Save The Internet.

[Ballard]

because thus far I do not see what you're complaining about.

- Roughly ten years ago the pharmacutical companies realised that because their market share was limited to sick people they were actually missing out on an immense amount of profit. What was their way to remedy this? unfortunately for us there was a fundamental shift in their focus from curing problems to inventing new 'problems' and creating cures for them. Thats right... through massive advertising campaigns they started to teach the general public (aka consumers) that everyday problems like having trouble getting a hard on now need drug treatment (viagra aka one of the most profitable drugs ever invented) or if you are feeling a bit down you shouldnt turn to your freinds for support, no anti-depressents are the answer. Maybe this isnt affecting you yet but the signs are there that these companies are getting more and more aggressive and the bombardment in the media is starting to convince us average joes that something is wrong with us and we need treatment.

- Regarding internet control, I think alot of people are confused as to what/who controls it. Your little ISP does nothing, your local line company likewise does very little. In essence the backbone is controlled by relatively few commercial and goverment entities like Verizon, British Telecom, AT&T, Sprint Nextel, France Télécom, BSNL, Teleglobe, Qwest, and SAVVIS. Luckily for us at the moment legislation protects these key points from complete commercial control. What is concerning is the lobbying that is occuring right now in the US is for the removal of many of these safeguards. The internet is safe for now but lets try and keep it that way things could easily change.


- At the moment the petroleum and mining industry have 'rights' to rape the natural resources of many developing countries. The people in those countries see none of the profits and live in poverty while any future potential for improvement is slowly taken away. The profits from this comes right into our rich economies and supports us in our 'comfortable' lifestyle. The only money that stays in these countries is money paid as kickbacks to the dictators and corrupt governments used in turn to further supress their populace. It is 'our' companies like shell, British petroleum (BP) and Broken hill proprietory (BHP) doing this damage.

Dont get me wrong I am relatively happy in my life, it just sucks that the world has let itself be run by a very small amount of very wealthy companies/individuals (aka the illumanti... ok that last bit was just a joke )

 

[Calaen]

That is so true..sheeps! brainwashed from kindergarden to uni, then following the same patteren everyday til you die..
Its sad I still see ppl who think some arabs attacked US 9/11 2001.
Its amasing what the media can do eh?
Wake up! they are using the publics fear of terrorism, to attack iraq, to give up your human rights, to accept everthing that help the "war on terrorism" .
Go watch V for Vendetta movie, we might end up living in a world like that.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/150506blairslegacy.htm

Stop talking shit, and I mean really stop talking shit. I mean really I found loose change interesting to watch. But by the same token the government dont really need to release the talked about footage because it keeps people like you worrying about the things they want you to worry about.
So you are just as much the sheep as me.

As I said in my first post in the scale of things your probably inline with algae on the governments most cared about list. So kindly get over it.

Ill go about my business safe in the knowledge I am living my life the best way I can be and you can cover yourself in self pity, with stories of better days like when you didnt have the internet and you had to play tag all by yourself.

 

[Calaen]

Dont get me wrong I am relatively happy in my life, it just sucks that the world has let itself be run by a very small amount of very wealthy companies/individuals (aka the illumanti... ok that last bit was just a joke )

Spot on but is there an alternative?

 

[Ballard]

Spot on but is there an alternative?

All we can do is stay aware and keep our discomfort with the things that are wrong in the world. And maybe next time someone says something about it we support them and hey maybe there is a small chance over the years a groundswell of discomfort might build and some day in the future there could be a political party or coup worth supporting. Hey its revolution by increment

 

[Joor]

Sorry Calaen you cant make me stop talking.
Im just asking people to ask questions, read history and see that 9/11 is infact an insider job/scare the public campain - just like the Oklahoma bomb in 1995, the Golf war, Pearl Harbor or the JFK assasination etc etc..

 

[Calaen]

Sorry Calaen you cant make me stop talking.
Im just asking people to ask questions, read history and see that 9/11 is infact an insider job/scare the public campain - just like the Oklahoma bomb in 1995, the Golf war, Pearl Harbor or the JFK assasination etc etc..

In all fairness I dont believe Pearl Harbour was a hoax The Gulf war was justified in my eyes. I actually collected the full sticker book aswell.

The public will always be scared, because we need to feel safe within our boundaries. When that is threatened fear/insecurity is the obvious emotion, we look to the people we voted into power to protect us.

I dont want to stop you talking mate, but if you gonna make wild accusations give me facts I might then consider your opinions to be worth while.

 

[Grimnna]

You may think you live free but the truth is we are more shackled today than we were during the dark ages.

What's wrong with that? As long as you think you are free it's ok isn't it?

Most people today are sheep, raised on passive entertainment, taught to worship the idols that the mediacorps set up, be content with their lot and stfu. We arent citizens or even humans anymore, we are consumers.

That is so true..sheeps! brainwashed from kindergarden to uni, then following the same patteren everyday til you die..
Its sad I still see ppl who think some arabs attacked US 9/11 2001.
Its amasing what the media can do eh?
Wake up! they are using the publics fear of terrorism, to attack iraq, to give up your human rights, to accept everthing that help the "war on terrorism" .
Go watch V for Vendetta movie, we might end up living in a world like that.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may...airslegacy.htm

I really wanted to get into this discussion and share some off my points of view but after reading these last two things I quoted I started to feel real sorry for those 2 people. I really hope your views will change in the future, because I cannot even begin to understand what the hell happened that f*cked up your minds so bad that all you seem to do is worry.

Go out... get drunk... go dance in the rain naked.... Go to a circus...
Whatever it takes, you nééd to worry less...

Good luck.

 

[Benedictine]

Sorry Calaen you cant make me stop talking.
Im just asking people to ask questions, read history and see that 9/11 is infact an insider job/scare the public campain - just like the Oklahoma bomb in 1995, the Golf war, Pearl Harbor or the JFK assasination etc etc..

Twat

 

[old.Tohtori]

, the Golf war,

Aye. Tis was a horrible war, white bumby things everywhere

 

[Fana]

Stop talking shit, and I mean really stop talking shit. I mean really I found loose change interesting to watch. But by the same token the government dont really need to release the talked about footage because it keeps people like you worrying about the things they want you to worry about.
So you are just as much the sheep as me.

As I said in my first post in the scale of things your probably inline with algae on the governments most cared about list. So kindly get over it.

Ill go about my business safe in the knowledge I am living my life the best way I can be and you can cover yourself in self pity, with stories of better days like when you didnt have the internet and you had to play tag all by yourself.

Its all very nice that you are happy letting your civil rights slip away but i, like many others, are not. No fucking CEO of some multibilliondollar corp is gonna tell me what i can and cannot do with my music/movies/software, nor is anyone going to tell me what webpages i can and cannot visit, nor is any company going to be allowed to sniff my electronic communications in order to bombard me with individually designed commercials, nor shall the government be allowed to spy on their citizens without any crime suspicion, nor should i have to put up with operating systems that automatically sends a warning flag to the FBI or the equivalent each time i type certain words on my computer (a reality with Windows Vista) and automatically stops you using programs whos makers havent paid huge fees to Microsoft.

I am not a criminal, neither is the vast majority of people affected by the new BigBrother society built around us at the moment, yet we are treated as such.

I think it was Thomas Jefferson that said "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" but that also works the other way around, i.e. "the price of eternal vigilance is freedom" - and in most of these cases its not even really a matter of vigilance against crime and terrorism but simply a desire from the supercorporations of the world to stay in power and maintain their powerbase. The flowery words about security and freedom are just smokescreens to hide their intentions. Power corrupts.

 

[Calaen]

But mate at the bottom of the thread are adverts for exactly that There has got to be boundaries but until what you are talking about actually comes into practice take a breath, there really are more important things to do than worry about things that are far from becoming reality.

 

[Joor]

Such intelligence in here, replying with a . Go search on google about all i have said, and you will see it too.

Way back in Viet Nam times, not only didn’t we have the internet, we didn’t even need it. Because we were all pretty much aware of the lies our government was attempting to foist on us. How so? Well, for one thing, the Viet Nam war was the first war ever to be reported via live TV. This meant that TV reporters, TV cameras were out there, shooting the truth. This meant photographing that little girl fleeing naked from napalm. It meant photographing an “allied” officer shooting a dissenter in the head as the dissenter knelt in the dirt at the officer’s feet. And it meant photographing for that famous wagon-load of injured U.S. soldiers being transported out of a battle zone. Hordes of helicopters flying over villages “destroyed to keep them safe from the Viet Cong,” replete with the murdered lying in the mud. It was all there for us to see.

All that has changed. This time around, all media is censored, only news that the government believes will assist in propaganda efforts is being released, and that ain’t much
Apparently, the “Decider”(bush) running this Iraq version of Viet Nam has decided that even a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
If you want to see what infants deformed by Uranium absorption look like; if you want to see what the actual demolition of an entire city (Fallujah) looks like; if you want to see Afghanistan again under Taliban rule; if you want to see the actual face of war, you need the internet.

Turn on the morning TV news, and you get to learn how the latest celebrity is getting divorced, having a baby, living in Bahrain, dating his ex mother-in-law. Read the newspaper, and learn how the city is reconstructing a sewer pipe, closing schools for lack of money, or messing with local taxes.

“Regulating” the internet, charging for its use, even “monitoring” it, is simply one more step towards fascism. When You can’t say what You feel, when you can’t express these feelings freely on the internet, you am being muzzled.

 

[Ballard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

Funny how history has a way of repeating itself. Colin powell, a vital part of the bush administration, obviously has kept on doing what he did back then only now he is partly in charge of an entire nation. How many times have we heard him explain their actions in iraq? Would you trust someone who tried to whitewash the brutal murders of mothers and their babies by US troops....

Colin Powell, then a young US Army Major, was charged with investigating the letter, which did not specifically reference My Lai (Glen had no knowledge of the events there). Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Later, Powell's refutation would be called an act of "white-washing" the news of My Lai, and questions would continue to remain undisclosed to the public.

 

[Calaen]

“Regulating” the internet, charging for its use, even “monitoring” it, is simply one more step towards fascism. When You can’t say what You feel, when you can’t express these feelings freely on the internet, you am being muzzled.

But there is even more shit on the internet. I have seen the effects of the war, however you still have not gave me any facts about so called 9/11, Pearl harbour or the Gulf war. You mention Intelligence to me it seems you are only interested in your conspiracy theories to actually realise the world we live in today is full of bad shit going down. Murders, rapes, starvation, you cannot stop everything from happening, you can however live your life and stop worrying.

If regulating the internet catches paedophiles and terrorists its all good.

 

[Pirkel]

What's wrong with that? As long as you think you are free it's ok isn't it?

Powerowned!

 

[Marc]

That is so true..sheeps! brainwashed from kindergarden to uni, then following the same patteren everyday til you die..
Its sad I still see ppl who think some arabs attacked US 9/11 2001.
Its amasing what the media can do eh?
Wake up! they are using the publics fear of terrorism, to attack iraq, to give up your human rights, to accept everthing that help the "war on terrorism" .
Go watch V for Vendetta movie, we might end up living in a world like that.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/150506blairslegacy.htm

fucking hell. Stop talking out of your arse. We are sheeps for believing Bin Laden attacked the US? Jesus christ, what does that make you for believing in some cock and bull conspiracy story, dreamed up by some fat nerd sat in front of his spit covered monitor? One or the same?

You want to lay off the crack mate, its making you paranoid to the point you will believe anything, no matter how ludicrous it is

 

[Grimnna]

Hate is baggage, life's too short to be pissed off all the time, its just not worth it.

Remember that when you dance in the rain and you'll be fine....naked... don't forget to be naked.... it really helps

 

[noblok]

Joor: how do you know that it's the mainstream media who are lying and not some guy on the internet? It's entirely possible that you're the one being brainwashed by those documentaries which 'reveal the truth'.

 

[Joor]

Joor: how do you know that it's the mainstream media who are lying and not some guy on the internet? It's entirely possible that you're the one being brainwashed by those documentaries which 'reveal the truth'.

No becourse everything he and several others say, I can search on google and read -its all there! Alex jones has been doing this for hours everyday last 15 years, I dont think hes doing it for fun..
You can watch hes show every week live, and then judge hes views.
For you Calaen and other : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8026557957943939415&q=911+alex+jones

history repeat itself

 

[Marc]

oh wow!! If you can google it, it must be true!!!!!!!

 

[Amanita]

Everything the media and others say is all there ready to read too. I can search on google and read.


He sure sensationalises things though.

"Collection of power mad meglomaniacs"

Yeah, real objective isn't it? I'll try sit through the rest of this stuff later.

Edit: Does he ever present any evidence to support his claims?

 

[Joor]

oh wow!! If you can google it, it must be true!!!!!!!

Im sure you can put 2 and 2 together?
Maybe you didnt learn to analyse news/history etc in school?

 

[Fana]

But mate at the bottom of the thread are adverts for exactly that There has got to be boundaries but until what you are talking about actually comes into practice take a breath, there really are more important things to do than worry about things that are far from becoming reality.

For crying out loud! It is now that people need to start worrying and acting, not when its "become a reality" (which it already has).

But yes, lets just sit in our comfortable homes and be safe in the knowledge that as long as you conform to the norm, dont raise your voice, and let your existance and your actions be dictated by others, you will be safe.

This isnt about little green men from mars secretly taking over the world, or some daemonic cult following trying to send subliminal messages through your electrical sockets etc. This is about plain old scrupulous men in power trying to control the flow of information and culture and the ways in which you can access and use information.

 

[Marc]

Im sure you can put 2 and 2 together?
Maybe you didnt learn to analyse news/history etc in school?

Never had Google, nor the internet for that matter when I was at school. Nor were ludicrous and stupid conspiracy theories high up on the curriculum.

 

[Marc]

lol @ this thread. Its a beaut! BOMB!

Oh shit, i said BOMB. MI5 will be knocking at my door in a few minutes.

pmsl

 

[Amanita]

This is about plain old scrupulous men in power trying to control the flow of information and culture and the ways in which you can access and use information.

And this is new? Do you know how long it took to get the bible translated from Latin? Do you not think that the people who are feeding the public this "true" information haven't put their own twist on it?

Truth is totally subjective and I would seriously, seriously check out the sources of any information before jumping into the deep end and preaching. I don't trust this guy who's exposing "power mad meglomaniacs" to be objective and present his information without his own spin on things, which is exactly what you're accusing the mainstream media and these "tyrants" of doing.

 

[Marc]

And this is new? Do you know how long it took to get the bible translated from Latin? Do you not think that the people who are feeding the public this "true" information haven't put their own twist on it?

Truth is totally subjective and I would seriously, seriously check out the sources of any information before jumping into the deep end and preaching. I don't trust this guy who's exposing "power mad meglomaniacs" to be objective and present his information without his own spin on things, which is exactly what you're accusing the mainstream media and these "tyrants" of doing.

a-fucking-men

 

[Gamah]

Joor the way you type is so fucking bias, you're a nut job. You're also not able to put forward a good argument you just rant and rave. If you spend your whole life worrying then its a waste of a life.

 

[Grimnna]

If you spend your whole life worrying then its a waste of a life.

Scary sh*t, I agree with Gamah....

Damn now I need to dance naked in the rain aswell to clear my mind again


EDIT: Only agree with the last bit of what Gamah said so deleted the rest. Would never call anyone a nut job except for my mom who keeps telling me to "behave" when I'm going out for a drink... So cute when you're 31 and been proving for 16 years that you never "behave"

 

[Sparx]

this threat is actually funny!

its not paranioa, everyone is laughing at you!

brilliant. just brilliant.
Joop do you have a little button in your room so when the man attacks you can set fire to all your beloved work and they will never find you? do you never take the same route twice? (great film)