SC clients

[old.Saborion]

Ok, here`s the deal. The people already on my list will not be affected by this.

The last day made me realize that sc is frustrating compared to other tradeskills, the ones of you that have tried both now what I`m talking about. So when taking my shower this morning I decided that I wouldn`t do "public" sc anymore, but after a msg from a friend I decided to try another path. People buy 99-100% studded & chain for quite a few P, but why do they buy it? To get it imbued of course. With my earlier prices overcharging a full set with 4-5IP overcharge cost ~1P. Took me about 2 hour to make my first complete set, the second which I`m working on atm seems to go faster, but still 3 parts left, so who knows.

Here`s the new prices, take it or leave. Others will get to 1001 skills very soon, most likely a few already has.

Material cost +
1-25 Imbue Points (IP from now on) = 1g / IP.
25+ IP = 2g / IP.
Overcharge = 2g / IP + 0.5g / retry + an hourly fee of 300g, but no less than 100g, no matter time involved.

2 important things to notice about the above pricing system.
1: I doubt it`ll ever take more than ~2 hours to make a full armor set.
2: If you only need a 2 point overcharge, gem quality doesn`t matter, thus it goes as fast as no overcharging and thus the 100g minimum price listed above. If you want 3 point overcharge, 98% quality gems will do and it goes pretty fast to do it. Naturally, any higher quality gems shows up and I`ll use them instead, not that it matters in terms of success.

Price example with the above system: Full armor set max overcharge on each part. Assume 2 hours time to get the gems done and roughly 230g.
(Material cost ~220g) + (Base IP cost = 37*2*6 = 444) + (Overcharge IP cost = 5*2*6 = 60) + (0.5g / retry cost = 5*4*6*0.5 = 60) + (material retry cost ~230g) + (hourly fee = 2*300 = 600). This all sums up to 1.6P for a full set with max overcharge on all parts, but since the SC is at least as important as the armor itself, I think this is fair. So with the new pricing system it`s between 300-600g more expensive to go to me for a full set.

So yes, I`ve upped my prices twice. But this last system is based on the amount of time I have to sit clicking and stuff. Not like when crafting tailoring, you buy lots of material, sit down, press a button, wait a minute or two and press is again. Doing that I could study at the same time. Well, enough of the bs, now you know the prices if you still want me to do it.

 

[speshneeds]

sounds fair m8

 

[old.Saborion]

er...
2 point overcharge = no 100g extra cost.
That only applies for 3+ overcharges.

 

[Arnor]

1.6p for a full OC'ed set sounds a tad stiff. 1p is more to my liking, but its up to you, just remember that when ppl have shelled out 5-20p for a full MP set of armour, its limited how much cash they have left

 

[old.Saborion]

Yes, 1.6P might sound a bit much. But I said it before and I`ll say it again. I don`t care about money, you`re very welcome to go to other spellcrafters. What was that? I can do it for craft cost then? Well, no, I can`t. The reason I upped my prices is once again because of the time it takes to make those gems. I don`t care about money ingame, but I do care about time IRL. And no, it`s not more timeconsuming to make armors, bows etc for obvious reason. At least it`s less tedious to make them.

So if I don`t get any customers, fine by me.

 

[speshneeds]

well they shelled out that money for armour not sab

it takes an age to make all the bits for overcharging @ 99%, dont forget its 4xcrafts for each piece of armour/weapons... can take a v long time. Sure the cost is well above material but your looking at time costs too. plus to make a full set of sc gems i guess you will need to buy well over 1500 components which are all induvidual, no buying in nice stacks of 20 etc..

i think sab got it right price wise tbh. I doubt i will ever get the skill to overcharge due to money being tight but tbh i dont think i would bother taking overcharge orders cos of the time and hassle involved.

 

[old.Saborion]

Er. forget it all. No more public SC, you need to find other spellcrafters. Nothing is worth this shit.

Full armor set with 4+ point overcharge require at least 5k+ clicks in average at merchant (yes, 5k+, no bullshit), and what, 10-15 runs to the merchant too? And that is if I use a "buffbot" to help me out. So I say 'Fuck it'.

The ones on my list atm will of course get their stuff done by me at the prices we agreed on when signing up on the list. Some after me changing the prices, but most before.

 

[speshneeds]

Originally posted by old.Saborion
.............. require at least 5k+ clicks in average at merchant (yes, 5k+, no bullshit).............

and it really sux :\ had to replace buttons in mouse already

 

[Gekul]

I can understand where you're coming from. Sorting out the materials takes an insane amount of time. When I get round to spellcrafting anything, I'll sort out the materials for the SCer before hand. But then I don't plan on overcharging either so I imagine it should be fairly easy for whoever is still crafting 10 years from now when I get around to doing it hehe

 

[old.Saborion]

Well, sorting the gems is nothing I`ve been bothered of doing, never done it actually. =)

The thing that bothers are the fact that you need ~30 slots in your inventory filled with all sorts of ingredients to be able to make all sort of ingredients, and then you need buy in average about 170 or so of one ingredient to be able to make that 99% gem. First of all, this is impossible for me to do without str buffs. Secondly, it means all those runs to the merchant.

 

[Garnet]

Originally posted by old.Saborion
Er. forget it all. No more public SC, you need to find other spellcrafters. Nothing is worth this shit.

Full armor set with 4+ point overcharge require at least 5k+ clicks in average at merchant (yes, 5k+, no bullshit), and what, 10-15 runs to the merchant too? And that is if I use a "buffbot" to help me out. So I say 'Fuck it'.

The ones on my list atm will of course get their stuff done by me at the prices we agreed on when signing up on the list. Some after me changing the prices, but most before.

Dont worry in patch 1.55 they sell the gems in stacks of 10s instead of ones so it should help some. I doubt it will be hard to find another SCer soon as there is alot of them out there.

 

[old.Saborion]

Originally posted by Garnet


Dont worry in patch 1.55 they sell the gems in stacks of 10s instead of ones so it should help some. I doubt it will be hard to find another SCer soon as there is alot of them out there.

Well, or not.
I couldn`t find any information like that in the patch notes, and as far as I know, up until 1.59 you can NOT buy in other amounts than 1 at the time. Hence why everyone was so glad at vnboards about this patch note:

"You may now buy multiple items at once

With the merchant dialog open, select an item and Shift-LeftClick on the "BUY" button. It will open a window that allows you to select how many of the item you would like to purchase. LeftClicking the left and right arrows on this dialog increases/decreases the amount by 1, Shift-LeftClicking on the left and right arrows increases/decreases the amount by 10.

If you click on an item's icon in the merchant window, so that the icon of the item you want to purchase is attached to your mouse cursor, you can use the slash command "/mbuy #" where # is the number (from 1 to 100) that you would like to purchase.

This will allow you to macro exact quantities onto your quickbar: eg: /macro BUY50 /mbuy 50

NOTE: Buying multiple items is the same as if you selected the item and clicked "buy" X times. This means that if you are buy 10 of an item that is already stacked in stacks of 10, you are buying 100 total items."

But yes, others are closing in on 1k now, so people won`t have to wait all that long anymore.

 

[Urme the Legend]

What did you expect beeing the first SC 1000+? ... I tried SC too 120.. and I understood directly that this would suck big time at higher levels ...

And I think WC is taking alot if time.. but I can only imagine taking full sets orders on SC ... btw I need my crafted armor spellcrafted!!

 

[old.rauthian]

here is an example of sabs system full mp cloth gem valuee needed was about200g sabs price to make and imbue 1.8p a mark up of about 800% for any gem quality
if u think that fair then i surgest all crafters start to charg 800% craft price for all crafted items

 

[[NP]Sub]

Originally posted by old.rauthian
here is an example of sabs system full mp cloth gem valuee needed was about200g sabs price to make and imbue 1.8p a mark up of about 800% for any gem quality
if u think that fair then i surgest all crafters start to charg 800% craft price for all crafted items

hello my name is billy bob i am a little goat from where the water is yellow and the snow is blue i have a little house where i live with my family and my little hamster it is white with purple spots and its name is john i also have two birds their names are COMMA AND DOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[[NP]Sub]

problem with SC is that most will only need those gems that takes around 500-600 skill to do, and those cost very little in material, hence the standard crafting price system means a low profit for the crafter, but often the same time spend (depends a bit on quality required on gems etc).
its much easier with traditional crafting, coz the high lvl stuff is what ppl is willing to pay the big bucks for.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by [NP]Sub



hello my name is billy bob i am a little goat from where the water is yellow and the snow is blue i have a little house where i live with my family and my little hamster it is white with purple spots and its name is john i also have two birds their names are COMMA AND DOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you forgot to mention billy bob makes his levels on the bugged svartalf house in malmo

 

[old.Saborion]

And once again, it do take more time to overcharge a full armor set than it will take to make a 99% full cloth set. You can`t argue with that. Hell, I can`t even move around with using a buffbot.

And someone earlier said that people spent xxx amount of their armors and didn`t want to pay high amount for the sc. Well, WHY did they buy those armors in the first place? Not for the AF, that`s for sure...

This morning I finished a set for someone already on my list. Overcharged with max 2 points, my advice for him since he didn`t use any overcharge in his first template and didn`t want to risk anything. I cannot recall exactly, but it was a profit for me for about 500g for 30 mins work = ~1P / h. I assume this is WAY better than any other tradeskill, but he didn`t mind at all paying that price. Let`s say he would`ve wanted 4+ point overcharge on each item instead. It would`ve taken me about 3h to make and lots of runs back and forth to the merchant and destroying my mouse (and finger!) and so on. All that work for the same amount of money. Now WHY would I want to do that?

But as I said, soon others have reached 1k sc and it`ll be plenty of spellcrafters to choose from, hopefully anyway.

 

[Bure Ygg]

Hmm if it is so hard to SC for ppl why not tell them -Sure i can SC it for u just buy the material and bring it to me what would fix the biggest problem for then they will not give u so big orders and if they do it is not u who have to run its up to the customer and ppl who dont want to run will probely not ask u

 

[speshneeds]

some people too lazy to do that etc.....

i still do cost price stuff (+donation if the customer thinks i am worth it) but tbh i have very very few requests. As sub said most of the stuff that peoples need can be made in the 400-700 bracket which i can do.. only things that i have been asked for that i can do is the big +hits jewels and staff focus as both require 980+ skill to do.

I have done a few full sets for people so far and they have been pleased, in fact someone gave me 300g 'tip' which i was pretty damn chuffed with...

at the end of the day all i ask people to do is to pay what the item is worth to them. I dont and wont overcharge and if its just 1 or 2 items i tell the customer to get the stuffs for me.

Sabs pricing is fair imo, i dont charge cos i aint always crafting and its up to people to wait for me to be in jord before i take orders etc..

 

[old.Saborion]

Yah, well, just found out at least one other person charges "as much as me" for overcharging. Suppose most spellcrafters think that`s a fair price no matter what the rest of the midgard population thinks.

 

[old.Saborion]

And now that that is settled and there`s 1-2? more people that can imbue for you, I`m open for business again.

 

[Archeon]

Out of interest can just buy the jems off you?

I.e - say i wanted a 50 RC focus gem of any quality but i didn't want it imbued onto a weapon yet would that be possible?

 

[old.Saborion]

I`ll do one of those for craft cost naturally. =)

 

[Archeon]

One '50 Runecarving focus' gem please, with-hold the mustard

(Btw - how much would that set me back? any more that 2mithril and i'm screwed )

 

[old.Saborion]

30g.
Just msg sab and you`ll get to one of my characters. At least one the ones I use when I can be bothered by others. =)
I`ll switch to Sab and make the gem then, only takes a minute or two.

 

[rochlaar]

Im looking for a 50 rc focus jewel too. and a +28 con jewel

heard that 950+ in sc is needed for making those too. and i have tried to reach you as you are the only one over 1000 in sc afaik.

could i order 99 qua of those 2 gems.. and if its possible.. what would the price be?

 

[old.Saborion]

At least one more person over 1k skill, and that is Gopher. Aarween and Lalin is closing up too.

Seems like Gopher also disliked the idea of overcharging 2+ points without getting money worth his time?