Relics back where it belongs!

[Chronictank]

>>FG = 8, now back to school for you lad.

For some people the self impossed standard of running as a fg means shit.
I`ll run with as many guildies/friends as i have who want to join with me for most parts. Sometimes that is more than a fg, sometimes it is less, by accident it might be 8 people, till someone else leaves or wants to join.

a guild group is not a fg (hehe, guess i learned that from TD )

What is the problem there?
A simple fgm roaming.
Jesus, get over it!
Regards, Glottis

 

[polza]

oh well, grats on taking the relics folks.

some points though..

- the tried and tested `mids and hibs can`t compete due to their numerical disadvantage` seems to have been swepped away in 12 hours. After all the whining of the last months about it, i almost came to believe it. Now we lost the relics the numbers of mids and hibs in rvr has doubled or so it seems.

- albion has a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to AE damage. it was bad before catacombs, it become worse with catacombs. it seems to me that EVERY focus using class in hibernia and midgard can spec in at least one line for AE damage. try get in a lordroom where it seems that 1 out of 3 (slightly overexagerated ofc) of the mids present can pbaoe without suffereing interupts or in a lord room where 2-3 bianshee can cover most of its surface and turning it into a killingzone where everything dies in 2 secs, if they pass the 2 or 3 pbaoe casters at the door that is.... uke:

oh well, i am stocking up on redbull and coffee for the next 12 hour + `no sleep till we bring home a relic` raid.

cyas.

try defendin when 1 zombie makes it hard enough is running around then albs charge at same time, ur basically perma interupted, thou for some reason albs dnt time charge at the same time as sendin zombies.

or try attack a lord room with ice wizzs and albs sendin zombie rezzs at u, works both ways.

u makin all this shit about redbull raids but never actually try was no attempts on hib relics till like magic some spanish guys take em at 4am then suddenly albs rule r mighty relic takers, i cant rmb the last time albs opened a rleic g8 im prime time, i only know 2 times for hibs and that was few days after NF patch and 4am by spanish guys (correct me if im wrong).

 

[Calo]

umm... last I checked albs didn't have >50% of the server population. If hibs and mids both attack then there will be more of them than there are albs.

Last time we had any stats worth using it was approximately 37% albs for rvr active people... (though when we had 6 relics it's quite possible that glory hunters moving to alb and low morale on the other realms would change that %age)

I wish aoe mezz killed people then we'd do really well... aoe damage is what kills things in siege and albion sorely lacks it.

well they could give albs a pbae class but dunno, if you're gonna outnumber us in keeps with pbae chars + heretics its just completly fucked up and no mid/hib on earth should even try to take an alb keep then. So yea, maybe a tuned down sm would be nice for you. nothing more.

and give mids a petspamming class, like theurs, who can stun u

 

[Lothandar]

Only way Mids could ever take relics, is reading when Eggy's ml raid would be.
Enjoy them fo 4 days, 200 Albs could not be arsed to leave the ml raid
Regards, Glottis

Your power is overflowing !

 

[anioal]

Stay of the drugs if you cannot handle them matey...
Bit odd that is it widely known and accepted that Hib and Mids classes are better suited for rvr, yet you manage to state that a lot of Albs is better than than an equal number of Hibs/Mids...
If 1 Hib is equal to 1.5Alb class then 30 Hibs will be better than 30 Albs...
Regards, Glottis

learn to read and while you doin' that reread what i posted. in case you will fail this i will try to explain for you and for your friend elbeek:
this was not about running opted rvr groups but about mass rvr aka zergs and in zergs no hibs run the perfect grp with bard/warden/2x druid and a nice complement of dmg dealers, all of them with perfect templates and rr6+

btw, film... stop bullshiting, cc wins most of the fights and you know better than me that sorc is more than able to kill too

 

[Flimgoblin]

btw, film... stop bullshiting, cc wins most of the fights and you know better than me that sorc is more than able to kill too

bolt range mezz was slaughtering those warlocks in the lord room the other day!

they didn't stand a chance!

/wakes up.

 

[Shagrat]

I can't believe some people are still saying we planned this to coincide with the ML raid, I bet they're the same people that have their game passwords stored in Hotmail because there's so much bone in their head there's no soft matter left........

As I stated ages ago in this epic of a thread, I had no idea the albs were ml'ing I've got better things to be doing with my time than reading the forums for realms I have no interest in, we took a few keeps no albs turned up so we took advantage, we were half way through the first relic keep before someone mentioned the ml run in /bc......

master levels are rubbish anyway, dont think im past ml4 on any of my chars yet

 

[Malcolm]

i cant rmb the last time albs opened a rleic g8 im prime time,

Hmmm happened a few times recently actually, no relics to go for but we did open the gates for our realm mission.

 

[polza]

Hmmm happened a few times recently actually, no relics to go but we did open the gates for our realm mission.

hmm i was meaning worthwhile times, y would any1 in hib bother defendin a relic g8 with no relics behind it unless u wanan farm some rps.

 

[Honza]

Well, I really don't know whether mids knew about Eggy's raid. Sincerely doubt noone of them would know about it.

Albs made grave mistake with not stopping ML rush for hour - full BG would wipe frontiers clean and after that mids and hibs wouldn't prolly have enough mood and people to start their campaign again. The punishment in form of lost relics was really in place.

What really pissed me off though were hibs - not that I couldn't understand they took possibility with all effort, but still it seems to me a bit lame to further attack the weakened one. It's kinda behaviour of parasites, but well, it's war between realms, it is.

You say 'make primetime raids'... that's really nice idea... but let's count... If I summon zerg for let's say 8pm, mids/hibs will know it soon enough to build up counter-zerg. If albs still have enough numbers, how long can take conquering heavily defended keep? I'd say about 4 hours... due to midnight some of defenders log off (more likely more defenders than attackers cause defenders are pissed off losing their little precious ;-) ).. so next keep takes 2 hours and 3rd one about hour... that's 3am and I am not counting with need of keeping all 3 keeps in alb hands to open relic gate. If PRIMETIME summoned zerg gets relic about 4am (which is commonly called alarm clock), it's good outcome.

Another problem is lagging... in times of simple graphics people had much more sufficient computers than they tend to have nowadays - for many players it's almost impossible to play when there is fight among more than 40 players nowadays - no doubt many of them rather choose less frequent times for keepfighting/RRs.

So, I guess we'll be vitnessing much more non-prime time raids... due to extreme time consumptions and due to extreme lags...

Let me give you example - when mids attacked Renaris, my group (of 7)was able to hold whole mid zerg for almost a hour (ofc few more albs came during that time but I really don't know how many - about 5 I'd say)... thanks to my bad guess mids attacking gates were not constantly bombarded by 2 oils and 2 fire catapults (I've placed catapult too close to the gate), but even with 2 oils and 2 palints we hold mid zerg for a decent time. Now imagine if there were 3 alb groups and let's say about 6-8 catapults aimed at gate or wall hole.. you could spend hours there without being able to get into courtyard...

Defenders always need much less numbers to be able to crush attackers - it's logical and it's right - what else would the keeps be for... Imho successfull offender needs at least about twice more people than defenders have.

my few cents

 

[polza]

What really pissed me off though were hibs - not that I couldn't understand they took possibility with all effort, but still it seems to me a bit lame to further attack the weakened one. It's kinda behaviour of parasites, but well, it's war between realms, it is.

lol so we should have attacked mids the realm with 0 relics rather than also attack alb the realm which at the time had 6 relics, both hib 1s (cnt rmb mid relic takes) being taken at 4am by some spanish guild, and when we took mid str relic spanish guild again turned up at 4am, and basically not attack the realm who had been runing around zergin eveerythin hittin for stupid dmg.

hey atleast u didnt ask us not to attack when ur doin pve

 

[Mastade]

Saying its lame that hibs took advantage of mids attacking alb is utter bullshit imo. Especially when it comes from a realm that has done so many none-primetime relic raids i lost count. Albs would have done the same if they had the opportunity.

 

[illu]

If Albs wanted to have all the relics back, everyone knows they could take them back with ease :/ They outnumber Mids+Hibs by lots, and the next time some Alb says "you know what, lets go get some relics", I guarantee they just steamroll across Midland and Hibland and get them, primetime or not (more likely not primetime ).

I am happy for a little bit having our str relic back, but I don't expect to have it for very long at all.

And hopefully this will temporarily stop me being PA'd by Denal while I was moving for 1296......!

/nerf Albs :>
/nerf Casters :>
/nerf Bainshees :>

Oli - Illu

 

[Sinus]

Hmmmmm LOL ! ! ! ! ! !


i havent noted any diffrent in my dmg on rm with 1 relic =/

 

[Honza]

Hmmmmm LOL ! ! ! ! ! !


i havent noted any diffrent in my dmg on rm with 1 relic =/

erm, you need two to get bonus ;p

 

[Gear]

And hopefully this will temporarily stop me being PA'd by Denal while I was moving for 1296......!

OMG, Denal landed a PA?

 

[Influenza]

You need your own and an enemy relic of the same kind to get any bonus , its 10% per enemy relic iirc

 

[Icebreaker]

What really pissed me off though were hibs - not that I couldn't understand they took possibility with all effort, but still it seems to me a bit lame to further attack the weakened one. It's kinda behaviour of parasites, but well, it's war between realms, it is.

We have 3 Realms. And if one decides to attack another the other Realm goes there aswell.Why? Because there is the Action. If Hibernia would have all Relics and Midgard gonna attack us then Albion would come aswell to get their or more Relics. And Midgard would do the same. I haven't seen one Relic Raid in the history of Daoc where one Realm didn't do anything while the other two were fighting over Relics. Apart from the 5am Raids

 

[Fenderon]

erm, you need two to get bonus ;p

and we have two.. ours and albs power relic so we get 10%
..hibs get +10% strength for having their own and albs strength relic..
and albs get absolutely nothing for having hibs powerrelic

 

[elbeek]

God are you lot still stroking? Tell me, how much vaseline have you used so far?

 

[Malcolm]

hmm i was meaning worthwhile times, y would any1 in hib bother defendin a relic g8 with no relics behind it unless u wanan farm some rps.

Gaining RPS is not a worthwhile pursuit?

 

[Mabs]

you take something from someone, they probably want to get it back at some point
you take relics from both the other realms, then complain when they both take them back at same time ? dont be so greedy in future then


and from what i saw it wasnt deliberate co-operation, more co-operation through non-hinderance. when we went to Ren, we went wide round bold to make sure we didnt interfere with the hibs raid, if they are pinning albs, less for us at Ren, common sense, you dont need a x-realmer to know that.

 

[Flimgoblin]

If Albs wanted to have all the relics back, everyone knows they could take them back with ease :/ They outnumber Mids+Hibs by lots, and the next time some Alb says "you know what, lets go get some relics", I guarantee they just steamroll across Midland and Hibland and get them, primetime or not (more likely not primetime ).

we can outnumber them one at a time - but the thing is you don't need as many defenders as attackers to hold off an attacking force.

It's especially obvious in the hib case with shrooms, but unless you are massively outnumbered the defender will have the upper hand. The way to win a siege is to get there before too many enemies get inside and take the place down quickly - if too many get in you die at the lord room or get chased off the walls. The other way is attrition - bomb the walls down and hope enough enemies get bored/leave the safety of the keep and die that you can get in.

I don't quite see how the alb population (could be as much as 40% of the server!) can outnumber "by lots" the other two realms individually we might be bigger but we're certainly nowhere near double either of the other two realms. It's an advantage but stop trying to cry "omg the alb zerg of 90% server population will squish us all!"

At any one point in time there might be more than double the albs out in RvR than hibs - but that's just down to the number of active people in RvR, by that rationale hibs are overpopulated since they had just under double the amount attacking on sunday as there were albs defending

(and what's with the whining about both realms attacking? we had all the relics - was obviously going to happen.)

 

[Calo]

we can outnumber them one at a time - but the thing is you don't need as many defenders as attackers to hold off an attacking force.

It's especially obvious in the hib case with shrooms, but unless you are massively outnumbered the defender will have the upper hand. The way to win a siege is to get there before too many enemies get inside and take the place down quickly - if too many get in you die at the lord room or get chased off the walls. The other way is attrition - bomb the walls down and hope enough enemies get bored/leave the safety of the keep and die that you can get in.

I don't quite see how the alb population (could be as much as 40% of the server!) can outnumber "by lots" the other two realms individually we might be bigger but we're certainly nowhere near double either of the other two realms. It's an advantage but stop trying to cry "omg the alb zerg of 90% server population will squish us all!"

At any one point in time there might be more than double the albs out in RvR than hibs - but that's just down to the number of active people in RvR, by that rationale hibs are overpopulated since they had just under double the amount attacking on sunday as there were albs defending

(and what's with the whining about both realms attacking? we had all the relics - was obviously going to happen.)

Most keepfights u win is not because u outnumber us in the keep itself, its because after a while more and more mids start to log, same as albs but u can figure it out that eventually albs will get the upperhand. They just have more players in general so they can keep sending lots to different places. Usually its already 2.00AM and perhaps thats the reason why albs took many relics in the "night".

Well, thats my idea anyway

 

[Phule_Gubben]

what has the world come to?

when will albs stop complaining that people do RR when they want to and not when albs think they are allowed to.

Some really low excuses from well known players who I thought had some form of respect for others but no. Same story all over again, yadda yadda, wajn wajn..

Yuou had the numbers to defend, you chose not to defend, what happens? Well now you know, so stop being so immature and stop making up more horrible excuses for something you could have stopped.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Most keepfights u win is not because u outnumber us in the keep itself, its because after a while more and more mids start to log, same as albs but u can figure it out that eventually albs will get the upperhand. They just have more players in general so they can keep sending lots to different places. Usually its already 2.00AM and perhaps thats the reason why albs took many relics in the "night".

Well, thats my idea anyway

attrition works in two ways - first way the people that can't do an awful lot from inside the keep get bored and leave.

Second way, people die in an unressable place, have to release and come back - a lot might just say "sodit going to bed".

Attrition speeds up on both sides as it gets later - morale will have a huge effect on it though. If you have someone leading the attack/defence and giving people things to do I think it probably makes a big difference. Attacks are more likely to have an organised leader than a defence, so attrition is usually worse on the defence.