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Heresy! Usurper!
Hang the treasonous cur!
When Constantine gets wind of this you'd be advised to stay in Emain forever.
Heresy! Usurper!
Hang the treasonous cur!
When Constantine gets wind of this you'd be advised to stay in Emain forever.
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Arnor
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Originally posted by ilienwyn
so, you admit that mids need nerfing?
never said anything else mate
zerkers needed a nerf (but was nerfed in a wrong way)
sbs needed a nerf (wrong way, and way too hard)
savages need a nerf (will prolly just be annihilated by nerfbat)
healers insta-aoe-stun need a nerf (longer recast timer, 20mins or 30mins or sumt)
thanes need a nerf (just for good measure
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Originally posted by Arnor
thanes need a nerf (just for good measure
finally!!!11 thx u arnor
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Re: It all lies back in the future of our past ... erm ...
Cool story.... made me laugh, eventough I'm at work
Originally posted by Hanhepi
Hmm ... blah blah blah..... smoke.
Cool story.... made me laugh, eventough I'm at work
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yeahyeah
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Has it ever occured to you that the said alb in question might of been totally new to the game and before buying the game didnt read anything about that game?
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old.LandShark
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Tell me he was playing his own char and level 50, and I might just be mildly shocked
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gwal
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some ppl are new to the game, hardly anything wrong in asking that, or?
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Have to agree with Ramas, ppl keep saying albs suck because we dont defend our keeps. Reason we dont defend is because we dont have relics. Alb had relics for months but then after countless failed raids the mids descided toget up early and take the relics (wether this was an alarm clock raid or not is debatable but it was sure not prime time and as far as i know it was about 10 am) , and so the alarm clock raids started. We have taken them back a few times since then (also alarm clock raids) but then the mids take them back again the following weekend, and so the whole thing has become a pointless excercise. Yes u can argue that we need keeps for DF but most ppl would rather goto AC then mess around taking keeps, drops r good and so is XP.
Albion is no different to any other realm, we have our zergs and so do they we have our "elite" guilds and so do they. Just so happens that they have the relics at the moment.
NOTE : this is no flame at mids for alarm clock raids just stating the facts as to my knowledge.
Albion is no different to any other realm, we have our zergs and so do they we have our "elite" guilds and so do they. Just so happens that they have the relics at the moment.
NOTE : this is no flame at mids for alarm clock raids just stating the facts as to my knowledge.
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kirennia
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I don't see a problem with Alb
As for leading a relic raid, just contact a few names in higher guilds, set up a cg and let it grow with GM's ONLY, sort out a plan and time...as far as I am aware, no1 has ever been told to sod off for suggesting a relic raid at a decent hour so why would we start now...
As for leading a relic raid, just contact a few names in higher guilds, set up a cg and let it grow with GM's ONLY, sort out a plan and time...as far as I am aware, no1 has ever been told to sod off for suggesting a relic raid at a decent hour so why would we start now...
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Originally posted by Arnor
never said anything else mate
healers insta-aoe-stun need a nerf (longer recast timer, 20mins or 30mins or sumt)
thanes need a nerf (just for good measure
Halve the area for insta-aoe-stun, should take care of it really.
As for thanes... Don't even go there, imagine the thread, full of nerfcalls for Thanes.
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old.Ramas
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Plus Hibgard keeps count just as much for DF as alb ones do, and hibgard keeps give everyone a (tiny) damage bonus when we own them, something alb keeps do not give.
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I must say that i find the attitude towards taking and holding keeps quite bemusing. Why oh why do players stood in CS and told 'Keepretake at Surs - ### has /cg - all please come to help we're being farmed to death by Mids' respond by porting to Emain to join a zerg that nets them 25rp's?
Or even worse a cg forms that has some idiot that thinks he knows everything about the game spamming unhelpful nonsense right in the middle of important tactical info (number of mids/hibs sighted and location) - net result is no-one hears the info and whole groups get wiped out.
I realise all too well that we don't have relics atm, but i don't see this as an excuse not to defend our own land. That proverbial farming factory (DF) is virtually owned by Mids these days - and all i seem to see on /as is... Why don't you high level peeps get DF back for us? I then have to go to all the trouble of explaining that the support for anyone retaking keeps in the frontier is shocking - and that though we try our best, we are doomed to fail without a little Realm-Wide organisation.
When we last took (and held) the strength relics - the frontier was excellent. Players were patrolling it extremely well and we held/retook keeps with frightning ease - all because of a little co-operation. As soon as we lost relics, it returned to the same sad, apathetic state i'm oh so used to.
This is a plee to all those who like myself, wish to do something about the state of the frontier - as opposed to merely bitching about how crap it is. Can we try to organise a meeting of GM's interested in this, and sort out some sort of roster for keep defence and reinforcement?
Or even worse a cg forms that has some idiot that thinks he knows everything about the game spamming unhelpful nonsense right in the middle of important tactical info (number of mids/hibs sighted and location) - net result is no-one hears the info and whole groups get wiped out.
I realise all too well that we don't have relics atm, but i don't see this as an excuse not to defend our own land. That proverbial farming factory (DF) is virtually owned by Mids these days - and all i seem to see on /as is... Why don't you high level peeps get DF back for us? I then have to go to all the trouble of explaining that the support for anyone retaking keeps in the frontier is shocking - and that though we try our best, we are doomed to fail without a little Realm-Wide organisation.
When we last took (and held) the strength relics - the frontier was excellent. Players were patrolling it extremely well and we held/retook keeps with frightning ease - all because of a little co-operation. As soon as we lost relics, it returned to the same sad, apathetic state i'm oh so used to.
This is a plee to all those who like myself, wish to do something about the state of the frontier - as opposed to merely bitching about how crap it is. Can we try to organise a meeting of GM's interested in this, and sort out some sort of roster for keep defence and reinforcement?
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old.Ramas
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As above, DF remains indifferent to whether you take keeps in alb or hibgard. Only hibgard ones grant the realm a damage and RP bonus, which alb keeps do not.
If people *really* want to help the realm, go take and defend the keeps in hibgard which do something for us, not those in alb which do little/nothing.
Also, if low levels are complaining they can't get into DF, you should be aiding your realm by suggesting they go to the various places in alb that give better xp.
DF is good for farming cash, not xp.
If people *really* want to help the realm, go take and defend the keeps in hibgard which do something for us, not those in alb which do little/nothing.
Also, if low levels are complaining they can't get into DF, you should be aiding your realm by suggesting they go to the various places in alb that give better xp.
DF is good for farming cash, not xp.
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When 150+ Albs are in emain and they are to lousy to take a keep then defently something is wrong. So manny people in 1 area causes the Mids & Hibs to stay clear from that area so there will be hardly any rps to gain.
When Relic raids are performed, but more then half the guilds are not getting involved, guess how much people of thoes guilds like to defend the Relics?
Whats the point of taking Relics/Keeps if the only time Mids take them back is at 9 in the morning?
And you could go on, and on, and on.....
Nope, Albion is a big mess, Albion is to blame for a lot of it, but not the only factor.
Fagane
ps: Start to flame again, can not wait for it
When Relic raids are performed, but more then half the guilds are not getting involved, guess how much people of thoes guilds like to defend the Relics?
Whats the point of taking Relics/Keeps if the only time Mids take them back is at 9 in the morning?
And you could go on, and on, and on.....
Nope, Albion is a big mess, Albion is to blame for a lot of it, but not the only factor.
Fagane
ps: Start to flame again, can not wait for it
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old.Ramas
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Rubbish. I'm sorry, but the vast majority of guilds by population are involved in Relic Raids. It's fair to say that the long tail of 60 or so <10 person half dead guilds don't always hear about them, but any guild that makes the effort to contact the other GMs and ask about the these things will know about relic raids.
Well massive numbers of albs turn out for relic raids despite the fact we know mid will alarm clock raid them back in a week or two. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? Feel free to check the mid whines on the RvR forum about the "A guard was killed with 200+ enemies in the area" spam.
One thing I always notice in these threads is how people moaning about albs attitude to relics have never once attempted to organise a raid.
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Because they cant perform Keep Farm Sessions with albs when no albs come to defend our keeps.
Been said loads: givf us the stre relics back and you will be able to farm us in Pennine as much as u desire....
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Hmmmm, when you try to orgonize something the big RvR guilds refuse to listen. If you know that there are several RvR guild groups in the area and ask for they're help, they refuse to aid a keep take becouse they sweeter hunt.......
Did any of the RvR guilds aid in keep retakes? Only seen FC do it 1 time, but when they needed to wait 20 minutes becouse of a whipe out they did suicide on mtk to go to Odin.
And did any of the big RvR guilds ever try to orgonize a retake in the last 6 months where other people could join in? Think not....
Thats called Elitism, and a lot of "big shot" Albions in the big RvR suffer from that syndrom.
If and I mean _IF_ any of the big RvR guild members say orgonize somthing, its just clear they have not done any serious RvR in the last 6 months. Its always that the small guilds need to do the work while the big guild get the fun and refuse the aknowledge/support the small guilds.
And _IF_ the big RvR guilds with the UBER and ELITE players did care, they would show up on keep takes/retakes to make an example, to "show" the "unexpierianced" players how it should be done. But my best guess is that the big RvR guilds do not have the brain power, strength of will and lack responsibility for that.
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old.Ramas
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Sorry, I stopped reading after this sentence because it's full of shit.
As above, if anyone wishes to change the relic situation they need to start contacting GMs and bring it on.
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Hypothetically speaking, how would one go about organising a relic raid?
I got the bit about contacting GMs but it ain't that easy. What else is needed? I suspect a lot of people who would like to organise a relic raid simply don't know how to go about it.
There is also the problem of perceived elitism. A lot of the smaller guilds are probably apprehensive about approaching the larger guilds, such as GoL or FC, for help because they have either been snubbed in the past or don't think they would get the support that they need on account of their relative obscurity.
Theeen there is the issue of 'alarm clock raids'. We get the relics, defend our frontiers for weeks with great success and then, at some obscure hour of the morning, 200 mids raid the keep and take our relics. I think this ping ponging of relics has happened 3 times now and a lot of people probably see making the effort to organise a raid a tad futile as we will lose the relics as soon as most of us go to bed. I was at our last relic defence at some god forsaken hour on Sunday morning (9am I think) and there was hardly anyone online. Everyone else was still curled up nice and tight in bed...where they should be. Anyway, what I am trying to say (taking the scenic route) is that we can't blame our problems on the relics. You think the middies are just going to hand us back the relics so that they can farm us some more or because your whining makes them feel sorry for you? Forget about the relics! We have shown that we can defend them well from 11am - 11pm but any earlier and then it is open house at Excalibur Keep and everyone is invited.
Our problem lies in the fact that we aren't motivated enough to take keeps outside of Albion. If we lose a couple of our own keeps then we often move pretty fast to reclaim them...sometimes. I recall a couple of weeks ago when we were down to only TWO keeps and it took almost an entire day to reclaim them all. Once we have reclaimed our keeps then most people dash off to Odins or Emain to do some pwnage whilst a few guilds head off and take an enemy keep. Even from reading the accounts of the massive stand offs at the enemy keeps where Shadowlords and Co. (for example) pharmed the crap out of the attackers it should be pretty obvious that taking enemy keeps and then defending them till they are totally over run is far more productive in terms of RP gain than zerging around in Emain for a couple of hours.
If more people were willing to do this then eventually I think Albion would be in more of a position to start taking relics. It is a question of state of play and mind, and we are most assuredly on the defensive at the moment. We are constantly being raided by midgard and hibernia and its getting to the stage where we lose a keep and nobody cares. If we start to go on the offensive and take as many keeps as we can then it will greatly improve the moral of Albion as a whole. It is far better to log on and see that DF is in Albion hands with around 5-6 enemy keeps in our possession than it is to see all but 3 of our keeps belonging to the enemy.
So, when you log on tonight, don't automatically buy your medallion to Emain or Odins with the intent of joining a zerg for 150Rps...organise a keep take and give back Albion its dignity!
...of course, you won't do that and I have just wasted 10 minutes typing this. Ho hum.
I got the bit about contacting GMs but it ain't that easy. What else is needed? I suspect a lot of people who would like to organise a relic raid simply don't know how to go about it.
There is also the problem of perceived elitism. A lot of the smaller guilds are probably apprehensive about approaching the larger guilds, such as GoL or FC, for help because they have either been snubbed in the past or don't think they would get the support that they need on account of their relative obscurity.
Theeen there is the issue of 'alarm clock raids'. We get the relics, defend our frontiers for weeks with great success and then, at some obscure hour of the morning, 200 mids raid the keep and take our relics. I think this ping ponging of relics has happened 3 times now and a lot of people probably see making the effort to organise a raid a tad futile as we will lose the relics as soon as most of us go to bed. I was at our last relic defence at some god forsaken hour on Sunday morning (9am I think) and there was hardly anyone online. Everyone else was still curled up nice and tight in bed...where they should be.
Anyway, what I am trying to say (taking the scenic route) is that we can't blame our problems on the relics. You think the middies are just going to hand us back the relics so that they can farm us some more or because your whining makes them feel sorry for you? Forget about the relics! We have shown that we can defend them well from 11am - 11pm but any earlier and then it is open house at Excalibur Keep and everyone is invited.Our problem lies in the fact that we aren't motivated enough to take keeps outside of Albion. If we lose a couple of our own keeps then we often move pretty fast to reclaim them...sometimes. I recall a couple of weeks ago when we were down to only TWO keeps and it took almost an entire day to reclaim them all. Once we have reclaimed our keeps then most people dash off to Odins or Emain to do some pwnage whilst a few guilds head off and take an enemy keep. Even from reading the accounts of the massive stand offs at the enemy keeps where Shadowlords and Co. (for example) pharmed the crap out of the attackers it should be pretty obvious that taking enemy keeps and then defending them till they are totally over run is far more productive in terms of RP gain than zerging around in Emain for a couple of hours.
If more people were willing to do this then eventually I think Albion would be in more of a position to start taking relics. It is a question of state of play and mind, and we are most assuredly on the defensive at the moment. We are constantly being raided by midgard and hibernia and its getting to the stage where we lose a keep and nobody cares. If we start to go on the offensive and take as many keeps as we can then it will greatly improve the moral of Albion as a whole. It is far better to log on and see that DF is in Albion hands with around 5-6 enemy keeps in our possession than it is to see all but 3 of our keeps belonging to the enemy.
So, when you log on tonight, don't automatically buy your medallion to Emain or Odins with the intent of joining a zerg for 150Rps...organise a keep take and give back Albion its dignity!
...of course, you won't do that and I have just wasted 10 minutes typing this. Ho hum.
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To organise a relic raid....
1) Come up with a basic plan. A Plan includes...
- A date and time
- A meeting point
- A strategy for getting to Mjol before the mids.
- The name of a driver for any zerging.
- The name of a cg moderator.
Orthodox strategies include...
- Log out at a point near the relic keep long before raid, log back at pre-determined time.
- Take zerg thorugh HotC dungeon.
- Take a keep, get a corpse-summoner and keep re-raiding till it works.
2) Contact the GMs a couple of weeks before, explain the plan and ask for comments. Ask the GMs to confirm numbers they can bring.
3) Before the raid actually starts some details you need to work out...
- Who is bringing the 9 rams + spares, and who is building on which door?
- Do you want trebs? Have you told everyone?
- Who is forming the relic carrier groups (must contain BoF, SoS, preferably 2 of each, and some other high HP/artmour classes)?
- If your plan requires any non-zerg tasks, make sure you;ve assigned them to particular guilds.
- Make macros including....
/c DON'T KILL THE GUARDS MEZ THEM
/c ON THE 3rd DOOR WE HIT THE LEFT HAND SIDE ONE
/c KILL THE FRICKING MASTER OF SODDING RUNES
/c NO REALLY, DON'T KILL THE FRICKING GUARDS
/c <name of guilds> BUILD RAMS ON DOOR <n>
The real key is a good plan for getting to Mjol.
1) Come up with a basic plan. A Plan includes...
- A date and time
- A meeting point
- A strategy for getting to Mjol before the mids.
- The name of a driver for any zerging.
- The name of a cg moderator.
Orthodox strategies include...
- Log out at a point near the relic keep long before raid, log back at pre-determined time.
- Take zerg thorugh HotC dungeon.
- Take a keep, get a corpse-summoner and keep re-raiding till it works.
2) Contact the GMs a couple of weeks before, explain the plan and ask for comments. Ask the GMs to confirm numbers they can bring.
3) Before the raid actually starts some details you need to work out...
- Who is bringing the 9 rams + spares, and who is building on which door?
- Do you want trebs? Have you told everyone?
- Who is forming the relic carrier groups (must contain BoF, SoS, preferably 2 of each, and some other high HP/artmour classes)?
- If your plan requires any non-zerg tasks, make sure you;ve assigned them to particular guilds.
- Make macros including....
/c DON'T KILL THE GUARDS MEZ THEM
/c ON THE 3rd DOOR WE HIT THE LEFT HAND SIDE ONE
/c KILL THE FRICKING MASTER OF SODDING RUNES
/c NO REALLY, DON'T KILL THE FRICKING GUARDS
/c <name of guilds> BUILD RAMS ON DOOR <n>
The real key is a good plan for getting to Mjol.
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old.Ramas
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One another note, you make a good point about taking *enemy* keeps.
Taking enemy keeps on a more regular basis would be helpful to everyone in the long run.
Taking enemy keeps on a more regular basis would be helpful to everyone in the long run.
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whiners playing gimped classes in epicarmor
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Athis
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Re: Re: Sad state of albion
But I wub my epic armor! It looks just like DF armor and the stats are almost as good too!
But I wub my epic armor! It looks just like DF armor and the stats are almost as good too!
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Re: Re: Sad state of albion
Can we close this please?
I pwomiss never to open a 'discuss' thread again
Can we close this please?
I pwomiss never to open a 'discuss' thread again
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All thou I havnt been playing this game too long, I have done a few raids and other rvr. Yes I enjoy raids, but the problem is not with people wanting to go to the frontier. The problem is people not listening within the alliance, or working to gether as one team. You have grps that dont want to grp anyone under lvl 50. Well for those of them, I have taken lvl 50's down with my 42 Necro. This is suppose to be a team based game, not a soloing game, my suggestion is go play UO for those that want to solo.
I believe having 3 huge alliances will help the alb in rvr, another thing is if you want to beat the Mids, well you have to play the game like them, even if its 5 am raids. I may work and have a family, but I would get up for a 5 am raid if that is what it takes. The other thing that needs fixed is people grping lower lvl chars. So what if they are lower, we all want to rvr. Another prob is the people trying to solo since they tend to believe they get more rps as solo then as a team.
Bottom line is nothing will change as long as PEOPLE ARE GREEDY.
I believe having 3 huge alliances will help the alb in rvr, another thing is if you want to beat the Mids, well you have to play the game like them, even if its 5 am raids. I may work and have a family, but I would get up for a 5 am raid if that is what it takes. The other thing that needs fixed is people grping lower lvl chars. So what if they are lower, we all want to rvr. Another prob is the people trying to solo since they tend to believe they get more rps as solo then as a team.
Bottom line is nothing will change as long as PEOPLE ARE GREEDY.
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You guys need to grab str relics from mids imo.