

 

[Calaen]

He put her through window (FACT)

This means he was being physically abusive to another human being (FACT)

He died because of his acions (FACT)

There needs to be no further theory crafting.

 

[old.Tohtori]

He put her through window (FACT)

This means he was being physically abusive to another human being (FACT)

He died because of his acions (FACT)

There needs to be no further theory crafting.

Abusive human being and "an abusive man" are two different concepts. First meaning someone is physical, and second meaning a cockbastard.

Furthermore; He needs to be violent, not abusive.

Also a fact is that THEY went through the window, not that he put her through it.

 

[Bugz]

 

[Calaen]

Abusive human being and "an abusive man" are two different concepts. First meaning someone is physical, and second meaning a cockbastard.

Furthermore; He needs to be violent, not abusive.

Also a fact is that THEY went through the window, not that he put her through it.

Of course he put her through it for god sake, a witness saw him slamming her off it (FACT), she went through it first (him putting her through it) Stop trying to change the facts to suit your stance.

Physical violence/abuse is no different don't try and make it sound like it is.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Of course he put her through it for god sake, a witness saw him slamming her off it (FACT), she went through it first (him putting her through it) Stop trying to change the facts to suit your stance.

Physical violence/abuse is no different don't try and make it sound like it is.

Most likely combined weight that put them through it.

Wasn't his intention to do so (most likely).

Last point; so you're saying a guy hitting another guy in a bar is the same kind of abuse definition as a man beating his wife?

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Actually...dumber brutes would less likely go through.

Correct. Many people think that it's movie-style (e.g. terminator) where you can go through glass with no ill effects. Wrong!

Going through a window at speed (particularly high-strength glass such as plate or similar) will lacerate you deeply and nastily. ...

Incidentally going through a window is particuarly nasty on a limb because your veins and arterys mostly run along the limb from end-end, so a long cut that hits one is likely to open up a long gash that can't be closed / applied pressure to easily, whereas a sideways cut will usually only sever it at one point (admittedly hits more tendons & ligaments, but severing one of those is rarely fatal - just unpleasent and dibilitating (sp?)).

 

[Calaen]

Most likely combined weight that put them through it.

Wasn't his intention to do so (most likely).

Last point; so you're saying a guy hitting another guy in a bar is the same kind of abuse definition as a man beating his wife?

Im talking about facts your talking about possibly and what if's, any man/woman hitting another man/woman is violence and it's abusive.

The window would not have went through if they had leant on it, it was more than that as witnessed. How do we know his intentions?

In a fight but it's exactly the same, you could have a 6 foot, 20 stone guy beating on a 5 foot, 10 stone geek. You cannot seperate a violent/abusive act based on whatever sex because that is being sexist.

Alot of Men are scared of reporting physical violence to the police because they are embarassed by it all, fact is it happens and it's no different which ever sex is on the receiving end.

If your going to reply with more half baked shit please don't bother, the thread kinda got derailed with alot of if's and but's and if it's going to continue down those lines I won't be replying anymore.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Im talking about facts your talking about possibly and what if's, any man/woman hitting another man/woman is violence and it's abusive.

The window would not have went through if they had leant on it, it was more than that as witnessed. How do we know his intentions?

In a fight but it's exactly the same, you could have a 6 foot, 20 stone guy beating on a 5 foot, 10 stone geek. You cannot seperate a violent/abusive act based on whatever sex because that is being sexist.

Alot of Men are scared of reporting physical violence to the police because they are embarassed by it all, fact is it happens and it's no different which ever sex is on the receiving end.

If your going to reply with more half baked shit please don't bother, the thread kinda got derailed with alot of if's and but's and if it's going to continue down those lines I won't be replying anymore.

Your facts are opinionated, not exact facts.

Exact facts are;

- They went through the window (not "he put her through"). His actions may have caused it, but they both went through it.
- There was an argument that involved physical contact. That is all.
- He died.(this was correct on your fact list)

So you agree, hitting a woman, man, man hitting woman, woman hitting man, equal violence? You can no more bring size, then sex, into it mind you.

Violence is violence, abusive behaviour is different as it's not simply someone hitting another.

Oh and i've kept it on the topic, so don't try and bring that shit into it. If you can't be polite, i won't bother with you.

 

[Ezteq]

rofl jesus 6 pages? seriously; 6 pages to say the same thing over and over again...


you guys lol god bless your obsessive little hearts.

 

[Calaen]

Your facts are opinionated, not exact facts.

Exact facts are;

- They went through the window (not "he put her through"). His actions may have caused it, but they both went through it.
- There was an argument that involved physical contact. That is all.
- He died.(this was correct on your fact list)

So you agree, hitting a woman, man, man hitting woman, woman hitting man, equal violence? You can no more bring size, then sex, into it mind you.

Violence is violence, abusive behaviour is different as it's not simply someone hitting another.

Oh and i've kept it on the topic, so don't try and bring that shit into it. If you can't be polite, i won't bother with you.

A witness saw him slamming her off the fucking window, you fucking ignorant of all fucking facts bellend, god you really are a fucking wind up merchant.

PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AND PHYSICAL ABUSE ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING!!!

You are causing someone harm being violent/abusive.

Who's talking about what/who and whatever??? I know females that would bite your face off if you fucked with them, they are no more or less dangerous than a dangerous man who would do the same. Every act can be carried out by someone of any size, I am sure a specific size and weight are not a requirement to be a lunatic.

 

[old.Tohtori]

A witness saw him slamming her off the fucking window, you fucking ignorant of all fucking facts bellend, god you really are a fucking wind up merchant.

PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AND PHYSICAL ABUSE ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING!!!

You are causing someone harm being violent/abusive.

Who's talking about what/who and whatever??? I know females that would bite your face off if you fucked with them, they are no more or less dangerous than a dangerous man who would do the same. Every act can be carried out by someone of any size, I am sure a specific size and weight are not a requirement to be a lunatic.

So you agree with what i've said about equal violence, good to know.

Now why exactly are you arguing it?

Basic definitions differentiate violence and abuse. For example; man is charged of being abusive to his wife, or a man and woman were fighting.

Also the facts you stated were opinionated, not exact. I stated the exact facts. The witness saying "he pushed her against the window repeatedly" is another fact, it doesn't make "he threw her through" a fact, the two going through the window most likely due to the mans actions, is a fact.

And since you are being like that, we're done.

 

[Ezteq]

omg lol stoppit!!!

rofl its like a fight between rainman and monk fgs

someone call a mod before toothpicks get dissarranged and they all start making that wierd monotonous yelling noise and rocking back and forth.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The only off-topic here is the people screaming to stop discussions EQ.

 

[Calaen]

It's all your fault Ez!!!!

 

[Ezteq]

piss off the pair of you its my thread I started it... no wait...this is brilliant yes!!

carry on,both team up and flame me! It'll be a new era, next thing you know you'll be stepping on cracks in the pavement and wearing mismatched socks, who knows tomorrow could even see you leaving the house!...yes, yes, have at me you devil dogs!!

...anything but the 'but its ok to hit a gal if she hits you first...no its never ok' arguement I beg you!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

...anything but the 'but its ok to hit a gal if she hits you first...no its never ok' arguement I beg you!!

Actually me and Calaen weren't discussing that.

 

[Calaen]

I concur with the above post!

 

[Ezteq]

god knows what you were discussing tbh i zoned out at page 4...


i just wanted to make the crack about rainman and monk tbh, been practicing it for weeks.