Request booking sheet for RR's? or some Albs speaking for the majority again?

[Driwen]

mids started the evening defending, finally succeeded in doing so and then went to albion to annoy the albs who were most likely attacking hibs. Succeeded in majorly pissing off the albs who came with a 200 man force to take back beno.
However in mean time the mids secured DF and had our keeps "safely" back, so alot of the mids went to DF/emain again. Now hibs/albs started taking our keeps again and we tried to defend them usually being either to late or outnumbered when afew got there. Till blendrake was under attack and we managed to hold off albs/hibs. From that moment I think mids possible got more and more people in the fight and the enemies became less every time (or atleast the balance was shifting fast). However if you are online and you are defending your own realm with a big force taking back the keeps isnt that much effort, even if you wasnt defending any relics.

Btw mids werent with little people there because we were sure you wouldnt go for the relics, but because you werent going for them yet. It was fights about keeps till we ended up loosing almost every keep and then we had gained enough people to defend. However if you had continued to take keeps and ended up on mjollnir there would have been most likely almost the whole realm there to defend it and even there when the last keep fell.
There have been enough keep fights around to know that most of them end up with alot of broken down doors, few golds spend on rams and a few rps gained. Some people dont like this and rather want to roam around in frontiers avoiding zergs, so they dont come to keep fights unless its needed to defend the relics.
It isnt the time that avoided the amount of mids from coming, it was the chance on it becoming a RR yet being to small yet to go into action.


And about mids doing an alarmclockraid when albs/hibs would take our str relics after continual fights at 5 am, you do tend to forget the fact that many of the mids had logged off because of getting nuked by necro's who they could not kill or even hurt, but could get easily killed by. That more than the relics being lost at 5 am caused the mids to do an early alarmclockraid. So I wouldnt join or approve of an alarmclockraid when we would lose the relics in the night after having continual fought over them. However I am just an average mid, but I am sure you cant compare the necro RR to what happened last night if that had become a real RR. As the only mids logged last night due to being tired/having to get up early instead off being pissed off at being able to fight (the idea is that you are relatively safe when the keep doors are up which you werent back then).

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Like I said - it wasn't worth the risk. By the time we'd have got the relic home it would have been 2am BST - 3am CET. There are definitely Mids who would have used an RR at that time to restart alarm clock raids (and you know who I'm thinking of )

All this because your worried what tin pot raid leader might do?.

Then the game has taken a very sad turn for the worse.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Look - to everyone saying "it's a 24/7 game", or "there should be more relic raids" or "taking relics at 1am isn't out of primetime" - just go ahead and do it if you want to. No one's going to stop you. But be warned there WILL be consequences that won't be good for your enjoyment of the game.

The "OOuu its too risky lets not do it" attitude, never won anybody any prizes...

What tootz said, stale and boring.

"No pain no gain", you'll hear that a lot in life, just not from the current GL's in Albion.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by quinthar
The "OOuu its too risky lets not do it" attitude, never won anybody any prizes...

What tootz said, stale and boring.

"No pain no gain", you'll hear that a lot in life, just not from the current GL's in Albion.

*shrug*

Like I said, if you're the big raid leader, do it.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by quinthar
I hope somebody breaks the moratorium and the boredom.

well get someone (or do it urself) to organise a relic raid on say saturday against the hibs or the mids start at 2pm and see how it goes. dont do a stealth raid or a logon raid and that will give the hibs/mids plenty of time to defend everone bring catapults, rams etc

 

[Gorbash]

i think we all agree that 'logon' raids are pointless and equally boring as not having a raid at all.

but i do believe that raids that start in the evening and carry on into the dead of the night should not be shunned by some 12pm cut-off time. the most fun ive EVER had playing this game has been on relic-raid epic type battles. its disappointing to see that these dont happen very often anymore. i remember that one raid by the albs against middy that started at like 9pm, and finished at something like 5 in the morning. now granted that 5pm is a bit late to finish, but my god, the fights we had, win or loose, made it all so much worth it.

by all means, shun and sneer at steath/logon raids, but please dont do so at raids that span over several hours... done the proper way! (i.e. take loadsa keeps, have great fights and finally attack the relic keep for the final curtain).

if time is the issue, then have some kinda cut-off time for STARTING raids (i.e. something like 10pm), i.e. 'hoorah, for we shall not start a raid since its so damned late and noone will really be out for it' as opposed to 'right, lets start a raid now that a good chunk of people dont know its gonna happen and are gonna go to thier bed soon'.

or maybe thats just introducing more predictability into the game.....

bah, i dunno all i want is some really big fights where both/all realms have fun

 

[Bleri McThrust]

I was under the impression that it was the "Alarm Clock raids" that everyone decided was just killing things.

I agreed with the idea, I didnt want any more getting up at 5am or staying up till 1am . And then expecting the same thing to happen to us the next week. Therefore Im not going to organise any guild groups to support such a thing.

However spontaneous raids in response to actions at the time are another thing entirely. If people have been taking keeps all night and want to continue on to the relic why not? The whole point about multi against single player is you cant predict the AI.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Pin

It's not particularly 'fun' for either side participating anyway in my opinion - give fighting!

Give relic keeps where there's a chance in hell of taking it once defenders get in

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Gorbash
i think we all agree that 'logon' raids are pointless and equally boring as not having a raid at all.

but i do believe that raids that start in the evening and carry on into the dead of the night should not be shunned by some 12pm cut-off time. the most fun ive EVER had playing this game has been on relic-raid epic type battles. its disappointing to see that these dont happen very often anymore. i remember that one raid by the albs against middy that started at like 9pm, and finished at something like 5 in the morning. now granted that 5pm is a bit late to finish, but my god, the fights we had, win or loose, made it all so much worth it.

I wasnt online in that period (as I had other things to do and necro's were abusing LOS in RvR so was rather boring to play), but if you mean the RR at march than if necro's hadnt been there I think most mids would have enjoyed it. However I doubt many mids actually enjoyed that RR, which was voiced by an early alarmclockraid done on albion.

Other than that most people agreed to that starting a RR at 2 am is kinda lame, but finishing one isnt. You are there already and you need your sleep just as much as the defenders do (allthough as attacker you can plan this slightly better offcourse) and it started at a time most of the defenders realm could have defended and keep on defending (making it around even numbers).

 

[old.Nol]

um

All it takes is a little planning, and I do mean a little, the last hib raid on midgard 1 month ago was done primtime @ 20:00 GMT.

For the record, Hibs have never relic raided off peak, we suffer from severe population loss in off peak hours having large number of people who work.

If the off peak relic ping pong happens, it will mostly be between albs and mids, because we just don't have the population to complete at the insanely early hours(no 2 fg's of tdmm will not get relics). If that happens, I think more and more Hibs would leave the game, and the other 2 realms would be left with a small husk of frontier that they happened to compete in, which I am sure all would agree is not good for the game.

I am glad that sanity prevailed, because we were busy taking keeps in middy frontiers at the same time, and I would hate to think we had anything to do with an off peak raid

 

[old.Nol]

I'm sorry, I just don't get why adhering to a Prime Time policy means you can't ever raid. There is ample time to organise and partake in a raid during normal hours.

It means no raiding in hours when the other realm cannot put up a defence, How could taking defencless keeps and kiling NPC's be epic for anyone? If it is, then maybe you need to petition GOA for a co-op server.

 

[old.Nol]

With regards to raids never happening, maybe they don't in Albion, but I can tell you that midgard rarely has any sleep with hibs around, we raid their frontier every day(prime time) and every day they defend.

We can't raid Albion every day, because you have no relics we can take yet. I have raided Alb and taken keeps, then we just sit around like farts because you don't come for retakes, the reason being that you know we can't take your relics.

 

[old.anubis]

Re: um

Originally posted by old.Nol
For the record, Hibs have never relic raided off peak, we suffer from severe population loss in off peak hours having large number of people who work.

yes, you did ^^

 

[old.Nol]

Re: Re: um

Originally posted by old.anubis
yes, you did ^^

When exaclty was that? The only particulalry shady raid we had is one after mids originally took our power relic at 5am(the first time), we went and got it back that same night, but even then it was after prolonged frontier battles. I really don't wanna turn this thread into a bitching session as I think it's warrants reading.

If you want to illustrate your grievances, then give times and places(in a new thread - because I won't answer them in this thread) of early morning raids, I think you'll find that only once ever has Hib taken an early morning relic, and that was in the aformentioned raid.

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

like Pin said it very much depends on how the situation develops: if there is heavy fighting and keep taking going on in a certain frontier the whole evening and it becoms obvious that the attacking realm might go for the relic then in my oppinion it is ok to attack at let's say 1 or 2 am.
If, however, the frontier is dead all evening, no keeps taken and suddenly at 2 am there is 150 enemies attacking the relic keep then I would consider this 'non-primetime'.
I think people should use their brains and figure out what a good situation (not necessarily time) for a relic raid is; and most people will agree that a relic raid with keep taking and long fights are funnier than just zerging the relic keep at some odd hour.
As for the lack of RR inactivity: tbh I would expect much more initiative from albs - they currently have the least relics and it should be rather easy for them to mount primetime raids due to the high population at these times.

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by old.Nol
When exaclty was that? The only particulalry shady raid we had is one after mids originally took our power relic at 5am(the first time), we went and got it back that same night, but even then it was after prolonged frontier battles. I really don't wanna turn this thread into a bitching session as I think it's warrants reading.

If you want to illustrate your grievances, then give times and places(in a new thread - because I won't answer them in this thread) of early morning raids, I think you'll find that only once ever has Hib taken an early morning relic, and that was in the aformentioned raid.

well, excuses excuses
who cares what was before?
you did it, admit it
also remember your 2 am raid just the day before patch with guards announcement (or was it just keep claiming, dont remember exactly), hardly primetime i would say
so stop saying you never done it ^^

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.anubis
well, excuses excuses
who cares what was before?
you did it, admit it
also remember your 2 am raid just the day before patch with guards announcement (or was it just keep claiming, dont remember exactly), hardly primetime i would say
so stop saying you never done it ^^

Whatever, you certainly do live in your own world, as I said, I am not going to discuss it in this thread as it warrants better attention, please don't turn it into another whine.

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by quinthar
w00t lets go get ourselves a relic

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Whatever, you certainly do live in your own world, as I said, I am not going to discuss it in this thread as it warrants better attention, please don't turn it into another whine.

i dont
just pointed that you were wrong

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.anubis
i dont
just pointed that you were wrong

here

 

[asorek]

It's a mutual sign of respect to get rid of all the 'he who can get up earliest has all relics' kind of stuff.
You'd get a constant switching of relics without opposition if you did late night raids, and they'd get later and later because you can point at the enemy and say 'well, they started'.

mmkay this is a FIGHTING game, we make WAR not peace...in real war he who strikes first gets the goodies..ffs im sick of this non RR shite in the small hours...i for one didnt sign upto that shit agreement..and tbh its fucking bullshit to hinder someone else's enjoyment of the game because YOU are a fat lazy bastard who cant get out of bed... bring on the Early RR's..i for one dont really care cos as soon as the major populace log on..its time to zerg them back... everyone wins.

 

[asorek]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Look - to everyone saying "it's a 24/7 game", or "there should be more relic raids" or "taking relics at 1am isn't out of primetime" - just go ahead and do it if you want to. No one's going to stop you. But be warned there WILL be consequences that won't be good for your enjoyment of the game.

who cares..omfg "consequences" yeah..and we take em back again moron its a game...thats the way it works.. dont try and tell people what to do..how can it hinder THEIR enjoyment of the game?? their doing what they enjoy..stealing YOUR relics... perhaps what you meant to say in the last line is this...

"But be Warned, there WILL be consequences that wont be good for MY game and i might cry alot..so all the play the game the way I want you to and ill be happy...WAJN. "

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by asorek
mmkay this is a FIGHTING game, we make WAR not peace...in real war he who strikes first gets the goodies..ffs im sick of this non RR shite in the small hours...i for one didnt sign upto that shit agreement..and tbh its fucking bullshit to hinder someone else's enjoyment of the game because YOU are a fat lazy bastard who cant get out of bed... bring on the Early RR's..i for one dont really care cos as soon as the major populace log on..its time to zerg them back... everyone wins.

Key word in your post is 'game'. It's a game and people are supposed to have fun playing it- I think everyone can agree a primetime raid is much more fun than doing it when there are no defenders.

You can't take a relic by zerging the keep like idiots, it requires planning and preparation... So, you need a leader or organise it, but who will want to lead raids if they know the relics wont be defended much anyway "because they'll do a morning raid to get em back"?

<shrug>

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by asorek
who cares..omfg "consequences" yeah..and we take em back again moron its a game...thats the way it works.. dont try and tell people what to do..how can it hinder THEIR enjoyment of the game?? their doing what they enjoy..stealing YOUR relics... perhaps what you meant to say in the last line is this...

"But be Warned, there WILL be consequences that wont be good for MY game and i might cry alot..so all the play the game the way I want you to and ill be happy...WAJN. "

Mate, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm not telling anyone what not to do. You want to start an early RR from Hib to Alb, go ahead. Really. It would make my day. It would be the funniest thing ever.

But of course, you won't - because you're all mouth. You wouldn't organise a relic raid, because you're a little sheep who comes to BW to act the Big Man. Did you roll an animist because you thought that bombers were a bit like planting the bomb in CounterStrike?

 

[asorek]

the point is a minority of people imposing rules on others.. like you said its a game about enjoying it, i for one do like Prime RR's.. but for some dude to sit there and say YOU CANNOT rr in the small whours is a bit lame cos well all whine at you..ffs thats dumb.. i used to works nights a hell of a lot so id sleep thru the day..i loved the early RR's when they happened cos i had things to do when skiving work..if someone wants to organize an Early RR then all credit to them, i cba doing raids anymore too many whiners... its just sad that some people wajn cos theyre too lazy to get out of bed and do something... or more like you said.. it takes planning to do a RR and they CBA to organise one so theyd rather you didnt RR unless they have XXX amount of mids/albs/hibs online so they know they WONT have to do one back.

shame.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by asorek
mmkay this is a FIGHTING game, we make WAR not peace...in real war he who strikes first gets the goodies..ffs im sick of this non RR shite in the small hours...i for one didnt sign upto that shit agreement..and tbh its fucking bullshit to hinder someone else's enjoyment of the game because YOU are a fat lazy bastard who cant get out of bed... bring on the Early RR's..i for one dont really care cos as soon as the major populace log on..its time to zerg them back... everyone wins.

No one is stoping you from doing anything, but please explain to us FAT lazy bastards how you plan on solo'ing the relic keep?

 

[asorek]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Mate, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm not telling anyone what not to do. You want to start an early RR from Hib to Alb, go ahead. Really. It would make my day. It would be the funniest thing ever.

But of course, you won't - because you're all mouth. You wouldn't organise a relic raid, because you're a little sheep who comes to BW to act the Big Man. Did you roll an animist because you thought that bombers were a bit like planting the bomb in CounterStrike?

haha actually i play Mid, 50 Skald, 50 warrior..that sig is old.

all mouth? STFU nob, ive led 4 RR's on Percival..dont think i need a dick like you who proably hasnt led himself to toilet without a FG of mates telling me what i can and cant do... but seeing as you seem so knowledgeable about Counter Strike..perhaps thats the best place for you to stay..and let the adults play their game.. mmkay?

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by asorek
the point is a minority of people imposing rules on others.. like you said its a game about enjoying it, i for one do like Prime RR's.. but for some dude to sit there and say YOU CANNOT rr in the small whours is a bit lame cos well all whine at you..ffs thats dumb.. i used to works nights a hell of a lot so id sleep thru the day..i loved the early RR's when they happened cos i had things to do when skiving work..if someone wants to organize an Early RR then all credit to them, i cba doing raids anymore too many whiners... its just sad that some people wajn cos theyre too lazy to get out of bed and do something... or more like you said.. it takes planning to do a RR and they CBA to organise one so theyd rather you didnt RR unless they have XXX amount of mids/albs/hibs online so they know they WONT have to do one back.

shame.

It's not a minority, the majority of the people that have raided with me in the past agreed that we do not want to set up a lame raid culture on this server(as can be attested by chat log's and screenshots), because the MAJORITY of us have to get up and work and can't be asked to defend at 3am. For your information, I am the FAT lazy bastard who tends to organise raids in Hib, so IMO you have no clue what you're talking about.

If RR's are so easy ahead and plan one, lets see how much of a majority you get for a non prime RR in Hib.

 

[asorek]

Originally posted by old.Nol
No one is stoping you from doing anything, but please explain to us FAT lazy bastards how you plan on solo'ing the relic keep?

i dont plan on solo'ing the relic keep..although its a nice idea...
i dont plan to run anymore RR's because people whine about PT agreements and other shit... which is fine if you agree to that ethos..i dont...i dont care..nor do i care if you care...

if i wanted a non prime time RR i can get 4-6fgs quite easily of people who would want to go...having played alot during the wee small hours you get to know a lot of people whilst farming you also speak to a lot of people and talk about stuff.. the general consensus is that RR's dont happen enough since this agreement came in....you do the math.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by asorek
haha actually i play Mid, 50 Skald, 50 warrior..that sig is old.

all mouth? STFU nob, ive led 4 RR's on Percival..dont think i need a dick like you who proably hasnt led himself to toilet without a FG of mates telling me what i can and cant do... but seeing as you seem so knowledgeable about Counter Strike..perhaps thats the best place for you to stay..and let the adults play their game.. mmkay?

lol, there are many things you can call Ardemel, but lazy is not one of them. I am truly pleased to find out you're not a hib, I was worried that someone left the gates open.