scout guarding. POCgrp canceled. read this

[Eldoras^^]

K the grp will be disbanded, Cus of "vladimir" Waffo, who thinks that scouts can't guard Cus thay dont have platearmor and die easier...

stupiedest thing iv'e ever heard tbh.

but anyway unless i dont get a new wizy to the grp it will be disbanded sorry about this.

Blame it all on Vladimir "Waffo"

" http://tjernqvist.se/daoc/ss/sshot019.jpg "

"get yourself a less FOTM char"

Waffo is a Sorc.

 

[Bubble]

Sorry but your the ass here. Its his choice if he doesn't want to join a group because he doesn't believe the exp will be fast enough to justify his presence.
Scouts don't make good Guards due to the number of Mobs they can block(with a small shield you can only block 1) Which makes them much worse than a 'real' blockbot (Paladin,Armsman,Reaver) As a blockbot your required to also tank the 2 or 3 mobs that the paladin can't grab.
Not only that but scouts don't have protect etc, just don't make as good tanks as the rest.


Edit- I wouldn't accept a Scout +Leech in a pbaoe group, i don't think anyone else on the server would either.

 

[Eldoras^^]

well if u guard, it dosen't rly matter if u have large shiled or small shiled. there is a HUGE difference between guarding and actually tank the mobs. dosent matter if u have large shiled or small shiled if u Guard.

So imho. Scouts are very good "guarders". more dex etc. and since iv'e guarded with scout before in a POC grp I know it works.

 

[Valgyr]

Well if the concern is the number of mobs the guarder can tank then ok its true but with guard small shield doesnt matter, protect is nice but prot on cleric is enough with pally as protecter. small shield with guard=1000000000000000000000000000000 mobs guarded same with large shield of d00m no differance, the plus scout has is higher dex.

And here he wasnt bringing a leech as blocker. but its my m8 so im based still had both 50 shield spec luri hero and 42 shield spec champ, and almost only used small shield unless i was tanking some serious numbers of mobs myself.

 

[necromania]

well if u guard, it dosen't rly matter if u have large shiled or small shiled. there is a HUGE difference between guarding and actually tank the mobs. dosent matter if u have large shiled or small shiled if u Guard.

So imho. Scouts are very good "guarders". more dex etc. and since iv'e guarded with scout before in a POC grp I know it works.

can bring 40 pala 40+8 shield and MoB 2 if you like ;O

 

[Mikah75]

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too right, they're small shield doesnt cut it
i wouldnt either

 

[Aoln]

My blockrate > most paladins by quite a long shot, and my af, abs, ws ect doesnt matter when im just a blockbot since the main paladin has all aggro and size of shield doesnt matter with guard

It's only misinformed newbs who dont know simpe stuff like this, would you really want to group with them anyway ? ;d

 

[Bubble]

well if u guard, it dosen't rly matter if u have large shiled or small shiled. there is a HUGE difference between guarding and actually tank the mobs. dosent matter if u have large shiled or small shiled if u Guard.

So imho. Scouts are very good "guarders". more dex etc. and since iv'e guarded with scout before in a POC grp I know it works.

Its the players choice, he wasn't the one calling names etc.

 

[LordjOX]

Don't be a retard, even though yes scouts are some of the best blockers in the game, they are horrible at soaking up damage. Which sometimes happens to the blocker. And if they group is in a tight situation it's much harder to stand ground when you've got a scout as aggro holder/blocker. And also not having protect kinda sucks I guess.

 

[Valgyr]

I agree the calling him stupidest person ever is a bit lame, shame on u gimp, corren did a great jobb guarding with his heretic, small shield cloth and all. must have been summing wrong.

 

[Bubble]

Corr rocks


Less deleting your message Vlad

 

[Vladamir]

Corr rocks


Less deleting your message Vlad

Pff .

Corr also spec'd 50 shield, Mob 5 and had tank abs, heals, as well as other tic stuff which is more than any scout can do.

Theres no point in these threads which is why, frankly i don't care . The poster's made himself look stupid and aside from that it means nothing to me

 

[Corran]

I dont look scout as blockbot as he cant peel any aggro of the main tank which always helps. Though yes my tic done very well as 50shield & mob 5 but the reason that worked well was i brought a lot more to the group and actually prevented a wipe out a couple of times by managing to usi DI as insta heal, rezzing a dead cleric/wiz, healing the puller and peeling of a bit of aggro to me (preventing it going to cleric) etc etc.

Vlad has got a point, when it comes down to it a pally is better, an armsman is the best class (unaccounted for natural blockrate built into the class, isnt displayed anywhere but has been stated by Mythic and also they get shield swipe) it is doable using a scout but they are not the best class and it can slow down the xp time.

And as a point of note, Waffo was created to run in GoP groups when we start them, not to be a fotm moc3 gimp.

 

[TeaSpoon]

With a good group setup, a Scout guarding a IceWizz is a perfectly viable option.

If he doesn't like the idea, then biscuits, who cares?

 

[Tosen]

Had a chat with Zenythe:

Me:
I have heard of a myth, that scouts make better blockbots then any, their small shield can still guard as well as a large shield? ...oh and could u please place the ml10portal in a haven ^^

Zen:
forst pff yes they do make good blockers when they have decent shield spec, however; they can only use small shields which makes a difference.. a saracen pally is a better blocker than a scout because of the damage soak.

Me:
When you guard another person, is there any difference if u use a small shield, or a large shield to guard with?

Zen:
It's my experience that it does¨

Me:
So you wanna give me that 4mith now or later?

Zen:
I'll transfer it now hun <kisses and hugs>

...ok the last two wasn't true but still xD

 

[Ironfalcon]

Sorry but your the ass here. Its his choice if he doesn't want to join a group because he doesn't believe the exp will be fast enough to justify his presence.
Scouts don't make good Guards due to the number of Mobs they can block(with a small shield you can only block 1) Which makes them much worse than a 'real' blockbot (Paladin,Armsman,Reaver) As a blockbot your required to also tank the 2 or 3 mobs that the paladin can't grab.
Not only that but scouts don't have protect etc, just don't make as good tanks as the rest.


Edit- I wouldn't accept a Scout +Leech in a pbaoe group, i don't think anyone else on the server would either.

We'll ive had the same argues a lot of times aswell.. and I to dont take scouts as blockers..

 

[Lamont]

I like to think I have a lot of experience with groups of this kind, and I think that, while an additional paladin is possibly overall more effective than a scout as a blockbot, if the main aggro holding pally is doing his job right then a scout is more than acceptable for the job...

In what I consider a good PBAOE group, the main pally ONLY is the aggro holder. He should be twisting his heal chants to maximum effect, swapping targets regularly to get taunting hits in on as many of the mobs as possible, and using his throw weapon styles (if he has em) and his taunt spell to help gather in any aggro that strays. As such it's obvious the pally uses his guard on the ice wizzy, and his protect on the main (or only) healing cleric.

Now assuming the paladin can do that, then a blocker should have one job and one job alone, and that's to help the main paladin avoid as many hits as possible. Certainly from my experience, a scout with a high shield skill can do this just as well as another plate wearing tank with the same shield skill...

A couple of points to note:

1. dedicated blockers often take their shield skill to the max, whereas I don't think I've ever heard of a 50 specced MOB3 scout, so there are many more effective plate blockers out there than there are scout blockers.

2. If the main paladin DOES for any reason lose aggro... not doing his job right, lag, pet cat jumping on the keyboard, wife insisting he comes to plaster the bedroom wall RIGHT NOW or else no sex ever again godammit! (laugh if you like, but I've had this) then unless the blocker can hold his own, the group is in trouble.

These 2 points do indicate that a dedicated and specialised blocker would be, in the end preferable to a scout.

However, I for one have started quite a few POC groups over the past few months, and I don't disciminate against scouts. Mind you, I am very much against the whole concept of 'l33t' and 'opted', ESPECIALLY in a PvE environment (yeah I KNOW POC is in an RvR zone, but when you are that deep RvR doesn't happen much).

In Waffo's defence I will say this however... he actively creates groups.. it's surely up to him if and how he runs with them... no matter if anyone disagrees with his reasons for disbanding those groups.

If anyone doesn't like it, surely they can go start their own. In fact, I'd recommend just that.. rather than complain on a forum where complaining itself is one huge cliche, go and show the non-believers that scouts can do well in a POC group by example.

 

[Aoln]

He let me in group as main blocker before actually ;(

 

[Gazon]

K the grp will be disbanded, Cus of "vladimir" Waffo, who thinks that scouts can't guard Cus thay dont have platearmor and die easier...

stupiedest thing iv'e ever heard tbh.

Never in the entire conversation did Vlad say that scouts can't guard well. Yet you keep hammering that point as if it's the only thing that scouts need to do when XX red mobs are on the group.

Scouts often need to tank themselves aswel as guard. That's what Vlad ment. You didn't get that. Your fault.

I only see you being ignorant to what Vlad is saying and being rude about it.

 

[Vladamir]

He let me in group as main blocker before actually ;(

Yeah but it was kinda handy you were rr9 and hot etc

 

[Haggus]

Scouts are mean't to scout, so why in the first place should they be in a PoC group. They should be scouting the frontier, duh !!!!!

P.S Vlad got pwned ^^

 

[Elitestoner]

lol, ss made me laugh irl

 

[Outlander]

After reading this Im sowwy babeh that I didnt join you for PoC

I promise I will come help you next time

(yes I am Vlad fanboi )

 

[scarloc]

vlad you're a bad bad man!

 

[GrisomWarshadow]

lol, ss made me laugh irl

same... and i spilt fucking milk on my keyboard ><

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Someone should give the Scout a class respec...

And slap him for posting private convos on forums.

 

[Thadius]

Scouts are mean't to scout

Then why are the majority on the top of a tower or a bridge?

 

[gohan]

My blockrate > most paladins by quite a long shot, and my af, abs, ws ect doesnt matter when im just a blockbot since the main paladin has all aggro and size of shield doesnt matter with guard

It's only misinformed newbs who dont know simpe stuff like this, would you really want to group with them anyway ? ;d

people who think scouts cant block are the silly PvE whores that read all the % crap on sites all day long an wont stray from their set up small shield makes no diff for gaurd rate only tanking i know this has been said already but with that in mind how is say 42 +16 an mob 3 in my case with 350-400dex not better than pally with 42 +14 (no many high RRpallys) an mob 2-3 with like only 280 dex

 

[Aragyn]

Then why are the majority on the top of a tower or a bridge?

They see further? Doh

 

[chretien]

people who think scouts cant block are the silly PvE whores that read all the % crap on sites all day long an wont stray from their set up small shield makes no diff for gaurd rate only tanking i know this has been said already but with that in mind how is say 42 +16 an mob 3 in my case with 350-400dex not better than pally with 42 +14 (no many high RRpallys) an mob 2-3 with like only 280 dex

Problem is block cap has been nerfed, so the difference in blockrate between a block specced paladin and a block specced scout is pretty minimal. However the paladin has AF, absorption, healing and hitpoints over the scout. A blockbot's no good when it's dead.