Rm: Dark , Supp or Rc ?

[Ekg]

Whats the best specc really ? many people was rc 47/ supp 26 but has now respecced to dark 47 / supp 26, quite many go 4 pure dark aswell. And even some go pure supp beacuse they whant the last pbt.

But..... Can all you runemasters say there opinion about ther specc. bad and good stuff...

 

[old.Attle]

If you want to lvl fast and get rvr groups 24/7 specc supp until you get 6 sec pbt. Everyone will love you. You might not do great dmg, but you'll get groups all the time.

 

[k9awya]

47 dark / 26 supp

 

[old.Lythande]

Depends on your style of play, if you want to be a bubble-bitch with small offence, but some nice spells like very strong nearsight and confusion(for those enchanter pets ) go full Supp, what you have to keep in mind which most ppl either don't know or don't think about is that the PBT radius is only 1250 units meaning if you try to stand back in a fight to actually nuke some targets most likely the tanks infront aren't getting the PBT anyway, or you could run into range and see how many tanks you can gather on your tail when they see you .

The 47dark/26Sup is a good spec for dmg-dealing while retaining the PBT however with cold resists seemingly capped or near cap on virtually every target I see in RvR you may take some serious (-xxx) dmg in RvR, you also get a castable dmg-add which altho it is specc is 3 DPS weaker than the Albion baseline dmg-add(yea, go figure yay Mythic melee realm my ass ).

The 47RC/26Supp is great for keep defense/offense giving you bolts(buggy as they may be they still can hurt other mages if they ever land) hard-hitting AE(4 sec cast time 1 sec slower than dark or supp but both dark and supp AEs are getting nerfed to 4 sec cast-time according to the RM TL) and GTAE which is about the best tool you can have especially agianst Hibbies with their cheesy 60% PBAE-caster population(I know I know, but it sure feels like it sometimes ).

Then we have the so-called Darkcarvers:

The most usual spec as I've gathered is 47RC/11Supp/24Dark, the theory behind this spec is that you use the 50% Cold-debuff in your RC-line and nuke with your baseline Darkness nuke, I haven't personally tried this spec so I can't say much about it, but since it's fairly popular in the US it's probably a very viable spec as you get to retain all the goodies for keep warfare and mage-killing(bolts) with a nuke that's supposed to hit for a pretty decent amount of damage, the downside as I have gathered is that you pretty much HAVE to land the debuff to be able to nuke for acceptable damage.

Then comes the 37RC/13Supp/37Dark spec, this is the spec I'm using, with this spec I get the the spec lvl 37 Bolt(still powerful enough to two-shot casters most of the time coupled with the baseline bolt) and the 30% Cold-debuff in the RC line. In the Darkness Line I get the spec lvl 37 Dark nuke and the Rune of Agony dmg-add(good if you don't have a skald and casting it on lowbies exping ). In Supp I get castable BT and the first Nearsight and Confuse. As I said this is the spec I'm using and I like it, sure I miss the PBT but mostly for PvE. This spec could be changed to 37Dark/16Supp/34Dark if you want the castable Group BT and don't mind losing the bolt. Another thing I've noticed with this spec is the mana efficieny, before respec I was the classic 47RC/26Supp RM, and after a fairly big fight I'd be pretty much OOP, nowadays I usually come out the other end after pretty much nonstop nuking with about 30-50% mana left (If I get out at all that is ).

So what it comes down to is what you like, do you want to help your group by killing faster or by slowing their death In RvR damage is king so I know what I like.

 

[Spike-]

Hi.

I'm relatively new to Midgard and I'm playing a Suppression Runemaster. This is because I play once a week with a group of friends and thought that speccing for the PBT would be a good group-oriented thing to do, so originally I decided to aim for 50 Suppression.

In light of the previous responses, my question is whether a spec like 44 Suppression (for the 6sec PBT) and then 31 Darkness would be any good?

44 Supp loses the top Confusion, top AE DD and top DD/snare, while 31 Dark gains the 5 dps damage add along with the other Darkness stuff.

I don't see this kind of spec mentioned anywhere, whenever anyone mentions going for the 6sec PBT they always seem to be 50 Suppression.

Is there a good reason to not go 44/31?

 

[Jiggs]

because you miss the top snare/dd

imo either go 26supp or 50supp and rest in runes

 

[k9awya]

DARKNESS

ffs. listen !

 

[stabba4]

I whouldnt go darkness tbh, theres a million dark rm:s out there that want the cold debuff (myself included) so as it is now i whould go 47rc and then either get the pbt or be a darkcarver. especially with SC in, altho ive heard many rm:s say that they dont like to debuff so i guess its not for everyone . you should also be aware that a 50% debuff doesnt mean 50% dmg increase, ive seen some people make that assumption too ^^.

 

[Jiggs]

darkness dont have the malevolent feel to it tho, like nearsighting some wizard so he cant even DD his own nose

 

[k9awya]

dont be FOOLS.

darkcarver sucks OFC.

dark rm with half supp has nearsight so wtf you on about anyway.

the debuff is like casted anyway tbh, so you could have cast a spec dd instead in that time, i reckon you do quicker dmg with spec dd then debuff + base

base dd kinda caps out at around 450 anyway, if it did 600 or so it could be worth it but nej :>

 

[old.Lythande]

Have you played an RM in RvR after patch 1.50 or so K9?

Or do you just enjoy hitting ppl for 220(-220) damage which will be pretty commonplace now that spellcrafting is in?

 

[Hatt]

FULL SUPP!!
Got a lvl 15 rm.. trixied a little today and found out that i could kill 4 blue at the same time with a little trouble tho but i did it

 

[Jiggs]

lythan speak the truth!!

cold damage sux

 

[jakobi]

I was going for the 47 dark/ 26 supp at first. At 40 I decided to respec to full suppression and I have never regretted it. I have the nice 6 sec pbt and although my nukes dont do as much dmg the snaring usually makes up for it. I'm pretty sure a redcon alb tank was pissed about being nuked to death by a green con caster last week. He never had a chance of getting close to me due to the snaring.

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by old.Lythande
Have you played an RM in RvR after patch 1.50 or so K9?

Or do you just enjoy hitting ppl for 220(-220) damage which will be pretty commonplace now that spellcrafting is in?

question is, HAVE YOU?

how would 26% make a 220 -220 ?

yes, the person you nuke is buffed, fool.

about sc, pre sc everyone caps cold, after sc the other dmg types get capped, so cold don't actually lose out.

and yes i played darkness rm 1.52 1.53 1.54 1.56 1.57 etc !

and still enjoy nuking for 495, unless ofc against buffed but then they have buffs on anything not just cold.

dont remember hitting for less than 350 much tbh, if ever.

lecture all you like but the rc nuke (baseline rofl!) and the sup nuke (baseline damage rofl!) won't out damage a spec nuke.

ps bolts suck

 

[Archeon]

I'm playing an RM at the moment, got him all worked out i do

1-24: Going Max RC, by the time i get to the BG with RC 24 i'l have the strongest AE DD midgard has to offer

24-36: Taking supp to 26 and darkness to 4 for PBT and the 1st dmg add

36-50: Re-maxing out RC to end up with 47 and the nice little uber bolt only missing out on one resist debuff.


so my final spec will eventually be 47:26:4 (Rune, Supp, Dark) i like the idea of being able to dump some nice damage down on people (especially other casters) but still having atleast the 10sec PBT so i don't have to tie myself down with spamming it every other cast

(i mean be honest, as un-mana efficient as it is a runie chain casting the group BT is effectivly a 6sec PBT untill he/she runs out of mana )

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by Archeon
I'm playing an RM at the moment, got him all worked out i do

1-24: Going Max RC, by the time i get to the BG with RC 24 i'l have the strongest AE DD midgard has to offer

fock the bgs..

go full supression before 20, a non sup runemaster is basically not worth grouping with.

but if you got fend and then group bt, makes leveling easy.

"room for lvl 15 rm?"

no

"room for lvl 15 fend rm?"

YES PLEASE

etc

 

[Hatt]

Originally posted by k9awya



fock the bgs..

go full supression before 20, a non sup runemaster is basically not worth grouping with.

but if you got fend and then group bt, makes leveling easy.

"room for lvl 15 rm?"

no

"room for lvl 15 fend rm?"

YES PLEASE

etc

:bazbeer:

 

[Release]

All depends on your play style, choose what you wanna be
But I would suggest going full Supp for lvling until 40, then respec out of it and start working towards your end spec, you will find getting groups a whole lot easier if your full supp.
I'm 47Dark / 26Supp myself and wouldnt go any other way, until now RC/Supp DD hasnt been too bad damage wise because its on a resist most people ignore, but with SC people will have most things maxed so the DD will be quite abit less damaging. Darkness however wont have this problem, since most people have max (or nearly maxed) Cold resist already it isnt as bad for us, oh and Darkness DD is the highest delve in game.

But at the end of the day choose what you want, RC is more keep defence, Darkness is good for killing quickly in close combat, Supp is mainly a way of defusing the enemy by having uber PBT/Nearsight/Snare DD.

 

[speshneeds]

i did as release said, played to 40 on full sup then specced back down to 26 supp and lobbed rest in Rc. I chose RC for the Ground target stuff (anyone who says its shit read http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=43882 )


Its damn good for keep defence and pretty good for taking a defended keep as it needs no LOS etc...

I am enjoying it at the mo, shame bolts are so buggy but is good when they land

 

[shilak]

Im going for the RC 47 / Supp 26 spec route purely because the resists on the enemy are lower on RC damage spells than darkness. Hibbies will have high resists in all departments, albs will have high Cold/Heat/Matter resists and somewhat lower Body/Spirit/Energy. Plus I love that indirect fire using GTAOE in keep defence/takes, will be even better when you can have spotters to position the ground target marker for you

 

[Garnet]

Darkness runie is the best in my opinion. When i was a RC runie i couldnt solo yellows hardly but now can preety much solo oranges. I hit level 50s for around 200 damage so im happy. Not bad for a level 39

 

[th0rden]

I got to 50 with my runie before respeccs were implemented, went 26 supp then full rc. At every level I could solo orange mobs, and at lvl 50 I can take reds, and PBT makes me useful in a group.
As for the RvR scene, bolts are amazing, nuff said. Fine they dont work on anybody carrying what looks like a shield, or wearing anything better than leather, or people in combat...but hitting a lvl 50 avalonian in the arse for 1k dmg as he runs away from your keep more than makes up for these faults More often than not I am the only means of taking out casters at long range, a valuable asset. GTAoE is just insane when you have 2/3 rc runies
Then you come onto the problem of resists. I hit most yellow invaders for 350 dmg. Sure you meet buffed squads like LA, but you're usually dead then so what does it matter if you hit them for less? I have 3 dark runies in my guild, so when we go to FS i end up being the debuffbot, not because I do no damage, simply because of the ridiculous amounts of dmg a debuffed dark DD can actually do.
I prefer to play a versatile spec, not going heavily for DDs or PBT, but being good at pretty much anything, but wasn't it Captain Planet who said 'The choice is yours'...maybe not.

 

[old.Lythande]

Originally posted by k9awya



question is, HAVE YOU?

how would 26% make a 220 -220 ?

yes, the person you nuke is buffed, fool.

about sc, pre sc everyone caps cold, after sc the other dmg types get capped, so cold don't actually lose out.

and yes i played darkness rm 1.52 1.53 1.54 1.56 1.57 etc !

and still enjoy nuking for 495, unless ofc against buffed but then they have buffs on anything not just cold.

dont remember hitting for less than 350 much tbh, if ever.

lecture all you like but the rc nuke (baseline rofl!) and the sup nuke (baseline damage rofl!) won't out damage a spec nuke.

ps bolts suck

1) Well, yes. Since the char listed in my sig is an RUNEMASTER.

2) Really? Not the ones I've met. Only a few had capped cold resists.

3) Good for you

4) Ok, guess you've never gone up against hibs with wardens or albs with a paladin then?

5) I'm using the lvl 37 dark spec nuke. Please direct me to the post I was advocationg the use of Baseline and/or Supp nukes.


Pre-patch I would usually hit lvl 50s for 450-567 dmg after debuff, but I fear the worst is yet to come after reading what the casters(not only RMs) are saying over in the US.

So don't call me a fool.

 

[stabba4]

i do more dmg as a darkcarver than i did as a darkness rm. about 1/3 rd more on a 30% cold resistant target, that per nuke tho it should be abit higher since the baselines cast at 2.6 speed and i wasnt at my hardcap before.

 

[Arnor]

bubble-bitch

Classic


Oh, and to the ones saying that RC-rms cant solo shit: With my mates RC-rm I 2hit yellows/oranges @ lvl 50 (dunno how it is on lower lvls, but that shit rocked)


Oh, and there is nothing sweeter than one-bolting casters in epic

 

[Jiggs]

Originally posted by old.Lythande

but I fear the worst is yet to come after reading what the casters(not only RMs) are saying over in the US.

thats where i play, on midgard/igraine, and being a caster is very hard times in 1.58

i just put up my bubble and hide inside trolls most of the time

i prefer my 50sup 20rune spec cos its more interesting, darkness is just nuker, you have less versatility. the 50snare/dd makes good damage round 400 with good levels of power and magery.

all the runies on igraine are either full supp or 47dark, _very_ few runecarvers about as far as i can see...

removing IP form assasins is a real nightmare cos all the assasin go for casters 100% of the time

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by old.Lythande


i am a fool

Well as i said, if you get -220 on that you are nuking a buffed person this has nothing to do with SC.

the rm I play is on usa

pre sc most players had more than 20% cold dont bs me on that one, whats another 6%? (in fact i knew more players that were closer to cap than that low :>)

why you using a lvl 37 nuke ?
dont comment on this shit if you only use a lvl 37 nuke?

this post isn't about "casters getting gimped from sc"

it's about WHICH RUNEMASTER IS THE BEST

RM is a DAMAGE DEALING CLASS

the damage on the darkness spec nukes are higher than the supression and runecarve nukes.

you do better damage as a darkness runemaster than any other runemaster, do we follow?

ok good, you still get a 10sec bub and nearsight.

got this part?

only thing i really need to argue is if a darkcarve is better

no it's not, no pbt or nearsight.

damage can be more per nuke but you waste time casting debuff in which time you could get a spec nuke off, and over the 15 secs i dont think you can make up that damage depending on the targets resists (baseline dark nuke is capped at like 470 or so)

doing only 100 or so damage more per nuke (on average) i dont think you will make it up before the target is dead (if someone had enoug hp's that you would the debuff would run out and you had to cast again, even more - damage)

 

[stabba4]

495 is my current cap, and on a caster a 47d rm prolly is the faster one, not by much tho as its either 2 or 3 nukes as a 47d rm (assuming he isnt buffed to the teeth ) and 2 or 3 as a darkcarver. so id guess it whould be 1.5 sec difference in timing, altho i whould open up with something that interrupts on a 2 sec cast time. the pbt is missed but NS had way too high resistrate to be that usefull. and i consider myself alot more usefull in a group that have a dark RM than my pbt ever was, and dark RM:s arent that rare .

 

[old.Lythande]

Originally posted by k9awya
Bunch of crap spewed as I obviously have no IDEA why someone would use the 37 spec nuke.

I'm all for dealing damage. Read my original post FOOL. You still haven't showed me advocating Suppression OR RC please provide a post made by me where I do this. Oh wait then maybe you actually have to THINK before you post.

Well, I'm through arguing with you, fool. Bye bye.