Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by .Wilier., Mar 11, 2005.

  1. .Wilier.

    .Wilier. One of Freddy's beloved

    Last night Mrs Wil and myself attended my eldest daughters school for a meeting with the teachers and governors regarding Sex and Reletionship Education.

    Basically, the school (a primary school) wish to introduce this subject to the curriculum and wanted to consult with the parents and seek approval as to which words were to be used etc to descibe the *sex parts* of the human anatomy. There was also a viewing of 3 15min videos taken form C4 childrens ed programming.

    The words, neither Mrs Wil nor myself had a problem with. I guess its not fair to expect the teachers to know every pet name for a minge under the sun, so vagina, penis, breasts etc Im fine with.......I accept that these are words my 5yr old will use.

    The video's however had a bit of a sticking point.
    There was a video with a couple of children watching their pet cat have kittens etc......then it went into explaining the difference between boys and girls. Cut to a cartoon image of a naked boy and girl, and the narrator explaining that there are 2 special things about girls.....I assumed Breast and a vagina but no........they zoomed in and said
    "Girls have a clitoris....sometimes it gets hard and feels nice" :eek6: and that they have a vagina which is designed in such a way to allow baby's out.

    "Boys have a penis. Sometimes it gets hard and it feels nice"

    Now I may be being slightly prudish or naive but does a 5yr old really need to know that she has a clitoris? and that it feels nice? Surely it only feels nice if the girl becomes arroused?

    I can accept that a boy is gonna get a stiffy every now and then, and needs to know that this is normal and nothing to worry about...although why should a 5yr old boy get a stiffy?

    Am I being over protective or just being too sensitive because its my little girl?

    Or what....:(
  2. Tom

    Tom FH is my second home

    I've always thought this was something best done by parents, and not the state.
  3. Brynn

    Brynn Can't get enough of FH

    i think putting in the "feels nice" bit is going a bit too far.

    I remember my sex education talk, was one done for my area. And had two people sitting in a Fish and Chip resteraunt talking about boners.

    hah still makes me laugh thinking of it now
  4. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    Have to say, you will always, ALWAYS be more sensitive about "daddys little girl".Even when she's 21 and brings home his rocker boyfriend Jaz who just bought an island and married your daughter. You'll probably beat Jaz up as a pedophile.

    But that's normal.

    I say, teach boys and girls about the clitoris in detail, atleast the future boys of the world won't have the problem men seem to have these days :p
  5. TdC

    TdC Trem's hunky sex love muffin Staff member Moderator

    hmm. tough call, as I know nothing about kids, but imo a 5yo is totally cool with knowing just the very basics of sex. to hazard a guess I'd say 7 or 8 is about the time when the girls should begin to know about other purposes for that thingy they have.

    still, I'm neither a father nor clued in to the latest didactic tech. subjects like this scare me somewhat oO
  6. pcg79

    pcg79 One of Freddy's beloved

    sounds a bit dodgy to me...
  7. .Wilier.

    .Wilier. One of Freddy's beloved

    I guess I have no problem with them knowing the mechanics of sex. How a baby is conceived etc and how its born, but I DO have problems with her knowing the pleasure side of it.

    At 5, she simply dosnt need to know.
  8. Brynn

    Brynn Can't get enough of FH

    Implying the pleasure side will spark the childrens interest in it.

    However if all they were told was about it being used to make a baby, they wouldn't be as interested.
  9. throdgrain

    throdgrain FH is my second home

    You're right, she doesnt need to know. As usual, pc bs gone mad :/
  10. jaba

    jaba Fledgling Freddie

    Im with you all on this, why do 5 year olds need to know about sex? they should be running around in the park having fun at that age. Way too young in my opinion. Im 22 and we had our sex ed probably when I was about 10/11 I think the basics then is a good idea....I've turned out normal(ish)
  11. Skyler

    Skyler Fledgling Freddie

    I'm with the 'doesn't need to know' group :)
  12. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

    I blame modern woman and women's magazines preaching to the female population that women have to be pleasured during sex - what's that all about?! ;)

    Perhaps they can mention the clitoris, but the "pleasure" part .. hmm, not too sure about that. Maybe to 16 year olds, because lets face it, they're gonna be having very long baths/showers at that age (ayyyye) or having a midnight diddle but 5 year olds? Something not right there.
  13. Sar

    Sar Part of the furniture

    Teaching 5 yr olds about self pleasure is a bit soon imo.

    More like 9 sounds about right-ish to me.

    My girl has just turned 7, and I certainly wouldn't like her to be told just yet about masturbation etc.

    That said, the mechanics of sex, I think should be taught fairly early, although again 5 might be a bit too early. About my daughter's age would be about right.

    And those of you taking offence at girls being taught about their clits, while ignoring the boys being taught about erections are being sexist imo.
  14. Trem

    Trem That there, that's not me. Moderator

    Not over sensitive at all imo. That is a bit much in all honesty.

    This is a reason why I'm glad I had a boy(although we were told we were having a girl), I would fucking well murder her first boyfriend :eek:
  15. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

    I met my current girlfriend (now 19) 1 week after her 16th birthday.

    I stayed in her bed the following week ;).
  16. Trem

    Trem That there, that's not me. Moderator

    Well, if I was her father you would be sleeping with the fishes the day after that :eek:
  17. leggy

    leggy Probably Scottish

    OMG that fucking rocks.

    If only we knew all this when we were younger. This way I wouldnt have the nickname "shitlay".

    On a more serious note. All of it appears acceptable. The "feels nice" was only put there (I assume) to assure the maturing adolescent that it isnt wrong to feel this way.

    Saying that I would aim it a little higher than 5. Possibly 9 or 10.
  18. Will

    Will /bin/su Staff member Moderator

    I had sex ed at 7. I think it was good to have the education so young, since I moved school, and they had it at 12. When you are younger, you learn without the immature jokes, since you're too young. So sex is totally normal.

    Which is a long-winded way of saying that I think this is a good thing, Wil. :)
  19. Uncle Sick

    Uncle Sick One of Freddy's beloved

    I remember sex ed in 5th grade... watching alot of very dry videos on egg and sperm cells (us Germans take a more scientific approach to the 'feels good' part, I guess;)) and my teacher being very blushy when it came to explaining the clitoris...

    Let the good times roll.. har har...

    Sheesh... my daughter will turn four in May and all she cares about is Spongebob and My Little Pony and I doubt this will change when she's five.

    I'm with Tom and the gang. Five is way too young for this kind of sex ed. Period.
  20. Ch3tan

    Ch3tan I aer teh win!!

    Sex ed was an ongoing lesson for 6 weeks or so when I was ten if I recall correctly.

    We had a sex ed specialist come in and answer questions -which as it was a group of boys, were failry inappropriate :)

    But they did go into a lot of detail and its better that way. Shocking the amount of people when I went to secondry school that had not had proper sex ed yet.
  21. Tenko

    Tenko Fledgling Freddie

    Well I've got a 4 year old daughter and a 7 year old lad and I'm a school guvna (that's how I right it on all official correspondance).

    I think that particular video shouldn't be shown to a 5 year old but would be acceptable for year 6 (10 years old basically).

    On the differences between the genders, birth etc I'm also with you that there's really nothing wrong with teaching that to children of any age so 5 would be fine.

    However I doubt that in my school the parents would agree, they'd push for a much later age especially with the various religions involved in my school plus the local background.

    But I might be pleasently surprised.
  22. Munkey

    Munkey Can't get enough of FH

    I never had sex-ed. Survived well enough I think.
  23. Tilda

    Tilda Moderator Moderator

    I think some of you are overreacting a little.
    I agree with Will.
    Its only a start to Sex ed. Ok, so they added in a pleasurable bit, thats hardly "Teaching" your little girl how to get her self off is it?
    I know it sounds early but seeing as how its hard to predict exactly when people will start hitting puberty, I think its probably better to get in there early so they have a clue what they're going through.
    I think that saying "Girls have a clitoris....sometimes it gets hard and feels nice" Is ok, I doubt they'ed go into much more detail than that until they are much older - ie 9/10 y/o.
    Just my oppinion, but I dont really see a problem with it, if you're happy enough with a 5 year old knowing he has a clitoris, I dont see a problem with hinting at its function, hell, at that age, if someone said I had a funny body part, i'd go home and ask my mum or dad what it did, how would you explain that? "Its the only part of the female body designed just for pleasure" ?


  24. FuzzyLogic

    FuzzyLogic Kicking squealing Gucci little piggy

    If you're happy enough knowing that your son has a clitoris i'd say you have bigger fish to fry than a sex ed video ;)
  25. tRoG

    tRoG Fledgling Freddie

    They carted our entire year group into a hall to watch a 20 minute long sex-ed video when I was about 12/13. All I can remember was that there was a very amusing cartoon penis.

    I'd say getting told the basics when 10ish would be about right. Telling 5 year olds that they can make themselves feel nice sounds a bit dodgy to me.
  26. leggy

    leggy Probably Scottish

    lol classic.

    *touches tilda's clitoris*
  27. old.Osy

    old.Osy No longer scrounging, still a bastard.

    I never had sex ed, and that didn't stop me from having a healthy sexual life.

    On to the point, 5 years old is way too young for that level of detail. They shouldn't have sex ed at this age. Im thinking 11+ would be ok for the "feels nice" part. Not earlier.
  28. tris-

    tris- Failed Geordie and Parmothief

    if im reading the post correct, the quote from the video doesnt say "you can make it hard and make it feel nice". which its not even taught in the video how to MAKE it feel nice

    tbh i dunno why it matters. first of all, lets say a girl all of a sudden had a hard clitoris and it felt nice, when she was 5-6. first off she will know what it is and not to worry and secondly she wont have this thought in her head from a young age that felling nice down there is wrong and she will goto hell and burn.

    do you really think that because the girls and boys know what things do, what they MAY feel like, that they will go round having sex? at 5 years old?!
    girls and boys at 5 years old cant even stand each other!
  29. Munkey

    Munkey Can't get enough of FH

    but after the video is shown there will be the urge to play "show me yours if i show you mine"

    Whilst they may not like each other, they are still curious....and curiosity killed the cat
  30. tris-

    tris- Failed Geordie and Parmothief

    which kids do anyway, without being provoked by a video.
    why the hell does it matter if they explore them selves (which i know i did wityh my friends before i seen any videos)? do you want to deny them the education of that?
    all this confinement to not knowing about each other may only lead to them being scared of any type of sexual experience and be made to think its not natural.

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