Scouts Vs other archer classes

[thagran]

Not a whinge just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed

As a scout I've noticed how much better the other 2 archer classes are now especially since hunters got their upgrades.

I've slammed and got bow shots off on both other archer classes before they've even touched me and still lost out simply because of their vastly better h2h and not sure if its just me but I seem to be hitting for alot less with my bow against other archer classes than they do against me.
Afaik the main thing with scouts and rangers Vs hunters was supposed to be our bow damage but since the upgrade hunters seem to be hitting me for nearly around what is my normal damage cap with a longbow.

On top of this just had a fight with a hunter who hit me for more damage with their spear than an SB normally does I was hit for 420,320 and 360 I think and would have died but for some help.
This was after I surprised them slammed them and got off 2 bow shots.
My normal damage as a scout with my sword if I'm really lucky and land a style is around 100 max and 40 unstyled compared with a ranger and even more so a hunter this is pathetic.
And yes I have a shield to slam with but as it stands now landing a slam and getting off bow shots doesnt make any difference vs other archer classes you still die once engaged in h2h.

As a side note I'm unbuffed so maybe you buffed archers can say if you find it any different as well.


Swifteagle

 

[old.Mitsu]

How is your melee resists?

 

[thagran]

Havent got my SC suit made yet so still a bit below those with an SC suit but my melee resists are still in the 22-23% range.

Swifteagle

 

[censi]

The Hunter pets well take the piss.

Make it sumonable FFS, but not an insta.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by censi
Make it sumonable FFS, but not an insta.

And the point of the pet would be what, then?

The very reason they got an insta pet was because it negated stealth to have a pet follow you around, making it summonable wont exactly change that will it?

 

[Tranquil-]

Hunters are supposed to have the pet with them at all times. It's a part of the balancing of the class. You are SUPPOSED to fight both the pet and the Hunter.

 

[Juanita]

Make the pet stealth/unstealth with the hunter?

 

[Tranquil-]

Lots of hassle with pets warping through stealth and into keepguards while the hunter is scouting.

 

[ricky_latino]

hunters and rangers usaly spec high in mele...
whats your spec?... figgures

and no(to the topic), the only stealth class with specable shield in the game is something.... ofcourse you are gonna notice that if you solo unbuffed selbuffs > no buffs ofcourse

 

[Tranquil-]

Oh the misconceptions....

 

[thagran]

Well with RR and added skills my slash skill is at 40atm but after doing some testing on the test server and speccing fully 50 with slash I did no more damage than having my slash at 29.
Seems like scouts have their sword damage capped at around what a caster hits for with his staff

Swifteagle

 

[belth]

Once in a blue moon I agree with Censi and this is one of those times... The pet's a bloody 50% damage-add, why not just give them one instead of a pet?

Random_hunter hits you for 200 with his spear!
You are hit for 100 extra damage!

 

[old.Tdaer]

Ok so here the lowdown -

Solo vs RVR -

Solo Rangers > Hunters > Scout - Due to the fact that well Purge ownz slam and that means dead scout. Hunters just suck in general - altho the pets do help alot.

Group wise Scouts are a little more useful .. but still suck really. Rangers get excellent damage with great recurve, altho most rangers these days spec high melee.

In gerenal best of the arcer classes are rangers ..

just my opinion.

 

[Spamb0t]

bah.. i like never ever hit for above 100 dmg styled when one of me blades swings.. and ive got 39 blade spec.. and dmg is about 40-55 +10-20dmgadd unstyled.. and scouts do seem to block alot.. atleast vs me... !


and ye remove the god damn hunter insta pet "¤&=)&"
if they want a pet then run around with it all the time ffs

 

[Tranquil-]

I vote envenom new specline for scouts! :F

 

[old.Filip]

Even though i know it is flamable area to post in i would like to say that i think scout's got the potential to be the best group archer..

acting as slam bot /assist bot for a caster .. or 2 scouts duoing in same group..

most of the time i have good experince in grouping with scouts even though they are solo spec'ed 99% of the time

Filip

Minser of HB

 

[skile]

Originally posted by old.Filip
Even though i know it is flamable area to post in i would like to say that i think scout's got the potential to be the best group archer..

acting as slam bot /assist bot for a caster .. or 2 scouts duoing in same group..

most of the time i have good experince in grouping with scouts even though they are solo spec'ed 99% of the time

Filip

Minser of HB

What is a solospec? Cause I'm gonna spec 50 bow and all RA's in bow damage/speed. Gives me under 3 sec with heavylongbow and 40+ enchancebuffs. This volley, TS and longshot should make me decent in group. Hopefully I'll get one..

 

[old.Filip]

What is a solospec?

stealth ... and low melee

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

A hunter could be much better in a group than a scout, simply cause you send pet in to annoy the bard for example. You can use the pet to keep a caster class busy for a bit.. or atleast make them use qc..
We are weaker at the moment, but hunters just got a boost, remember that... Oaklief still believes Mythic knows there is a scout class, and that we will get some loving sometime soon..

I do not want to be a group scout... nor do most assasins want to group.. I see nothing wrong with having some solo classes. I also do not think Mythic will every make scouts a good solo character. Simply because Sanya/Mythic thinks it is wrong that a scout can solo a lvl 44 blue conned caster....
Regards, Glottis

 

[old.Odysseus]

Originally posted by skile
This volley, TS and longshot should make me decent in group. Hopefully I'll get one..

No worries, you wont.

Scouts ought to have runspeed - also in stealth ( some 10% above normal, below sprintspeed).
Unstealthed, a scout should supply caster speed to the group.

Maybe even add a 16 sec pbt. Then u have a groupfriendly char

 

[soth-zorena]

hunter archers aussie gimp imo.. all tho he kill me alot /cry

 

[Aussie-]

After my respec and when we had our relics i melee dueled 3 zerkers(1 rr5 1 rr6 and 1 rr7 ).
i won all fights, pure melee, no bow , no active RA's.
I could even take out low rank heros.
i really wanna see a hunter or ranger melee kill tanks.
(I have +60shield , +50 slash)

 

[gunner440]

reason why most scouts r "shit" is that nearly all of them go 50 longbow and not even 20 melee skill.....

nowadays as a solo scout u need the melee skill as the longbow has become more of a secondary weapon if you solo (shadowblades + purge etc).

in group scouts ARE very useful if played correctly. NO NOT RUN IN AND MELEE U R NOT TANKS. scouts have bows, so should use them and bowdmg > any form of melee dmg plus u get uber range.

scenario 1. fg albs v fg hibs and scout popping arrows into drood = hibs dead if the rest of the group do their respective jobs.

but also it's not just a case of popping arrows everywhere, u have to find a good place to pop arrows from i.e get to high ground for example hillsides as theres some weird bug which gives u more range if you are on higher ground

oh and watch out for pets ^^

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Most scouts do not go 50 longbow, that used to be the old school spec. After see hidden most scouts now get around 35 stealth, 42 shield, 35 slash/thrust, 40 longbow, take or give a few points in certain skills.
Once I get over the idea I have that scouts are a solo class, I will respec to 1 stealth, and increase my longbow, shield, and slash.
Damn Mythic for screwing over scouts.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Flimgoblin]

scouts are good group support - especially if they have 42 in shield...

it's a lot better to pepper that manabomb with arrows than to chop with a sword

and they can protect casters with 42 shield - slambots!

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
and they can protect casters with 42 shield - slambots!

yea but normally that's the paladin's job.. scouts only do it in extreme emergencies

 

[Gekul]

I find it hard to believe a hunter is hitting you for more with his bow than you do. Most hunters spec highly in spear (39 or 44 base) and you have to remember the delay on their spears when considering how much they hit you for.
The hunter's insta-pet is part of it's balancing, and because it's insta it will mostly be unbuffed.

 

[Evoric_]

Unlike rangers and huntres, scouts actually have a use in a good rvr group. They work as slightly weaker slam/guard tanks, with the ability to do damage at range when needed.

 

[xajorkith]

I know In BG1 Nockie the Scout completely owned me.... pet does sweet FA when ya 1500 loc away and you've been crit hit...

I would say in BG1 the scout was my worst nightmare.... no other char could solo me as efficiently... mind you if I caught a scout first .....

 

[loxleyhood]

I can't kill a hunter if they have a pet because they will use it to interupt me, and then scewer me with a spear.

I can't kill a ranger if they melee me because shield isn't much good vs. dual wield.

However as long as I can keep my distance I beat them most of the time.

There are always exceptions to these rules though.