Riot sentencing

[Job]

I mean really, soundbites for the two week attention span generation, they will all be thrown out on appeal.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Got some added info for us "foreigners" you foreigner?

 

[Ormorof]

there was a riot?


(joke)

yep, and it will cost a fortune even if they do end up in prison (one guy got several months in jail for stealing a £3.50 pack of water bottles, what an idiot)

 

[BloodOmen]

Aye and cameron is going to milk this fucking riot for as many votes as he can then its back to business of bullshitting the public for another few years.

 

[Jiggs]

Got some added info for us "foreigners" you foreigner?

Try 4 years for inciting violence on facebook.

Personally I love it, if you can't do the time - don't do the crime and all that :england:

 

[old.Tohtori]

WAs just asking if there's some news to rabble about on the subject, or is this simply a "what do you think will happen" thread?

 

[Mabs]

theyre going to end up shooting themselves in the foot

justice groups saying the sentences are "too harsh"
4 years for incitement to riot .. no , not really

might make them think twice next time

 

[Zarjazz]

4 years? At first I was wtf?! But then I was f*ck yeah!

Seriously though, it's not that these sentences are too harsh. It's the fact that "normal" sentencing has been too lax for a long time now. So in comparison with the new strict rulings it all seems a bit skewed.

 

[Chilly]

The whole point of judges is to pick the exact sentence from the guidelines. In these cases, the judges are trying to send the strongest possible message to any future potential rioters that they will get completely fucked. So four years for some facebook spam - what do the arsonists and murderers get? 30 years? Hopefully.

 

[Mabs]

actually the whole "point" is to disuade them, and others, from doing whatever got them nicked in the first place

it isnt
ergo
it doesnt work

so , harsher sentences all round pls

 

[throdgrain]

Try 4 years for inciting violence on facebook.

Personally I love it, if you can't do the time - don't do the crime and all that :england:

Hell yeah

 

[Job]

Quite simply , we had a Conservative MP and a very polite QC on some telly program, she's like 'throw the book at them' and he's like 'That's just public opinion, the courts follow sentencing guidelines and politicians can't change them at whim, they will be kicked out on appeal'

He's right of course, though many of the six monther's (3 months actually) will have done the time before the appeal date, so it's compensation all around.
How funny will that be, here 2 grand sorry and you can keep the bottled water.

As he said if sentencing was based on public opinion it would be like the X-Factor.

 

[Mabs]

theres public opinion, ie "ask 20 people and take a %" and then there is an actual tidal change in public opinion

if its there, it should be observed and acted upon

 

[Job]

I couldn't agree more, but the reality is they will be turned around on appeal.
We do need stiffer sentencing a whole sea change, not just 'a bit longer'.
If you faced 10 years in jail for house burglary, we'd have a lot of people doing the time until it filtered down that it just doesn't pay, as it is we tolerate burglary.
Of course the problem is that criminals will just move to whatever crime has the biggest payback with the lowest risk.
The biggest crime in the country by a thousand fold is the bankers who threw all our money away, we could afford a riot every week, if they hadn't done that.

 

[Ormorof]

what they did wasnt illegal though, unethical and stupid - yes

 

[Mabs]

what they did wasnt illegal though, unethical and stupid - yes

sorry, what ?!

you talking about Arson, or Incitement to Riot ?

both of which are illegal afaik ?

 

[Ormorof]

i was responding to bankers pissing money up the wall not being illegal

the rioting was totally illegal

 

[Mabs]

ah lol ok

 

[Corran]

As long as the sentences fit within the rulings of what they are allowed to give then it doesnt matter, it up to the judge where within the guidelines to put it.

Personally I would give the maximise, just like the "incitement" ones... I would actually put them down under conspiracy to commit xxx as well as you can give major sentences for conspiracy crimes

6 months for the bottle of water... it not just plain theft though. Looting is another matter and then off course as it is England there many have things that can be thrown in such as trespass (cant do that in scotland unless can prove they were causing damage).

 

[Lamp]

4 years for incitement on facebook
2 years for beating up & robbing a policeman on his way home

consistency please!

 

[megadave]

What a joke. Joined this group last week and it's spot on.


Government should do something arbitrary and disproportionate about rioters | Facebook "

 

[eksdee]

actually the whole "point" is to disuade them, and others, from doing whatever got them nicked in the first place

it isnt
ergo
it doesnt work

so , harsher sentences all round pls

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying long sentences don't disuade people from comitting crime enough, so they should be made longer?

Isn't that about equal to the idea that if you stare at something long enough, you can control it with your mind?

If anything what happened with the riots is proof that the type of people that commited crimes during the riots are not afraid at all of being punished or simply don't care. Surely rehabilitation is what these people need, not simply 'punishment'. I'm aware that the idea of the prison system is to rehabilitate criminals, but I don't think it's really a shock to anyone that the widely-held opinion is that it, broadly speaking, isn't working as hoped/intended for the majority of criminals that end up in prison.

As for people getting four year sentences for 'inciting violence' on Facebook, I think it's a sad indictment of how out of touch our legal system is with the realities of the different cultures that make up our society, specifically the cultures represented in those that partook in the riots. Punished they no doubt should be for what they did, but considering (so far as I know) that what they posted on Facebook did not actually result in anything major (if anything at all), I fail to see how four years is a sentence proportional to the 'crime'.

 

[megadave]

Nothing at all happened from their "incitement" according to the press, they actually removed their comments after a matter of hours. However they did slightly frighten a few locals in to thinking something *might* happen, which is obviously much worse than all the people all over twitter making up lies about hundreds of rioters heading to X, Y or Z, forcing shops to close down and board up when in fact nobody was out at all.

 

[Lamp]

Personally, I don't care they're behind bars. Those toerags would have jumped for joy if the riot actually occured. Fuck em.

You took a bomb on an airplane? Well, it didn't go off. No worries. You're free to go

 

[Mabs]

Personally, I don't care they're behind bars. Those toerags would have jumped for joy if the riot actually occured. Fuck em.

You took a bomb on an airplane? Well, it didn't go off. No worries. You're free to go

exactly
going "lol it didnt happen so it didnt count" isnt really a defence

if they were prepared to do it, they should suffer the consequences

 

[Embattle]

Lots of assumptions. First and foremost is the fact that none of us were actually there in the courts so we probably don't know the full story and the media being the media will always jazz it up one way or another.

I also tend to view that those rioting and looting probably didn't expect this kind of crack down following it, even I wasn't that sure the police would actually want to possibly stoke the flames again.

The reality is that a lot of people will take the view that for once the system seems to be doing what they want instead of in the past when sentences have been rather pathetic for various crimes etc.

I personally don't have a problem with this in the short term and in these cases considering the overall chaos caused. I would like to see more long term solutions found and the sentencing system overhauled to make people more confident in the sentencing system and rehabilitation.

 

[Raven]

Some of them are just plain retarded and will get quashed on appeal, ice cream, bottles of water etc. On the whole though I approve.

Like someone said, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

 

[Ctuchik]

Or they were stupid enough to think no one would actually take it seriously.

Still doesn't matter though. They posted it in the first place.

 

[Tom]

Tough shit to the pair of them. Inciting people to go out and cause mayhem, and damage to others' property? Twats.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

London riots - (grapic) New Footage Shows Man Getting attacked and Scooter robbed. - YouTube

It isn't too long.